New Search 9/12/2011

[pferrin]

If the remains, in fact, are American Indan then NAGPRA- Native American Grave Protection and Repatriation Act is in effect because the land is BLM/Federal land. I am glad to see that they are following protocol; if the remains are American Indian then the local tribal officials will provide a reburial that is keeping in the culture of that tribe if the tribe of origin of the remains can't be determined.

http://www.nps.gov/history/nagpra/

I agree Jacie..so nice to see this happening. Just in case.

 

[nursebeeme]

so I guess if I go clean my house for the party I am having tomorrow the anthopologist will arrive and there will be breaking news...

;-)

 

[sreshowtime]

If not Susan, Who is it?

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/to...t-Susan-Who-is-it/6vlGwJmUVU-Gci6vYytokQ.cspx

Thanks

ahh, so many just there...if not Susan, hopefully someone will receive news, albeit heartbreaking.

 

[TGIRecovered]

What I understood from the media is that there is some kind of rule in Utah which requiers that an anthropologist view unidentified remains which are discovered in certain areas, and LE is being very cautious to be sure that all precautions are being taken to avoid any accusation of being hasty or careless.

They surely don't want to give any defense lawyer one more thing to throw against the wall. Even if it's not Susan, this is someone who seems to have fallen victim to foul play. If it was an accidental death, a body can't bury itself! JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I don't know if it's Susan or not, but I still cannot understand WHY you would go "camping" in a freaking blizzard and sleep in your van? Who calls sleeping in your van camping? I just don't get what the point is. You go for one night, can't enjoy anything outside the vehicle because it's a blizzard out...so basically you drive somewhere just to sleep in your van? Makes no sense what so ever!

Which is why it is being questioned by everyone and anyone with sense.

JMO

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I don't really know either, but I would think if it is an old tribal burying ground than it deserves respect. So calling in the antropologist sounds like a good plan to me. Regardless what the antro finds, I hope they test the remains to be sure.

It seems to me that neither SPowell or JPowell are in the media with this search and are remaining silent. Or is it just that the press has not been asking them any questions?

Salem

Yes, I am glad that protocol is being followed just in case this is sacred ground.

There was a general statement from JP that sounded like it was written by his atty. There is a link upthread a few pages.

Also, a news agency had a brief interview with josh outside his house and neighbors drove by and heckled him.

That's it as far as I know.

Anyone who has links handy please post. I must get busy with my chores now:innocent:

wm

ETA The silence has been deafening from the P men. Very different from their last media blitz! MOO

 

[Anakerie]

I don't really know what I am talking about here but I think the BLM being brought in is a procedural measure? Isn't this search in a different county? So could LE just proceed with excavating the area without getting the all clear from BLM as it could be a sacred buriel ground or something?

My gut says these are not NA remains because of the 'shallow grave' report. But what do I know?

MOO

wm

If the area being searched and the location of the remains are on Federal Lands that are managed by BLM, it's federal law that an anthropologist associated with the BLM examine the remains to determine if they are Native American remains. If they are Native American remains, arrangements are made to return the remains to the appropriate tribe for re-burial. If they are more recent remains, then the local authorities take over and deal with the identification and disposition.

ETA: I really, really need to read to the end of a thread before answering.. Sorry for repeating what has already been posted by others.. Posted much better than what I said.. **sigh** Back to lurk mode I go.

 

[Jacie Estes]

One indicator for American Indian remains is the structure of the teeth, another is cheekbone structure. The teeth have a concave back, they have been called shovel-like.



http://pattyinglishms.hubpages.com/hub/Native-Americn-Nations-Finale

 

[SilkySifaka]

Depends on the conditions surrounding the body. In the desert, mummification is more likely. But, if the rumors are true and the body was wrapped in plastic, there would more than likely be some sort of tissue and/or fluid.

Also, depends on if the body has been buried the whole time, or if it was moved after being exposed to the elements.

Can't be true. They wouldn't be wondering about Native American graves if it was wrapped in plastic.

 

[nursebeeme]

The BLM anthropologists have arrived here. More coming up on @fox13now @ 11. #SusanPowell #findsusan #Utah

http://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow

 

[HotLavaJavas]

Can't be true. They wouldn't be wondering about Native American graves if it was wrapped in plastic.

Before any of us know if that is true, the area will have to be excavated. We don't know how much of the body has been seen, since the searchers don't want to contaminate potential evidence by digging up too much.

 

[nursebeeme]

Until an approximate age of the remains is determined, searchers will continue to look for evidence. The West Valley Police Chief is en-route to Delta.

2News will bring you the latest at noon.

http://connect2utah.com/news-story/?nxd_id=163797

 

[Jacie Estes]

What I understood from the media is that there is some kind of rule in Utah which requiers that an anthropologist view unidentified remains which are discovered in certain areas, and LE is being very cautious to be sure that all precautions are being taken to avoid any accusation of being hasty or careless.

They surely don't want to give any defense lawyer one more thing to throw against the wall. Even if it's not Susan, this is someone who seems to have fallen victim to foul play. If it was an accidental death, a body can't bury itself! JMO

The land is Federal and so their regulations have to be followed. It is possible, if the remains are American Indian, that it is not burial but that wind action and erosion covered the remains.

The anthros may also have been called if funerary objects such as jewelry or fetishes were found nearby.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Before any of us know if that is true, the area will have to be excavated. We don't know how much of the body has been seen, since the searchers don't want to contaminate potential evidence by digging up too much.

Exactly, HLJ!

They probably dug just enough to see that there are bones there, took pics, and preserved the rest of the dig for the specialists. They likely will be sifting carefully through every bit of dirt for bits of hair, cloth, buttons, fingernails, trash etc.
JMO

 

[cluciano63]

Yet it has been reported that they did find some "items of interest..."

 

[gibby207]

One indicator for American Indian remains is the structure of the teeth, another is cheekbone structure. The teeth have a concave back, they have been called shovel-like.



http://pattyinglishms.hubpages.com/hub/Native-Americn-Nations-Finale

O/T: Amazing article!! Although our family has Native American ancestry, we are having difficulty tracing it's roots. We have our likely nation pinpointed but we can't be accepted without actual "proof." Reading the above was almost like having proof... me with my big flat feet, greasy glasses, and 4-cusp molars. Thank you so much for posting!!

...okay BACK ON TOPIC: Let's hope Susan's family gets some answers today.

 

[nursebeeme]

there was also a comment posted on one of the linked articles that (to paraphrase and generalize) said that the area had also been a site where there was a japanese wwII interment camp...

I am not sure if that is true or not but would be interesting to look into...

((just throwing it out there))

 

[Dogface]

What does that mean? How deap or detailed is this earth the body is in?

Would JP have been able to dig a shallow grave in the midst of a blizzard? Was the ground frozen then?

Now I'm nervous!! Whatever the outcome, someone will have found a loved one.

I was wondering the same thing, but, since he has been to the area before, he could have prepared a grave site before hand, and simply drove and disposed of her, and covered her up.

Question: Will cadaver dogs hit on human bones regardless of age?

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/japan_internment_camps.htm

well sure enough! there was a japanese internment camp open in topaz, utah between '42-'45 (peak population, according to this link of over 8 k people)

 

[hollyblue]

I just heard on the video that JP sister and husband was heading out of town for a breather when they got the news? Interesting: Wonder if JP was planning on going too.

Is interesting. Hmmm. Wonder if they making a trip to "dad's" in case the hammer falls to be a near the children?