Canada, Greenland, Mexico, etc - USA Tariffs / Trade War commencing March 2025 #5

[Mo Thuairim]

The UK is offering the EU a “new strategic partnership” aimed at bolstering trade and presenting a united European front when Donald Trump is threatening to upend decades of transatlantic alignment.

A draft declaration being drawn up by London and Brussels ahead of a UK-EU summit on 19 May points to a “common understanding” on a number of shared interests.

[...]

“We confirmed our shared principles of maintaining global economic stability and our mutual commitment to free and open trade,” the draft noted. It added that the sides would continue working “on how we can mitigate the impact of fluctuations in the global economic order”.

However, the summit comes as the UK continues tariff negotiations with the US in the hope of carving out a special deal. Britain is facing a 10% tariff, while the EU faces 20%.

Ahead of a meeting with the UK prime minister, Keir Starmer, last week, the leader of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, called for a drive to unlock investment for renewables in the North Sea.

“We are friends. And we are Europeans. It means that we share interests and democratic values. And that we are ready to face global challenges as like-minded partners,” von der Leyen said after their meeting.

[...]

UK offers EU strategic partnership to boost trade and security

Officials draft declaration to help tackle ‘fluctuations’ in world economy

www.theguardian.com

 

[NuttMegg]

I understand that some want to separate Donald Trump from the election results, and from the USA Federal Government ... to place the current economic mess at Donald's feet. I find that difficult to do.

When Justin Trudeau was Prime Minister, my experience is that no one in the USA had any difficulty labelling Canada as a "liberal" country with a "woke" population. I did not hear anyone in the USA acknowledge that Trudeau had a minority government, or that the government was split between two parties, with a third party used to form a coalition government.

Even today, it is a common statement in the USA that if Canada was a 51st state, Canadians would vote Democrat. The elected Liberal Party policy in Canada was, and is, used to label every single Canadian regardless of the almost 50% Conservative Party vote during the last election.

Today, Canadians view the elected USA President as representative of the USA Federal Government and the USA People. It's not easy to separate Donald from the government and the people ... especially since he was elected twice.

When the USA stops calling Canadians "mini-Democrats", stops claiming that as a USA state we would be "Democrats", then Canadians can reconsider viewing USA as Republicans endorsing their elected government decisions.

Well, I haven't heard any Amercans in real life saying any of that off the internet blogs. Please don't forget that both the 2016 and 2024 elections were trump against women candidates. And that in 2016 he lost the popular vote, and in 2024 he won it by just 1.5%. I agree with you on many things, but in this case you make use of such all-inclusive descriptions of what Americans think. I wish you would reconsider and use a finer brush.

 

[Stunned]

I don't disagree with any of your main points, but may I politely point out once again:

it is NOT the USA as a whole.

It's the self-proclaimed stable genius elected to the White House and his minions.

I really appreciate it when you say the US government, which I believe you can abbreviate USGOV, in place of the USA, because we are far from united in backing this.

China is gonna kick the stable geniuses azz and the ones who said NO WILL GO down with him.

 

[LoveyG]

I understand that some want to separate Donald Trump from the election results, and from the USA Federal Government ... to place the current economic mess at Donald's feet. I find that difficult to do.

When Justin Trudeau was Prime Minister, my experience is that no one in the USA had any difficulty labelling Canada as a "liberal" country with a "woke" population. I did not hear anyone in the USA acknowledge that Trudeau had a minority government, or that the government was split between two parties, with a third party used to form a coalition government.

Even today, it is a common statement in the USA that if Canada was a 51st state, Canadians would vote Democrat. The elected Liberal Party policy in Canada was, and is, used to label every single Canadian regardless of the almost 50% Conservative Party vote during the last election.

Today, Canadians view the elected USA President as representative of the USA Federal Government and the USA People. It's not easy to separate Donald from the government and the people ... especially since he was elected twice.

When the USA stops calling Canadians "mini-Democrats", stops claiming that as a USA state we would be "Democrats", then Canadians can reconsider viewing USA as Republicans endorsing their elected government decisions.

MOO, I only ever hear Trump say Canada should be 51st state. His flying monkeys are careful, when asked what they think about it, to say "The President says...blah blah blah" or "The President believes...blah blah blah" They don't directly say what they think or believe. IMO, because they do not agree with Trump but don't want him coming down on them if they say it publicly. Cowards.

That leads into the culpability of all of the USA Federal Government. I do agree this is on all of the Fed Govt. They should be stepping up to stop this. Citizens are doing what they can and in great numbers but the politicians (with some awesome exceptions) are hiding. So yea, this is on them. Too worried about their own skin to step up and do what's right.

 

[Dotta]

"With China and the US at intense economic odds, ​

other nations are being forced to choose sides.​

'America and China are now locked in a fierce contest for global supremacy',

Singaporean Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said in an April 16 speech.

'Both powers claim they do not wish to force countries to choose sides.

But in reality,
each seeks to draw others closer into their respective orbits'.

The White House has framed any negotiations as being between the U.S. President and Chinese President
but neither leader seems willing to make the initial outreach without some kind of concession.

The two countries can’t even agree publicly whether they are holding talks.

Hal Brands,
a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington,
said
China will
'try to exploit Trump’s abrasive behavior
to make inroads with U.S. allies and countries in the Global South'.

Some scholars say Beijing is already gaining.

'People lost the confidence, or even trust, for the United States.
Not for China',

said Li Cheng,
Professor of Political Science at the University of Hong Kong.

'So in that regard,
China gains in the geopolitical landscape'.

Countries have to choose, but it’s difficult​

Countries caught between the U.S. and China are in
'an impossible situation'
because they need to stay economically connected both to China,
'a source of a lot of their input and imports'
and to the powerhouse U.S. market,
said Matthew Goodman,
Director of the Greenberg Center
for Geoeconomic Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

'They cannot choose one or the other,
because they need both'."

Much more in the link

With China and the US at intense economic odds, other nations are being forced to choose sides

As President Donald Trump’s trade war locks the world’s two largest economies on a collision course, America’s unnerved allies and partners are cozying up with China to hedge their bets.

apnews.com

 

[tarabull]

It would be hilarious if not for all the harm he is causing.

What else is a person suppose to do???...it seems out of "the people's" hands. ...gotta laugh to prevent ourselves from crying...or worse!!!!

 

[Herat]

Listening to financial news networks continues to be really concerning.

-No trade deals are done at this point. Not ONE

-Trade deals are (or should be) detailed, meticulous, specific negotiation issues and nothing that can get done in a few days or weeks, no matter who says they can

-Already supply shortages are being noticed in a variety of non-consumer goods from China, basically machine parts, semiconductors, circuit boards. Things that are needed for US manufacturing.

- The likelihood of Walmart, Target, and Amazon's caution to Trump about "empty shelves this summer" is getting closer and closer.

- Bananas, bridal gowns, back-to-school is how one economist described it as examples of what will change:
Bananas, along with coffee =something that can't be grown in the US, commonly purchased by families, will show price increases quickly
Bridal Gowns = something that is bought months in advance for summer weddings, if not on the boat now, won't be getting the specific gown or size or model that they wanted = reduced choices in shopping and will hurt many small local businesses that rely on foreign produced gowns for a pricepoint and choice of styles that appeals to their clients
Back-to-School = Along with Halloween and Christmas, a huge part of Chinese manufacturing and sales that are planned for up to a year in advance. A huge import for US big box sellers like Costco, Sam's Club, Walmart, Target as well as for small businesses whose yearly income depends highly on BacktoSchool, Halloween, and especially Christmas sales to stay in business.

- There are no overtures from China and this should be of huge concern to the US because the longer this goes on, the
more difficult it will be for the US to regain any dominance of trade or infrastructure.

- This is not all about trade for China. It is part of a world leadership and dominance threat that has been slowly building for years. Trump #1 and Biden both saw what was coming. Biden had the pragmatic and reasoned approach that was going to continue a dialogue. Trump #2 has almost eleminated that opportunity at this point.

 

[LovesPeace2]

Canada election 2025 live: voting under way as Trump told to ‘stay out of our election’

Canadians go to the polls after US president’s tariffs and talk of country becoming 51st US state upended election

www.theguardian.com

 

[NuttMegg]

"With China and the US at intense economic odds, ​

other nations are being forced to choose sides.​

'America and China are now locked in a fierce contest for global supremacy',

Singaporean Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said in an April 16 speech.

'Both powers claim they do not wish to force countries to choose sides.

But in reality,
each seeks to draw others closer into their respective orbits'.

The White House has framed any negotiations as being between the U.S. President and Chinese President
but neither leader seems willing to make the initial outreach without some kind of concession.

The two countries can’t even agree publicly whether they are holding talks.

Hal Brands,
a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington,
said
China will
'try to exploit Trump’s abrasive behavior
to make inroads with U.S. allies and countries in the Global South'.

Some scholars say Beijing is already gaining.
'People lost the confidence, or even trust, for the United States.
Not for China'',
said Li Cheng,
Professor of political science at the University of Hong Kong.

'So in that regard,
China gains in the geopolitical landscape'.

Countries have to choose, but it’s difficult​

Countries caught between the U.S. and China are in
'an impossible situation'
because they need to stay economically connected both to China,
'a source of a lot of their input and imports'
and to the powerhouse U.S. market,
said Matthew Goodman,
director of the Greenberg Center for Geoeconomic Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

'They cannot choose one or the other,
because they need both'."

Much more in the link

With China and the US at intense economic odds, other nations are being forced to choose sides

As President Donald Trump’s trade war locks the world’s two largest economies on a collision course, America’s unnerved allies and partners are cozying up with China to hedge their bets.

apnews.com

Re USA battling China for global supremacy, we don't seem to realize what China is doing around the world, namely with the BRI. This was the topic of the spat initiated with Panama, but there's so much going on beyond Panama, ie the entire continent lying south of there.

For instance the BRI, does China need us as a market more than we need them? Not as the rest of this century rolls on, while we make our massive bombastic unfocused stand on retribution tariffs, and cut ties with all the work even USAID has done.

China is building ports and trade belts around the world to aid their own future "global supremacy". Working to help develop countries (for their own future trade).

China’s Massive Belt and Road Initiative​

"Washington has struggled to offer participating governments a more appealing economic vision."

China’s Massive Belt and Road Initiative

China’s colossal infrastructure investments may usher in a new era of trade and growth for economies in Asia and beyond. But skeptics worry that China is laying a debt trap for borrowing governments.

www.cfr.org

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Chancay Port sees fruitful operation in first 3 months, highlighting win-win BRI cooperation

The Chancay Port, for example, is projected to generate $4.5 billion in yearly revenues for Peru and create over 8,000 direct employment opportunities, according to Xinhua.

Chancay Port sees fruitful operation in first 3 months, highlighting win-win BRI cooperation - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

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[TootsieFootsie]

MSN

The Independent

‘I’m having a lot of fun, considering what I do,’ says Trump of his second term as he says this time he runs the country and the world.​

 

[Herat]

MSN

The Independent

‘I’m having a lot of fun, considering what I do,’ says Trump of his second term as he says this time he runs the country and the world.​

This just mocks everyone - from the CEO of Walmart to the manager of a nursing home to the owner of a gift shop to the family of modest means who can’t risk the finances of repairing the car.

 

[tarabull]

Snipped...
...“President Trump, stay out of our election,” Poilievre posted. “The only people who will decide the future of Canada are Canadians at the ballot box. Canada will always be proud, sovereign and independent and we will NEVER be the 51st state.”

Poilievre said Canadians can vote for change to “strengthen our country, stand on our own two feet and stand up to America from a position of strength.”

Poilievre hits at Trump after he wishes luck to the 'great people of Canada' on Election Day

'Elect the man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your taxes in half, increase your military power, for free'

theprovince.com

 

[tarabull]

MSN

The Independent

‘I’m having a lot of fun, considering what I do,’ says Trump of his second term as he says this time he runs the country and the world.​

Delusional!!!!

 

[NuttMegg]

Listening to financial news networks continues to be really concerning.

-No trade deals are done at this point. Not ONE

-Trade deals are (or should be) detailed, meticulous, specific negotiation issues and nothing that can get done in a few days or weeks, no matter who says they can

-Already supply shortages are being noticed in a variety of non-consumer goods from China, basically machine parts, semiconductors, circuit boards. Things that are needed for US manufacturing.

- The likelihood of Walmart, Target, and Amazon's caution to Trump about "empty shelves this summer" is getting closer and closer.

- Bananas, bridal gowns, back-to-school is how one economist described it as examples of what will change:
Bananas, along with coffee =something that can't be grown in the US, commonly purchased by families, will show price increases quickly
Bridal Gowns = something that is bought months in advance for summer weddings, if not on the boat now, won't be getting the specific gown or size or model that they wanted = reduced choices in shopping and will hurt many small local businesses that rely on foreign produced gowns for a pricepoint and choice of styles that appeals to their clients
Back-to-School = Along with Halloween and Christmas, a huge part of Chinese manufacturing and sales that are planned for up to a year in advance. A huge import for US big box sellers like Costco, Sam's Club, Walmart, Target as well as for small businesses whose yearly income depends highly on BacktoSchool, Halloween, and especially Christmas sales to stay in business.

- There are no overtures from China and this should be of huge concern to the US because the longer this goes on, the
more difficult it will be for the US to regain any dominance of trade or infrastructure.

- This is not all about trade for China. It is part of a world leadership and dominance threat that has been slowly building for years. Trump #1 and Biden both saw what was coming. Biden had the pragmatic and reasoned approach that was going to continue a dialogue. Trump #2 has almost eleminated that opportunity at this point.

The result being empty shelves is so obvious to predict. The US companies won't be able to charge customers more than a fraction of what they had to pay in import tariffs, for the unnecessary frivolous things. Empty shelves frighten and anger the consumer more than raising prices. And lets the companies be more selective, focusing on products that people need, thus recuperating the tariffs they paid. = (tax on consumer).

 

[otto]

MSN

The Independent

‘I’m having a lot of fun, considering what I do,’ says Trump of his second term as he says this time he runs the country and the world.​

Today he's Mr Funny and whacking Canada. What will his mood be tomorrow? Good mood means more lies about fake trade agreements, bad mood means whacking Greenland?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Trump to ‘The Atlantic’: ‘I run the country and the world’​

CNN

 

[tarabull]

Trump to ‘The Atlantic’: ‘I run the country and the world’​

CNN

ROTFLMFAO....

 

[Herat]

Trump to ‘The Atlantic’: ‘I run the country and the world’​

CNN

I think Chinese President Xi has a great big pin to burst that smelly orange bubble.

 

[Kudzuu]

Canada is forced to trade with the USA because there has been an 80 year cooperative trade relationship between the two countries. It's impossible to extract either country from the other. The USA relies on Canadian electricity, both hydro and oil. The automotive industry was intentionally distributed over Canada/USA/Mexico to maximize labour and expertise objectives since 1965. None of that can be reset in less than a decade or two.

The USA and Asia have a similar trade relationship. It was cheaper to manufacture almost everything in Asia, so USA companies established manufacturing in Asia.

The USA Government is trying to use those trusted relationships to extort a tax to pay-off the trillions of dollars in debt. It's rude.

I expect that, over the next couple of decades, countries like Canada will diversity trade to ensure that the country is never again in the situation it is in today with the USA.

The Republicans should quit giving tax cuts to the rich and we would have a lot less debt.

 

[nao]

I think Chinese President Xi has a great big pin to burst that smelly orange bubble.

Moo...I have more respect for China than I ever did before. Trump is so disrespectful and crude. Yea like the emperor with no clothes story...moo