NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #3

[MelmothTheLost]

I don't think he had any illusion that he would ever leave that hotel alive.

Yet LE have said there were signs that he really did expect to be able to get away.

Maybe the plan was for the car full of ammonium nitrate to go up, creating a situation in which the hotel was put under emergency evacuation and for him to be able to escape as part of that evacuation. Just another face in the crowd of frightened guests.

 

[Dogface]

Sorry if someone has asked before, but I just dont get the financial aspect of this guy.
Four brothers raised without father, read somewhere they were poor, he is a mailman and an accountant and then suddenly becomes an estate mogul or something with planes and a high roller in casinos. Has anyone figured that part out where this became a rags to riches story.
Is this a typical American life story or am I as a non-american missing something here?

In 11 years my SO has built an insanely successful residential real estate company. Like top 10 in the country. He started as a broke 18 year old. It's completely possible for someone to be self made in real estate. And if he was doing commercial real estate even more so.


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[DakotaMayi]

I don't know about a typical American life story but it's the American Dream, surely?

Yes. Just doesn't explain how he went from a to b.

 

[CARIIS]

There are lots of confusing tid bits in taxi footage. When her taxi is standing still the proximity of some rounds certainly sounds far closer than others.

Dramatically so.

When she does start driving you see sparks for a fourth story window?

Las Vegas taxi driver Cori Langdon

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas-taxi-video-shows-survivors-fleeing-mass-shooting/

Notions?

 

[white rabbit]

@ mrsu, look at the floor plan...the door on the upper left appears to lead into another room (the 2nd hotel room?)

perhaps swat busted through THAT door, not one of the doors to the hallway?

and there was a smoke alarm allegedly going off, due to the gunfire...so maybe the security guard was sent to the floor for that reason? IDK...

http://www.businessinsider.com/mand...oter-suite-2017-10/#heres-the-suites-layout-9

 

[DakotaMayi]

In 11 years my SO has built an insanely successful residential real estate company. Like top 10 in the country. He started as a broke 18 year old. It's completely possible for someone to be self made in real estate. And if he was doing commercial real estate even more so.


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Agreed. I'm in real estate. It's a real way up.

 

[zencompass]

I find myself reading the stories of ordinary people doing extraordinary acts of humanity.

During and after this heinous, inhumane act, the natural instinct for humanity to help one another motivated so many to save lives.

This is a part of this I want to remember, along with the victims, the wounded and everyone else affected by this evil act.

 

[DakotaMayi]

I find myself reading the stories of ordinary people doing extraordinary acts of humanity.

During and after this heinous, inhumane act, the natural instinct for humanity to help one another motivated so many to save lives.

This is a part of this I want to remember, along with the victims, the wounded and everyone else affected by this evil act.

Zen, you are one in a million. You always see the positive in everything. I love to see your handle appear on the threads. We all need some Zen-ness!

 

[CARIIS]

Yet LE have said there were signs that he really did expect to be able to get away.

Maybe the plan was for the car full of ammonium nitrate to go up, creating a situation in which the hotel was put under emergency evacuation and for him to be able to escape as part of that evacuation. Just another face in the crowd of frightened guests.

I have heard that too but I do wonder how he could possibly have believed that his location would not be easily determined.

His placment of cmeras indicate he anticpated a quick response which would really mean he had only two options kill himself or cops kill him.

Seemed fine with being dead -- he sent her a little money to help her along.

 

[zencompass]

Thank you dear AnaPisces,

It is because of the great compassion, insight and kindness found in all of the posts that brings me here. I can bring out my zen-ness because of everyone's deep caring and compassion found here.

You are all "one in a million" because of the support and compassion everyone brings to this site, during and after tragedy.

Whenever a tragedy happens I find myself on WebSleuths because of the extraordinary compassion you all have and show within your posts.

This is the first place I go to whenever anything that affects humanity happens. It's because of your profound humanity.

Thank you to all on this site. I have always found great comfort here, and I know I am not alone saying this.

 

[Hiandmighty]

In all fairness almost anyone could learn to make a bomb on the internet as well.


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Napalm. Etc.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Attorney for g/f is speaking live.

Saw it on FB~~~will find a link to post.

Oh~~maybe this was from yesterday???

 

[CARIIS]

IMO the notion regarding his financial reality has been established solely by the brother!!

As tid bits come out they contradict the image !

He was just a wild spender while if authentic the tip would piss off a Appleby's server!

He flies - his license expired ages ago!

GF reports he got a cheap ticket. Just does not sound like this price is no obstacle kinda guy.

I think some of possible myth about personal wealth might be exacerbated by reports of his gambling in 10000 increments.

We in internalize that as personal wealth- if he was laundering money or using money provided to support his cover as a full time gambler instead of a gun or drugs or whatever criminal angle - that is not his money -- its who he works for .

Just speculation but I am leaning more toward the general notion that in the past he may have had a reasonable lifestyle long ago and has been on a downside for some time.

None of the residences , however, are really much.

I think there is a rage as it relates to those being on the strip that night enjoying the strip while at the same time there was something also in the whole thing about revenge against an entity that in some way for the lst year threatened whatever criminal enterprise he has been earning money from .

I don't know like gang racketeering that kind of entity.

Top it off with a family history of mental illness on dads side.

It would be interesting to know if his dads side of the family had some schizophrenic history as well.

 

[KaaBoom]

Yet LE have said there were signs that he really did expect to be able to get away.

Maybe the plan was for the car full of ammonium nitrate to go up, creating a situation in which the hotel was put under emergency evacuation and for him to be able to escape as part of that evacuation. Just another face in the crowd of frightened guests.

Even if he had slipped away, what would he have done then? They would have still gotten him eventually. This was a classic lone wolf suicide mission. No way was he going to get out of there alive, and he knew it.

The Sheriff is just trying to spin this, to make it look like they stopped him. But the fact is they got to him almost an hour after he was already dead. They didn't stop him, he was finished. The Sheriff's opinion is based entirely on the fact that he had more guns and ammo in his car. I can think of at least three possible reasons for that. 1. Maybe he had all the weapons and ammunition he needed already in the room. 2. Maybe he didn't have time to bring the rest of it into the room. It must have taken him a lot of trips to carry all of what he had to the room. 3. Maybe he just forgot that he had more in the car. He had a lot of weapons there already. More than enough.

 

[dizzychick]

Bump Stock Video:
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/investigates/what-is-a-bump-stock-how-easy-is-it-to-get-one/480878674

 

[Isabelle]

First person account


http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-...ter-describing-escape-from-las-vegas-shooting

WOW!!! I have no words, except to pray that the PTSD those in attendance will abate in a short time. I've been there, it's a horrible life with PTSD.

 

[dizzychick]

Nothing was said about the canes in this video but she best have told the truth to the FEDS as this guys claims she played with his dogs for 1 1/2 hour. She was there with him for that long while he bought guns:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Garland-Gun-Shop-Sold-Pistols-to-Las-Vegas-Shooter-449514243.html

 

[What'sThatClue]

@ mrsu, look at the floor plan...the door on the upper left appears to lead into another room (the 2nd hotel room?)

perhaps swat busted through THAT door, not one of the doors to the hallway?

and there was a smoke alarm allegedly going off, due to the gunfire...so maybe the security guard was sent to the floor for that reason? IDK...

http://www.businessinsider.com/mand...oter-suite-2017-10/#heres-the-suites-layout-9

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-stephen-paddock-mandalay-bay/

At 11:20 p.m., officers first breached Paddock's room. They observed the suspect on the ground and noticed a second door they could not access. At 11:27 p.m., the second breach was set off, allowing officers to enter the second room. Officers quickly realized there was no one else in their rooms and announced that information over the radio.

 

[CARIIS]

Dad

http://www.newsweek.com/stephen-paddock-vegas-father-bank-robber-fbi-wanted-675787



Patrick Benjamin Paddock, also known as Benjamin Hoskins Paddock,


alias Benjamin Hoskins Paddock

[FONT=&quot]Benjamin Hoskins Paddock tried to run down an FBI agent with his car in Las Vegas in 1960 and wound up on the agency’s Most Wanted list after escaping from a federal prison in Texas in 1968, when Stephen Paddock was a teen.



[/FONT][FONT=&quot]oldest of four children, Paddock was 7 when his father was arrested for the robberies. A neighbor, Eva Price, took him swimming while FBI agents searched the family home.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]She told the Tucson Citizen at the time: “We’re trying to keep Steve from knowing his father is held as a bank robber. I hardly know the family, but Steve is a nice boy. It’s a terrible thing.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]An FBI poster issued after the escape said Benjamin Hoskins Paddock had been “diagnosed as psychopathic” and should be considered “armed and very dangerous.” He’d been serving a 20-year sentence for a string of bank robberies in Phoenix.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The elder Paddock remained on the lam for nearly a decade, living under an assumed name in Oregon. Investigators found him in 1978 after he attracted publicity for opening the state’s first licensed bingo parlor. He died in 1998.

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also went by the aliases "Big Daddy" and "Old Baldy." In 1971, an FBI agent described Paddock, then on the run, to the Tucson Daily News as "a glib, smooth-talking man who is egotistical and arrogant."

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1960, the older Paddock, then said to be 34, was accused of robbing at least three banks in Phoenix, according to archival newspaper accounts. He allegedly stole more than $20,000, the equivalent of around $165,000 today. In 1960, FBI agents reportedly arrested him in Las Vegas after a bank employee gave police information about the getaway car. He reportedly appeared in a lineup before bank employees and was later sentenced to 20 years in prison.
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[KaaBoom]

There are lots of confusing tid bits in taxi footage. When her taxi is standing still the proximity of some rounds certainly sounds far closer than others.

Dramatically so.

When she does start driving you see sparks for a fourth story window?

Las Vegas taxi driver Cori Langdon

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas-taxi-video-shows-survivors-fleeing-mass-shooting/

Notions?

I believe some of the rounds were being fired from right above where the taxi was parked. Others were being fired from the window on the other side of the building. So some of the shots were closer. She was very close to the shots being fired on that side of the building.