New Search at North Dumfries Farm -- September 9, 2013

[matou]

Liz Monteiro ‏@MonteiroRecord 1m
"No one has the capability we have" to test hazardous materials, Parsons.

 

[hopingforjustice]

I just watched this clip, Mr. Nicholson that spoke on camera was the realestate person that sold the property not the former owner. Of course he would also recall what was left in the barn but was just clarifying who spoke on camera.:moo:

Thank you for correcting my error

 

[bessie]

Aerial view of OPP specialists removing barrels from Millard farm;
more at noon from @nicolelampa. pic.twitter.com/nARPOFdTmZ

https://twitter.com/CTVKitchener/status/378544761855934467/photo/1

 

[bessie]

Some of the drums OPP have carried out Dellen Millard farm. Looked light, officers carried with ease. pic.twitter.com/GVIzHP1Epg

 

[Arnie M]

More than 100 police officers, including members of a specialized Ontario Provincial Police response team, were working at accused killer Dellen Millard's Waterloo Region farm Friday.

One officer on the site told CBC News that investigators have discovered barrels with labels saying they contained kerosene and airplane fuel.

More at:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitch...9/13/cambridge-millard-farm-search-day-5.html

Thank you Murphy

One of the most successful "angels dust '' manufactures (years ago) used to transport his illicit liquid chemicals in drums marked as "home heating fuel" or "aviation fuel" . It was a perfect cover because he owned a float plane , a cottage on an island , and was always hauling those products anyway ... he manufactured the drugs on the island .... it took years for LE to finally catch him.

plenty of fuel drums around an airport .... the empties are usually taken back to the fuel dealer for refund of drum deposit ($55)

Other than that ... fuel barrels are a pain in the a$$ for pilots and hangar owners ... they are oily and greasy and dirty and ugly .... and the only way someone like DM would bring some to the farm would be to make a burning barrel (for garbage) or for storing used oil .... or for storing a bit of fuel for lawnmowers or tractors (bobcats) (backhoes) or for storing something nefarious (my guess).

Remember that some models of the animal incinerator can burn waste fuel and oil as well .... so we should also allow for that possibility

A.M.

 

[hopingforjustice]

Aerial view of OPP specialists removing barrels from Millard farm; more at noon from @nicolelampa. pic.twitter.com/nARPOFdTmZ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUDcdIcCQAE-wEC.jpg:large

 

[Arnie M]

I am not so sure you would need 100 cops, 3 hazmet trucks, an ambulance firefighters, firetrucks and forensics just to deal with some old farm chemicals and sprays. That would be overkill.

You make a good point Eldee .... but remember we are dealing with "government departments" here .

I have been involved with small fuel spills , liquid chemical spills , and it is simply a matter of spreading some granular absorbent on it (diatomaceous earth) (similar to cat litter) .... the liquid soaks up almost instantly .... it is as simple as that

But if an automotive fuel tank gets a little puncture in a minor accident ..... they send four fire trucks , three ambulances , three police cars , and an overhead helicopter filming the circus for the evening news.

In the middle of the circus and sensationalism ..... if you watch closely one of the firefighters will take about 30 seconds and spread some diatomaceous earth on the spill .... its as simple as that.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Can someone who is more familiar with the MillardAir real estate stuff weigh in:

Does it make sense that they would store 54 barrels of (jet fuel or whatever aircraft-related volatiles) at a site like this when they have access to hangar(s)?

I know there is a small airstrip across the way, but we've never heard even a rumor that planes routinely used it (I feel like neighbors would have let this rumor out early), and once again I'm pretty sure DM doesn't have a pilot's license.

Alternately: Maybe it was stored at the hangars, but DM wanted it out of the way for more truck/car/workshop/man cave space?

And finally: If this was all farm material (pesticide?) wouldn't 54 barrels be excessive to randomly have on hand?

 

[swanna]

Can someone who is more familiar with the MillardAir real estate stuff weigh in:

Does it make sense that they would store 54 barrels of (jet fuel or whatever aircraft-related volatiles) at a site like this when they have access to hangar(s)?

I know there is a small airstrip across the way, but we've never heard even a rumor that planes routinely used it (I feel like neighbors would have let this rumor out early), and once again I'm pretty sure DM doesn't have a pilot's license.

Alternately: Maybe it was stored at the hangars, but DM wanted it out of the way for more truck/car/workshop/man cave space?

And finally: If this was all farm material (pesticide?) wouldn't 54 barrels be excessive to randomly have on hand?

Good points, what I was wondering would this be from the old hanger or was the new hanger built already when DM bought the farm....I will have to read the dates of demolition (of the old). But why would they cart all this to the farm and not get rid of it at the old hanger. Just thinking out loud..lol.:moo:

 

[redheart]

And why are some of the barrels so light, possibly empty?
I don't think they were full of fuel used to run the Eliminator. I don't know how much that incinerator has been used, but it doesn't look like it's been used a lot. Too clean.

Just musing aloud. The barrels are puzzling.

LOL, Swanna, I see we're both thinking aloud.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Somewhat interesting clip. An officer describes the barrels as quite varied, 5-50gal, some metal, some plastic, some full, some empty. The reporter also describes in more detail items that were taken yesterday, including a full/heavy barrel wrapped in plastic.

(I notice she's wearing a coat and scarf, apparently the temps dropped there (~50sF) so at least they are not working in the heat anymore.)

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1002973

Attaching a screen grab from one of the copter shots in the video.

 

[Juballee]

Maybe this is the junk AS wanted them to remove from the hanger last fall?

 

[MsSherlock]

Can someone who is more familiar with the MillardAir real estate stuff weigh in:

Does it make sense that they would store 54 barrels of (jet fuel or whatever aircraft-related volatiles) at a site like this when they have access to hangar(s)?

I know there is a small airstrip across the way, but we've never heard even a rumor that planes routinely used it (I feel like neighbors would have let this rumor out early), and once again I'm pretty sure DM doesn't have a pilot's license.

Alternately: Maybe it was stored at the hangars, but DM wanted it out of the way for more truck/car/workshop/man cave space?

And finally: If this was all farm material (pesticide?) wouldn't 54 barrels be excessive to randomly have on hand?

AE, IMO, tens of barrels of chemicals in a barn would be a bit excessive. After all, it is only a 100 acre farm and herbicides/pesticides are all extremely regulated these days, along with being extremely concentrated. Gas? Millardaire did not sell Jet fuel, so chances are it's avgas. But, once again, I don't think it would be all that popular for someone to pull up to an avgas supplier with barrels to fill up. A few problems using gas out of those for your airplane/helicopter-condensation resulting in water in the gas and dirt contamination. JMHO It's all very strange! However, if the barrels are in fact empty, maybe DM was storing old gas containers at the barn to save himself from having to dispose of them properly? MOO

 

[Arnie M]

Is airplane de-icer liquid hazardous?

Not really hazardous (as in hazmat) .... it is along the lines of windshield washer antifreeze (but more exotic) .... they spray thousands of gallons of it at airports on a routine basis (in ice and snow conditions)

 

[ArianeEmory]

Extended aerial video of barrels being removed:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1002986&playlistId=1.1453471&binId=1.810401&playlistPageNum=1

One interesting thing I noticed: In the first half of the clip, you can see a large group of handheld gas/fuel containers (like a large one you would buy at the hardware store, red or yellow plastic, with a built-in handle) on the ground to one side.

 

[Archangel7]

Not really hazardous (as in hazmat) .... it is along the lines of windshield washer antifreeze (but more exotic) .... they spray thousands of gallons of it at airports on a routine basis (in ice and snow conditions)

It wouldn't be unusual for a farmer to have Glycol(antifreeze) or glycophosate/phosphate(herbicide) Roundup, I believe.

 

[MsSherlock]

Maybe this is the junk AS wanted them to remove from the hanger last fall?

Very true Juballee. Perhaps these are old barrels moved from Pearson, to Waterloo and now out to the farm? You would think it would be easier to simply call in one of the environmental companies to dispose of it, but nothing would surprise me! MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Agricultural chemicals: first they let you dump a whole barrelful on your fields, and then the government makes you treat the empty container like it's nuclear waste. All sorts of rules and regs and you have to dispose of these containers at a special depot that may be (ha ha is probably) not conveniently located.

That's where the collection probably started, and Millard Air might have found it cheaper to store more barrels there as well.

Interesting that they hauled away a 'heavy' one.

 

[MsSherlock]

Maybe this is the junk AS wanted them to remove from the hanger last fall?

It wouldn't be unusual for a farmer to have Glycol(antifreeze) or glycophosate/phosphate(herbicide) Roundup, I believe.

Glycol is also used medicinally for some animals-not sure if pigs are one of them. Herbicides like Roundup are very concentrated. 2.5 gallons will do up to 10 acres, so 25 gallons of Roundup would do the whole farm and only used twice a year, IMHO. Certainly not multiple barrels needed.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Roundup-...-PRO-Herbicide-8889110/100095117#.UjNEIryE4jk

 

[Bertie]

I'm pretty sure DM doesn't have a pilot's license.

Actually, it's well known that DM does have a pilot's license.