NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #3

[MelmothTheLost]

@ bravo, i think there's some definite logic in your 'plan a' & 'plan b' scenario...

"In a press conference on Wednesday, Clark County Sheriff Lombardo was asked if he saw evidence that Paddock had planned to escape after the attack.

The sheriff said "yes". Asked what it was, he said: "I can't tell you."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41511666

I see Las Vegas is only 250 miles north of the Mexican border. If he had no access to a private plane, and that is questionable since he no longer had a pilot's licence, it's possible that he had a boat moored in Texas that isn't yet on the radar - a boat that might have got him at least as far as Mexico.

 

[Spice]

I would not be surprised if he recently took out a second mortgage or something to get the money for the last two weeks moo

Even thought high stakes gambling was in line with his normal behavior, I have a feeling the spate of 40,000 dollar poker hands reported before the attack are representative of him knowing he would be dead in a matter of days. Suicidal behavior. A last giant "hurrah". He had to know if he left an enormous amount of cash asset behind it would be taken in the aftermath due to civil lawsuits etc. He was a meticulous planner.

 

[Spice]

BBM I think it also means he didn't care who the victims were. Their politics, location, and taste in music had nothing to do with why he shot them.

I totally agree. Just look at the bands that were going to play during Life is Beautiful. A totally different crowd would have been attacked. Same with Lollapalooza. He was homicidal and suicidal and he did not care one iota who he attacked. He just wanted to kill.

 

[bluesneakers]

The only thing on the plane angle that has been confirmed is that he has not been able to fly for years.

I do not recall but am starting to wonder if the he owns airplanes came out of the brothers who describes himself as wildly rich cause he
has a motor home!!

He mentioned the name of it but did not catch it.

Do you know when he stopped flying? Does it at all coincide with his lawsuit in 2012?

He claimed that he “incurred medical expenses, loss of income, possible future loss of income and medical expenses, and loss of enjoyment of life” because of the hotel’s negligence, and asked for at least $10,000 in addition to his attorney’s fees.

bbm
http://radaronline.com/videos/las-vegas-shooting-gunman-stephen-paddock-sued-cosmopolitan-hotel/

 

[bluesneakers]

I see Las Vegas is only 250 miles north of the Mexican border. If he had no access to a private plane, and that is questionable since he no longer had a pilot's licence, it's possible that he had a boat moored in Texas that isn't yet on the radar - a boat that might have got him at least as far as Mexico.

Why Texas? That would be a long way to get to Mexico from Las Vegas.

 

[katydid23]

BBM I think it also means he didn't care who the victims were. Their politics, location, and taste in music had nothing to do with why he shot them.

But he didn't actually shoot anyone in this other venues. So it might have made a difference to him since this is the one time and place he actually began killing people.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I totally agree. Just look at the bands that were going to play during Life is Beautiful. A totally different crowd would have been attacked. Same with Lollapalooza. He was homicidal and suicidal and he did not care one iota who he attacked. He just wanted to kill.

It's sobering to think that if he hadn't done what he did in Las Vagas, he'd still be out there looking for an event somewhere else to attack. It looks to me as though he was actively looking for the right event, just waiting for the permutations to fall into place.

 

[white rabbit]

@ melmoth & bravo, that's possible but i was thinking more in terms of the philippines.

he checked in under his own name, he had to because of his player perks. he bought the guns legally according to authorities, so again under his name.

he buys his girlfriend a plane ticket and wires $100k to her overseas. i really don't believe he said "go buy a house".

the room was right next to the stairs. now, i don't believe LE climbed 32 flights vs using the elevator. his car was full of explosive equipment. the airport is across the street. he could've blown up his car when he parked there and created another diversion.

for all we know, after gambling, he went for a spray tan and shaved. a far cry from the pathetic first photo of him doing shots. i mean, he's a planner, right?

all he needed was a fake passport. by the time he got on a plane and LE had his 'mug' plastered all over the news, he'd be gone. granted, they ground the airport as soon as the chaos began but at that point he wasn't SP and wouldn't look like him.

sounds far fetched, but possible. plan b was eating the gun because the security guard botched plan a.

all JMO.

 

[bluesneakers]

I totally agree. Just look at the bands that were going to play during Life is Beautiful. A totally different crowd would have been attacked. Same with Lollapalooza. He was homicidal and suicidal and he did not care one iota who he attacked. He just wanted to kill.

He just wanted his prey in a specific location and himself in another. It's disturbing to think about how he figured out when and where would give him the best chance to kill as many as possible. Did he have a spreadsheet? A diagram? Did he research angles and ticket sales? It turns my stomach.

 

[Spice]

But he didn't actually shoot anyone in this other venues. So it might have made a difference to him since this is the one time and place he actually began killing people.

He was a country music fan. So why would he want to kill or have a grudge against country music fans? He cased other venues and festivals that were all over the map genre wise. It is more likely that his choice of this concert had more to do with his sending Marilou away and the added advantage of staff at the hotel being so familiar with his presence they wouldn't give him a second glance. Oh and the use of Marilou's ID card. It all reeks of comfort and opportunity being what he ultimately took advantage of.

I think its very dangerous and dividing to insinuate that he wanted to attack a particular type of people. There is zero evidence to support that insinuation thus far.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Why Texas? That would be a long way to get to Mexico from Las Vegas.

It was just an idea. If he could have been sure of being able to nip across the border without being stopped he could have been there by road by morning, but with the risk that he would already have been identified as the gunman and picked up as he tried to cross the border. Maybe he had a false passport and was planning to disguise himself. He had the money to be able to buy a false passport, after all.

I suspect we're going to find out he had unknown assets and resources. Maybe he still had access to a plane. Maybe vehicles that weren't associated with him. Maybe a boat that would get him out of the country by the back door.

He could have anticipated a watch for him at the Mexican border and looked for a less obvious way out of the country.

 

[Spice]

You guys

I just heard LE state that "he had to have help at some point" on CNN and that they are probing that he may have had a possible accomplice.

:scared:

This is coming literally 24 hours after they began interviewing Marilou. It's possible that she provided information in her interviews that she may have been oblivious too but that raised red flags for investigators.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

@ melmoth & bravo, that's possible but i was thinking more in terms of the philippines.

I agree the Philippines might well have been his final destination but even if he'd been able to get out of the hotel it's unlikely he could have left the country by scheduled flight before he was identified as the gunman and a watch put on all airports. He would first have had to get out of the US.

all he needed was a fake passport.

Given how shady he now looks, I would be very surprised if he didn't have at least one false passport waiting to be used.

sounds far fetched, but possible. plan b was eating the gun because the security guard botched plan a.

Yep. No escape plan might have worked, but he might have been working to one he thought would.

 

[cady]

[Originally Posted by Spice
3) What happened in or around 10/16 when he began amassing a serious amount of weapons. He purchased the entirety of his guns over a period of 20 years. 33 of the 47 that he owned were purchased between October 2016 and September 2017. That is a HUGE jump in gun purchases in a short period of time and would indicate to me that this is when he decided he was going to do this and began planning.
What happened in his life prior or around 10/16.

I wonder if he was robbed at one of the casinos and felt emasculated
not that its an excuse

Who knows.....maybe aging, he looked back at his "career" and realized that all he really accomplished was amassing loads of money as a mere fixture of the casino culture. No home, other than a casino, no intimate family, no nothing. Just a bunch of money gained, because a bunch of other people gambled and lost. jMO

 

[enelram]

M.D.'s divorce was in 2015.

Another anomaly- why did he use her club card to check in and comp the suite? I think he owed a tidy sum to the
casino and until he paid up, could not get any services.
I worked at a racetrack long ago, as a cashier in the higher stakes area, if we made a mistake and had even a $1.00
shortage in our cash box, we could not work the next day or thereafter until the shortage was paid. I was halted from working once for a 10 cent shortage. These guys ALWAYS collect quickly whatever is due them.

 

[popsicle]

You guys

I just heard LE state that "he had to have help at some point" on CNN and that they are probing that he may have had a possible accomplice.

:scared:

This is coming literally 24 hours after they began interviewing Marilou. It's possible that she provided information in her interviews that she may have been oblivious too but that raised red flags for investigators.

That's what they said in the pc last night.

 

[grammieto5]

If we actually think about it, EVERYTHING that is a societal issue is naturally a political issue. WS wishes to prevent heated discussions about all major societal issues, because they ARE political, and therefore, heated. I don't blame Tricia, it's her choice. Politivent was enjoyable (and VERY heated) while it wasn't "moderated" But when posters had their feelings hurt (on both sides), rather than log off or try to respond with logic, many were busy harassing the moderators for the rest of WS and demanding their attention to what was supposed to be free wheeling Politivent.....in order to get their opponents kicked out. It felt good to vent, and I for one, enjoyed the short-lived freedom to do so. And I NEVER reported or tattled to anyone. I either logged off in frustration, or hung in there to defend my position. Apparently, enough people felt lost without policing, that heated, political argument couldn't be sustained. So, here we are.

OOOH so it's being monitored over there, hmmm I may have to make visit over there

 

[verbonica]

Below is a link to video of the gun firing from the hotel. If you look closely, you'll see muzzle flashes, left of the vertical sign.

(link snipped by me, because it's probably not allowed here, not being MSM)

IMO, those flashes are the reflection of car lights driving by on the street... you can even see a red tail light at one point.

 

[white rabbit]

@ melmoth, i agree but by the time he was identified as the shooter, he'd be through security. glasses, a tan, a shaved head...how would anyone have recognized him from that first awful photo released? he'd watch the chaos from the airport bar and introduce himself "hey i'm dave, wth is going on at mandalay?"

not that any of this matters now...just my thoughts at the moment lol...

 

[Spice]

Who knows.....maybe aging, he looked back at his "career" and realized that all he really accomplished was amassing loads of money as a mere fixture of the casino culture. No home, other than a casino, no intimate family, no nothing. Just a bunch of money gained, because a bunch of other people gambled and lost. jMO

He had multiple properties and a home, 90 miles from the shooting. Most people age with some amount of regret and sadness and do not become deranged mass murderers. He had a girlfriend. He apparently LOVED to gamble, speculate, and take financial risks. From all of the information released he chose and loved his lifestyle. There has to be a stressor or an event in his life. There always is before suicide and homicide in general. I am not saying I know what it is and I am not saying that it would excuse anything. One thing I know, It was NOT cognitive decline. He was way too methodical and organized for that. In the end, we may never know. But something occurred, something changed, and brought alive what may have been inside of him for 64 years on some level. You don't wake up one day and become a mass murderer. It's not random.