NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #10

[Gooddeeds]

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a8234efe4b01467fcf08b97

Autopsy summaries.

That is a mass amount of target opportunity from the ammo of choice perspective. After reading this I am surprised there weren’t more fatalities. And it makes it harder to believe he didn’t kill Campos or anyone else with his rounds through the interior hallways...

 

[Gooddeeds]

I think "tumbling end over end" means instead of the bullet traveling straight towards the person, it's basically doing somersaults as it flies.

That’s some wild activity, perfect for a crowd huh...?

 

[Manterro]

This whole operation stinks to high heaven. In recap:

-Wealthy middle aged man amasses large amount of guns and ammo to shoot innocent civilians at a country concert without leaving any type of reason behind or having anything that would drive him to do this (political ideology, terminal illness, etc).

-Said man has tons of information pointing to him being some type of government spook. Minimally furnished residences, tons of cash that he "won gambling", planes formerly/currently owned by DOD contractors, tiny online/electronic footprint, regularly traveled, etc.

-An obviously overweight man gets a pile of guns and ammo into his room without anyone in the entire casino catching on.

-With cameras everywhere in the casino we have yet to see a single second of video footage from inside the casino. Not even a cell phone video.

-Reports of another shooter in the crowd chasing people into the parking lot and of exits purposefully being sealed off once the shooting started.

-SWAT taking forever and a day to breach the room even though they were on the scene quickly.

-The girlfriend was conveniently overseas when it all went down.

- And now, the other person of interest is a DOD contractor that was previously redacted from the original documents.



There is NO way that the government is not involved with this at some level.

 

[Kaley Smith]

Manterro says, "There is NO way that the government is not involved with this at some level."

WHAT? And I suppose you think the Florida shootings were staged by the government too, with actors to play the victims?

 

[CoolJ]

Manterro says, "There is NO way that the government is not involved with this at some level."

WHAT? And I suppose you think the Florida shootings were staged by the government too, with actors to play the victims?

What is it in Manterro's post that you disagree with. Seems like a bullet by bullet list of facts to me. Maybe you could specifically tell us which points you dispute?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

http://nyp.st/2Eto6vY

This article discusses how Trump recently stopped a law that would have required people getting SSI for mental health issues to be reported so they couldn't buy guns.

 

[pjm06]

What is it in Manterro's post that you disagree with. Seems like a bullet by bullet list of facts to me. Maybe you could specifically tell us which points you dispute?

Facts, but not facts that lead to the stated conclusion. The contractors thing is a bit overblown, there's thousands of them. The 'second shooter' thing is common in the confusion. Swat taking forever, fine but the shooting had stopped well before they were in place.

 

[CoolJ]

Facts, but not facts that lead to the stated conclusion. The contractors thing is a bit overblown, there's thousands of them. The 'second shooter' thing is common in the confusion. Swat taking forever, fine but the shooting had stopped well before they were in place.

The facts certainly do not point away from the stated conclusion. The point being, we have been so obviously lied to since day one. Over and over and over again.
If one chooses to bury their head in the sand and toe the line, that is their prerogative. But lets try to respect others opinions here, shall we? What is the point in trying to shut down another posters viewpoint? Especially in a case like this where the deception by those in positions of authority is as clear as day.

 

[kittythehare]

http://nyp.st/2Eto6vY

This article discusses how Trump recently stopped a law that would have required people getting SSI for mental health issues to be reported so they couldn't buy guns.

That's accurate.. sea-change from nYP, eh?
However Paddock was careful not to 'have' a mental health diagnosis..his doctor thought he might have suffered from a bi-polar illness but paddock resisted treatment.

He had already lost his pilot's licence because he had failed his eye tests..
He also had a known aversion to psychotropic meds and refused to take them..

Cruz had lost his mother, his girlfriend and according to police reports stated the 'voices' told him to carry out the school shooting.
He was described by his defender as being borderline autistic (NYT report from earlier today)
He had been attending therapy but not recently.
There is no record that Paddock sough such help for himself.
the debate now re Cruz is whether they can execute a mentally ill person.. and his defence has not yet decided they are going the route of mental illness..
Cruz was ostracised, Paddock was not..
Cruz survived, Paddock killed himself. Or was killed..
Paddock's estimated time of death remains a mystery..
his means of death, not so much.
His means of death, intra-oral- is more likely to be self induced than death by cop who would have been within their rights to take him out with a head -shot- believing him to be a terrorist.
But it is unlikely they would have shot him intra-orally..

 

[PrairieWind]

Isn't it interesting that 48 hours after the Florida school shooting we have almost second by second reports of his movements in the school? And Paddock's movements are a mystery. To me, that doesn't spell a conspiracy, it evidences incompetence on behalf of the Vegas shooting investigation across the board.

 

[CARIIS]

Attn all parties

As of this time we have had more pressers on FL than LV to date

Pls outline the differences between a cover up and passing on information to the public

Thank you !!

 

[Trvl4Lyfe]

So why would our government be involved in things like this shooting?

 

[Gooddeeds]

Isn't it interesting that 48 hours after the Florida school shooting we have almost second by second reports of his movements in the school? And Paddock's movements are a mystery. To me, that doesn't spell a conspiracy, it evidences incompetence on behalf of the Vegas shooting investigation across the board.

Incompetence and deception are not one in the same. Both are prevalent in this event. I would pick incompetence over deception any day.

From the first moment there is reason to wonder about deception. And at this point there is ample reason to know there is deception, versus wondering about it.

 

[Gooddeeds]

So why would our government be involved in things like this shooting?

I don’t think it’s things like ‘this shooting’ per say, as each and any massacre is a case by case review. I don’t think the poster was stating that the government is involved in all school shootings.

This case has history within that is laced with cover up and governing entities. Currently cover up now, is still actively at work. There is NO REASON for Paddocks activity footage to be kept from the public. That’s just one example, albeit the biggest.

 

[watergirl62]

Great doco. I highly recommend it.

Establishes the historically-corrupt legacy of LVMPD under Sheriff Gillespie prior to Lombardo's election... the bullying corruption scandal lies brutality profiling duplicitous farce of a police department.

Begins with a first-person account and then expands slowly yet exponentially to encompass the big ugly picture, one case at a time.

MB shooting was a footnote, however this doco brings it all home. We will never know the whole truth. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. There is nothing to see here.I think the floor renumbering fiasco discussed last week is a fine testament to that end.

P.S. Larry Burns rocks.

 

[coastal]

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[Manterro]

I don’t think it’s things like ‘this shooting’ per say, as each and any massacre is a case by case review. I don’t think the poster was stating that the government is involved in all school shootings.

This case has history within that is laced with cover up and governing entities. Currently cover up now, is still actively at work. There is NO REASON for Paddocks activity footage to be kept from the public. That’s just one example, albeit the biggest.

Gooddeeds is correct. Every situation is unique. I don't believe the government is involved in all mass shootings but I'm a very suspicious person by nature and I'll tell you why. [FONT=&amp]History has shown that skepticism is the only rational response to have toward establishment narratives. The government in the past has used[/FONT][FONT=&amp] lies, false flags and propaganda to manufacture support for it's agendas. It's simply self-evident that there's no good reason to take these people at their word and every reason not to. [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Your own educated best guess about what is going on in the world is infinitely superior to placing unquestioning faith in an establishment which has a vested interest in lying to you and a demonstrable history of doing so. You need to trust yourself and have full confidence that your conclusions, however imperfect, are always superior to those of known liars and manipulators. Never ever let anyone bully and cajole you for being skeptical of mainstream narratives.[/FONT][FONT=&amp] Trust yourself. You are not being crazy, you are behaving logically.[/FONT][FONT=&amp] Y[/FONT][FONT=&amp]ou need only to be thoroughly confident in our own judgment.​[/FONT]

 

[Gooddeeds]

Gooddeeds is correct. Every situation is unique. I don't believe the government is involved in all mass shootings but I'm a very suspicious person by nature and I'll tell you why. [FONT=&]History has shown that skepticism is the only rational response to have toward establishment narratives. The government in the past has used[/FONT][FONT=&] lies, false flags and propaganda to manufacture support for it's agendas. It's simply self-evident that there's no good reason to take these people at their word and every reason not to. [/FONT][FONT=&]Your own educated best guess about what is going on in the world is infinitely superior to placing unquestioning faith in an establishment which has a vested interest in lying to you and a demonstrable history of doing so. You need to trust yourself and have full confidence that your conclusions, however imperfect, are always superior to those of known liars and manipulators. Never ever let anyone bully and cajole you for being skeptical of mainstream narratives.[/FONT][FONT=&] Trust yourself. You are not being crazy, you are behaving logically.[/FONT][FONT=&] Y[/FONT][FONT=&]ou need only to be thoroughly confident in our own judgment.​[/FONT]

BRILLIANT ARTICULATION MANTERRO!!!

If we would have shrunken back due to being seen as ‘crazy’, we would have personally failed ourselves, THE LV VICTIMS and future victims.

 

[canadiangirl]

Don’t recall where and what, though it was recently mentioned that there are 2 contrasting reports on SPs weight and height via the investigation.

Anyone else see this yet?

There is a stark contrast between the JC we saw on Ellen and JC the hero too MOO

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[canadiangirl]

Way back in the earlier threads some people fell for an obvious fake news site.

Just interesting the fake CNN site linked JC with SP that early on

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