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I'm leaning in that direction as well. Where the middle child has no known relationship to the others at this time, I think it's safe to conclude that she has a family out there, wholly unconnected to the other 3, that may be looking for her.

She has a mother out there unless he killed her too.
I've always figured she was 14 or 15 when she gave birth.

What I'm guessing is, the middle girl may be listed as having gone missing under her father's custody. I'm wondering if the woman was living a semi-transient lifestyle, had gone missing a couple years before with her daughter, and didn't make contact with anyone after she met the guy. Not a Jaycee Dugard scenario but maybe just went missing five years or so before she died.
 
What I'm guessing is, the middle girl may be listed as having gone missing under her father's custody.

I've been looking for cases where a child has been reported missing because she hasn't been seen or heard from since being in her father's (or someone else's) custody, but haven't had any luck. If the mother was incarcerated or institutionalized, she may not be able to get the help she needs to find her. Under those circumstances, she may not even realize her child is gone if she had no expectation of visitations or contact.
 
At first I got excited when I saw this:

"When she heard about the revolt there, Aquash, a Mikmaq Indian from Canada, left her two young daughters with her sister in Boston and traveled to join AIM volunteers who had taken up the cause. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/magazine/who-killed-anna-mae.html?_r=3

BUT AFTER READING THE ARTICLE, REALIZED HER DAUGHTERS ARE ALIVE AND WELL. SHE IS NOT. She was murdered and found.

HOWEVER, this is a great article to read to understand what was going on in the Native American community at the time. One of the leaders of the American Indian Movement had 20 children by seven women while all this was going on. It's also interesting to wonder how many other Native American women may have also left their children with family in the States and Canada to join the movement; and whether any of the children could be the unrelated child. This may just all lead to a great big rabbit hole.
 
I went back and read through the thread from the beginning. Mind you, it was a quick perusal, but I came across a few things of note that bear mentioning again:
1. I found 2 news articles that stated all 4 victims were dismembered/partially dismembered. Rose, you and I were talking about how they were paired in the barrels. This information makes me wonder why they were dismembered at all. The two smaller ones most certainly wouldn't have needed it. One thing I came up with is that they were originally going to be disposed of by another means, and perhaps the perpetrator stumbled upon the barrels at the last minute and decided to use them instead. Again, why go through all the trouble of dismembering them if you don't need to? The other reason I came up with is that perhaps the dismembered parts had some tell tale distinguishing marks, like healed broken bones, tattoos, birthmarks, etc?
2. Again, a DNA thing. The female victim has a full mtDNA profile but only a 2 STR nucDNA file? Does that make sense? So, if I'm understanding that correctly, her nucDNA is virtually unusable for a match? The other victims had a 13 STR profile. Did they come up with a more complete profile for the adult female with this latest round of testing, anyone know?
3. Oh! I found an article about this case in which the forensic artist said he could determine whether or not the ears were attached:
Mullins was able to determine thickness of the lips, width of the nose, shape of the eyes and even whether the earlobes were detached
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...barrels-New-Hampshire-woods-30-years-ago.html
 
Correction: it appears they were dismembered but all parts were recovered, according to NamUs.
 
Lots of good stuff in that article. Thanks, Alleykins!
 
Thanks, Carbuff.
I originally went back to look for dental information on the adult female. Sometimes I can find pictures of them on some threads before NamUs removed them. Does anyone have a copy of them somewhere, by chance?
 
Thanks, Carbuff.
I originally went back to look for dental information on the adult female. Sometimes I can find pictures of them on some threads before NamUs removed them. Does anyone have a copy of them somewhere, by chance?

Carl may have them, I do not. Back when NamUs hid everything, he and I were trying to save cases we worked. Back then I was more just following here, there were a lot of people working on them so they weren't one of my main cases.

I went back and read through the thread from the beginning. Mind you, it was a quick perusal, but I came across a few things of note that bear mentioning again:
1. I found 2 news articles that stated all 4 victims were dismembered/partially dismembered. Rose, you and I were talking about how they were paired in the barrels. This information makes me wonder why they were dismembered at all. The two smaller ones most certainly wouldn't have needed it. One thing I came up with is that they were originally going to be disposed of by another means, and perhaps the perpetrator stumbled upon the barrels at the last minute and decided to use them instead. Again, why go through all the trouble of dismembering them if you don't need to? The other reason I came up with is that perhaps the dismembered parts had some tell tale distinguishing marks, like healed broken bones, tattoos, birthmarks, etc?
2. Again, a DNA thing. The female victim has a full mtDNA profile but only a 2 STR nucDNA file? Does that make sense? So, if I'm understanding that correctly, her nucDNA is virtually unusable for a match? The other victims had a 13 STR profile. Did they come up with a more complete profile for the adult female with this latest round of testing, anyone know?
3. Oh! I found an article about this case in which the forensic artist said he could determine whether or not the ears were attached:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...barrels-New-Hampshire-woods-30-years-ago.html

I have to get back to their album to make sure I have all of their articles. I just did a search of their narrative for dismembered, am only showing it with the Crime Watch article. I still have to go back and watch it. I went to google, looks like I missed a Huffington Post and Boston Globe articles

Decades-old slayings of woman, 3 girls still baffle N.H. officials - New details expected soon in the case - By Shelley Murphy Globe Staff November 10, 2015

ALLENSTOWN, N.H. — Thirty years ago, children playing in the woods bordering Bear Brook State Park found the heavy steel drum and made a game of rolling it around the towering pine trees. They abandoned it when the cover popped off, dumping a trash bag onto the ground.

Some days later, on Nov. 10, 1985, hunters stumbled upon the scene and discovered that the tattered plastic covered the naked, partially dismembered, and decomposing bodies of a young woman and little girl. Investigators learned the pair were beaten to death but were unable to identify them.

By 2000, the trail had long grown cold when New Hampshire State Police Sergeant John M. Cody, who was newly assigned to the case, was trekking through the woods and made a startling discovery some 100 yards from where the first bodies were found: another steel drum containing the skeletal remains of two more little girls.

On the 30th anniversary of the first discovery, the killings of the woman and three children — whose ages and identities are unknown — remain one of New Hampshire’s most baffling mysteries.



Mitochondrial DNA tests performed years ago indicate that the woman found in Allenstown is related to the oldest and youngest girls found in the woods but don’t distinguish whether she was their mother, sister, or aunt. It’s unclear whether the third girl is related to any of the other victims.

“This is one of the larger unidentified familial-related sets of remains in the country,” said New Hampshire State Police Lieutenant Joseph Ebert, who has been investigating the Allenstown slayings for about six years. “It’s so difficult for me to wrap my mind around the thought that there is a whole family that disappeared . . . and nobody reported it.”

Authorities said the case has been hindered over the years because so little is known about the victims. Police said they believe the woman, who was between 23 and 32 years old, and the children were killed at the same time, probably between 1980 and 1984.

Kim Fallon, chief forensic investigator for the New Hampshire Medical Examiner’s office, provided the following descriptions of the girls: a 9½- to 10½-year-old with light brown hair and double-pierced ears who might have been suffering from pneumonia; a brown-haired 3- to 5-year-old who had a noticeable overbite and might not have been related to the others; a 2- to 3½-year old with fine, long blond hair and a slight gap between her two front teeth.

A forensic anthropologist concluded that the woman had Native American characteristics but listed all of the victims as Caucasian.

The woman and oldest girl died of blunt force trauma to the head, but the cause of death could not be determined for the younger two. Police said it appeared that the woman and oldest girl had been partially dismembered to fit into the steel drum.

The first 55-gallon generic steel drum was found on private property that borders Bear Brook State Park, a popular site for campers, hikers, and snowmobilers, located 10 miles north of Manchester. The bodies were not far from a trail that snakes from a trailer park to the charred remains of a convenience store that was destroyed by fire in 1983.


They Were Found Dead In Steel Drums 30 Years Ago. Who Are They? - “Here are four individuals, who disappeared from whatever family nucleus they were in, and we haven’t come to an understanding of who they are.” - By David Lohr - 11/12/2015 12:18 pm ET | Updated Nov 12, 2015
Inside a discarded 55-gallon metal drum, the hunter was shocked to find the badly decomposed remains of a partially dismembered woman and a young girl. A medical examiner determined the victims died as a result of blunt force trauma. It is estimated the woman was between 23 and 32 years old and the child was between 5 and 11 years old, The Boston Globe reported Tuesday.

2 barrels, 4 bodies, zero answers: Identifying the Allenstown 4 By Billy Jensen 05/18/2016 12:50 pm PDT

...This brutal and baffling case begins in Allenstown, New Hampshire in the woods near Bear Brook State Park. That's when two brothers out hunting stumble upon a horrific scene.

Dismembered and discarded, the decomposing remains of a little girl and a young woman spill out of a 55-gallon barrel. According to forensic anthropologists, these bodies were hidden away in this makeshift steel coffin for at least five years.

...Did he have barrels on his property?

"He did, his daughter stated that he had barrels in that shed," said Randall. "I also know he had a band saw in that shed, his brother told us, and he kept it padlocked all the time. We've got two dismembered victims cut up with some kind of saw, but unfortunately that evidence was not seized or tested at the time, as far as I know."

Carl; you did an awesome job on the family recons!

Made an album on Never Forget Me
NH- Adult Female and 3 Children- Allenstown New Hampshire
 
I found this potential match: Dorothy Madden
She went missing in 1975 from OH, presumably 2.5 months pregnant, but she grew up in MA, which is in keeping with the isotopes.
She is a little on the older side, but everything else looks similar.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8430/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1974dfoh.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/madden_dorothy.html
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I found this potential match: Dorothy Madden
She went missing in 1975 from OH, presumably 2.5 months pregnant, but she grew up in MA, which is in keeping with the isotopes.
She is a little on the older side, but everything else looks similar.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8430/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1974dfoh.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/madden_dorothy.html
attachment.php

Thanks for posting it. I came here to post the other day and got side tracked. So proud of greymetal, she's like a daughter to me, following in my foot steps with cases I work. Hoping they get somewhere with it.
 
Not sure what happened. Was on my cell, must have grabbed the wrong quote


Thanks for posting it. I came here to post the other day and got side tracked. So proud of greymetal, she's like a daughter to me, following in my foot steps with cases I work. Hoping they get somewhere with it.

I'm very proud of her because she almost stopped doing this when she 1st found the Jason lead for Grateful Dead Fan.

I found this potential match: Dorothy Madden
She went missing in 1975 from OH, presumably 2.5 months pregnant, but she grew up in MA, which is in keeping with the isotopes.
She is a little on the older side, but everything else looks similar.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8430/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1974dfoh.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/madden_dorothy.html
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I doubt our Doe is Dorothy because according to Doe net, her last known encounter was a very violent argument with her boyfriend. She reportedly left with only the clothes on her back, no money, purse, etc. She left behind her 5 year old son from a previous relationship. My thoughts are he killed her. Had she really left, she would have taken her son. I do wonder what he saw.
 
I found this potential match: Dorothy Madden
She went missing in 1975 from OH, presumably 2.5 months pregnant, but she grew up in MA, which is in keeping with the isotopes.
She is a little on the older side, but everything else looks similar.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8430/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1974dfoh.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/madden_dorothy.html
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Honestly, as much as this is close to a match up I'm still kind of convinced Dorothy is this Jane Doe from 1975: https://identifyus.org/cases/10796 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...CT-18-28-Wrapped-in-Paint-Spotted-Tarp-Aug-75

I honestly doubt Dorothy made it past 1975.
 
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