Netflix to stream new documentary on Steven Avery - #5

[Sustained]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFnDaMkikg

Newly posted raw video interview of SA in Crivitz from 2005:

I swear in every video I have seen of this guy, he seems to be the only one who is consistent in his story and comes across as totally believable. Unlike EVERYONE on the opposite side of this case.

Agreed ... and SA says in the interview that if the RAV4 had been back there during the week, one of his family members would've seen it as that's where the "old" stuff was.

 

[missy1974]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFnDaMkikg

Newly posted raw video interview of SA in Crivitz from 2005:

I swear in every video I have seen of this guy, he seems to be the only one who is consistent in his story and comes across as totally believable. Unlike EVERYONE on the opposite side of this case.

I thought it was interesting that he said the county is trying to run them out of business, contracts for abandoned cars, they get all the junk now, ... there could be an accident down the road and they would call somebody else. Wonder what tow company that would be???? "they wanna do something with the junk yard"

bbm in my own paragraph: Look at the damage to TH's RAV4. Did that happen down the road?

 

[LifeCitizen]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFnDaMkikg

Newly posted raw video interview of SA in Crivitz from 2005:

I swear in every video I have seen of this guy, he seems to be the only one who is consistent in his story and comes across as totally believable. Unlike EVERYONE on the opposite side of this case.

Thanks for that.

And I agree.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Thanks for your opinion.

Do you really think SA would hide the car in plain sight as he did when he could have disposed of the car quite easily off Avery property and also
disconnect the battery, preventing him from moving it in the short-term after 10/31 ? Do you really think he would have brought the key into his house, knowing it might well be found ?

Don't you think the ONLY car in a row with a car hood and branches obscuring the car would cause suspicion among his family members ?

Take the car off the property and risk the chance of someone seeing him driving it???

Cause suspicion among his family members?? He knew they were leaving--he only had to hid it until they were gone.

 

[Sustained]

Take the car off the property and risk the chance of someone seeing him driving it???

Cause suspicion among his family members?? He knew they were leaving--he only had to hid it until they were gone.

At 2 or 3 am in the morning in a rural area like where the Averys lived ? No worries about that ... who could see his face at night on
a dark road anyways ?

And not all of the family members went up to Crivitz - Earl was still down running the business & Barb/Bobby were still around as well.

 

[missy1974]

Take the car off the property and risk the chance of someone seeing him driving it???

Cause suspicion among his family members?? He knew they were leaving--he only had to hid it until they were gone.

They weren't "going" without him though... his mom and I think Blaine went with him to the cabin, and IIRC this was a planned trip (his Dad went every Thurs-Tues) And Earl didn't even go because someone had to stay back and run the business and Barb and Bobby didn't go either, they were still at home too. So when exactly was he going to get "rid" of that vehicle when his family wasn't there?

Not only the above.... but if he parked it there on Monday, he had no idea it would take 3 friggen days to report her missing by family/friends. He had 3 days to "get rid of it" and didn't.

 

[missy1974]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8l9NvJzn34&feature=youtu.be

here is another RAW interview with SA.

 

[missy1974]

I shared this the other day.... he had 3 days from the time she went missing until Colborn went to his place to talk to him after Wiegert asked him too. 3 DAYS... and this is the best he could come up with to "hide" the evidence.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

They weren't "going" without him though... his mom and I think Blaine went with him to the cabin, and IIRC this was a planned trip (his Dad went every Thurs-Tues) And Earl didn't even go because someone had to stay back and run the business and Barb and Bobby didn't go either, they were still at home too. So when exactly was he going to get "rid" of that vehicle when his family wasn't there?

Not only the above.... but if he parked it there on Monday, he had no idea it would take 3 friggen days to report her missing by family/friends. He had 3 days to "get rid of it" and didn't.

He knew Bobby worked nights--started at 10:00pm--and Barb would probably be staying at ST''s.

Ok--I'm sooo confused--it has been reported that Earl lived on the property--but a news article from 2006 states he lived in nearby Melnick. If that is the case, then Earl would not have been there at night either, leaving SA to do as he pleased.

The next day, November 9, after visiting his daughter in Two Rivers, Avery drove to his brother Earl’s house in nearby Melnick. A car was parked in the driveway, and behind the wheel sat a special agent with the state’s Division of Criminal Investigations, along with a Calumet County sheriff’s detective.

http://www.milwaukeemag.com/2006/05/01/blood-simple/

Melnik is an unincorporated community located in the town of Gibson, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin, United States. Melnik is 5.2 miles (8.4 km) west of Mishicot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melnik,_Wisconsin

 

[Sustained]

He knew Bobby worked nights--started at 10:00pm--and Barb would probably be staying at ST''s.

Ok--I'm sooo confused--it has been reported that Earl lived on the property--but a news article from 2006 states he lived in nearby Melnick. If that is the case, then Earl would not have been there at night either, leaving SA to do as he pleased.

The next day, November 9, after visiting his daughter in Two Rivers, Avery drove to his brother Earl’s house in nearby Melnick. A car was parked in the driveway, and behind the wheel sat a special agent with the state’s Division of Criminal Investigations, along with a Calumet County sheriff’s detective.

http://www.milwaukeemag.com/2006/05/01/blood-simple/

Melnik is an unincorporated community located in the town of Gibson, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin, United States. Melnik is 5.2 miles (8.4 km) west of Mishicot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melnik,_Wisconsin

You're assuming SA knew Bobby's schedule that particular week and also whether Barb would for sure head for ST's house. It's also a huge assumption to think the crusher could be run at night if the lighting out by the pit was poor or non-existent.

 

[missy1974]

You're assuming SA knew Bobby's schedule that particular week and also whether Barb would for sure head for ST's house. It's also a huge assumption to think the crusher could be run at night if the lighting out by the pit was poor or non-existent.

Bobby was not working, he was with his friend and showed up at the scene around 1pm and wanted his puppy. Not sure when he left.

BCA, Earl didn't live there. Steve, Barb and her 3 kids (sometimes 4), Charles and the parents lived there. His Mom and Blaine (or maybe it was Brendan) went with Steve, in Steve's car, to the cabin. If Steve was planning on doing anything.... why did he plan on taking them up there Saturday morning? And again.... he had no way of knowing that he would have days to "deal" with the vehicle. It's not logical at all that he hid it there until he could deal with it IMO

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Bobby was not working, he was with his friend and showed up at the scene around 1pm and wanted his puppy. Not sure when he left.

BCA, Earl didn't live there. Steve, Barb and her 3 kids (sometimes 4), Charles and the parents lived there. His Mom and Blaine (or maybe it was Brendan) went with Steve, in Steve's car, to the cabin. If Steve was planning on doing anything.... why did he plan on taking them up there Saturday morning? And again.... he had no way of knowing that he would have days to "deal" with the vehicle. It's not logical at all that he hid it there until he could deal with it IMO

He was not working on Oct 31st, but that doesn't mean he didn't go to work all week....and who is to say that SA planned to go with his mom earlier in the week--that could have been a spur of the moment decision on Wednesday or Thursday?

Who is to say that his intention was to crush the vehicle and if he couldn't have the right opportunity to do it and someone found it--he would just claim he was being framed again.

Also, he may have thought all of his family members would not allow LE on the property to search without a warrant--as the family probably hated LE for what they did to SA for the PB rape.

 

[Jaiddie]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/politics/fbi-georgia-correctional-drug-trafficking/index.html

For all those stating that there's no way LE could or would pull off something like this (the frame job), here is an article about a drug trafficking ring that went down in Georgia:

"The FBI arrested 46 current and former correction officers in a sting at nine facilities around Georgia, as a result of a two-year undercover operation went down early Thursday with raids by FBI at the prisons."

http://trofire.com/2016/02/11/43-georgia-prison-guards-indicted-on-bribery-drug-trafficking-charges/

Here is another article as the previous clip doesn't seem to have went through:

http://trofire.com/2016/02/11/43-georgia-prison-guards-indicted-on-bribery-drug-trafficking-charges/

Edit: included more information.

 

[Jaiddie]

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/...or-year-for-yelling-obscenities-in-courtroom/

I apologize for going on a posting binge but some of the stuff that I am reading tonight is making me so ANGRY!!!!! This article will make you want to throw your computer/phone/etc...even more than MaM did, but it underlines the fact that judges can be very corrupt too. There HAS to come a day where this kind of stuff is no longer allowed to happen!!!

 

[pleasestandby]

I think the blood on the bullet could have been swabbed on the bullet just as easily as the blood could have been planted in the vehicle, especially in light of the fact the bullet and casings weren't found on the first search. Those casings were pretty scattered based on those big yellow black number signs. Did SA go to each of those odd locations in the garage just to fire a bullet into TH from those different angles? For all we know that bullet fragment and those casings could have been planted or were laying there for years.

I had read, I think, one of Blaine's statements, where he said no one shot their weapons on the property, everyone went up to Crivitz to sight and shoot their weapons, yet here on the day of TH's disappearance, somebody shows up unannounced to go shoot rabbits with AD. At dusk. For ten minutes. On the golf cart that was hit on by a cadaver dog.

Correction: I meant to say EA, not AD.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

They weren't "going" without him though... his mom and I think Blaine went with him to the cabin, and IIRC this was a planned trip (his Dad went every Thurs-Tues) And Earl didn't even go because someone had to stay back and run the business and Barb and Bobby didn't go either, they were still at home too. So when exactly was he going to get "rid" of that vehicle when his family wasn't there?

Not only the above.... but if he parked it there on Monday, he had no idea it would take 3 friggen days to report her missing by family/friends. He had 3 days to "get rid of it" and didn't.

Chuck and Brendan left on Friday to go to the cabin...per SA's interview with Marinette County....

 

[BigCityAccountant]

At 2 or 3 am in the morning in a rural area like where the Averys lived ? No worries about that ... who could see his face at night on
a dark road anyways ?

And not all of the family members went up to Crivitz - Earl was still down running the business & Barb/Bobby were still around as well.

Bars and the casino in Green Bay are hopping at that time of the morning....

 

[BigCityAccountant]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFnDaMkikg

Newly posted raw video interview of SA in Crivitz from 2005:

I swear in every video I have seen of this guy, he seems to be the only one who is consistent in his story and comes across as totally believable. Unlike EVERYONE on the opposite side of this case.

Is that a "healing" bite mark on his left forearm? To me it looks like if he had his arm wrapped around TH with the inner part of the arm facing her face, that could be the 2 lower canines and the skin is raised above that....

 

[Limaes]

IMO, he had plenty of choices. He could have taken the car anywhere off Avery property under the cover of darkness with TH's body inside. He could have driven it into any one of a multitude of ponds/lakes in Northern WI and LE might have never found it or her. SA was a fisherman and most likely knew just the right spot to take the RAV4 and dump it.

I would think even a man with a supposed IQ of 70 wouldn't be as stupid as to leave a vehicle with his DNA/blood/whatever on HIS OWN PROPERTY knowing that LE would eventually find out that TH had visited him on 10/31.

Teresa's body was the biggest piece of evidence against her killer. He wasn't going to take the risk of finding his DNA all over her. That is why she was cremated (to put it nicely). I do think though that he did have a back up plan for getting rid of the car and thats why he kept a key.

 

[Limaes]

I feel bad for Theresa's family, too. Imagine sitting there while the prosecution makes you sit through a fabricated, elaborately gory version of your daughter's death that they were never able to prove. I just can't imagine.

I can't imagine being the mom of a mentally impaired 16 year old boy & having to listen to him describe so many different versions of a grisly crime, watching him struggle to answer questions correctly rather than truthfully, to watch your son confess to murder then ask when he can go back to school to finish his work.. Must be painful as well.

Every single person involved in this case is a human being. Even if you don't think Branden was coerced or is innocent, Barb is still a mother who lost her son, in my opinion, just in a different way. She didn't kill Teresa & her pain is still real. Nobody here that I have seen has ever been dismissive of the Halbach's pain or the incredibly unfair loss that they have experienced and continue to experience. We can be empathetic to all of the different versions of pain caused by this case. All my opinion of course.

And there is only one person involved in this case who was brutally murdered. That is no fabrication! Her family don't get to listen to her saying anything anymore. There is no comparison.