NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[CARIIS]

Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Dispatch Scanner police dispatch


the security guard chat starts at 1800 or so on the audio release

i am listening on YT so not sure about TOS

all along for some reason i had the visula that that the guard was somewhat close to actual door

wording here sounds more like he shot down the hall

There were long periods of loud gunfire anytime any of the cops open their mike i cant hear any (or sirens?) that just struck me on this listen

 

[CARIIS]

after that the boss that is up on the 32 floor says "It sounds like it is confirmed that there are at least two shooters"

By "sounds" I think he is referencing what
he hearing on the 32 floor?

Makes some sense I never understood the reason for two windows being broken

either was fine for intended action imo

in fact I think it is fair to say that the want was to shoot as many as possible - it seems to be having to run back and forth would lose some time

why not just stand in one a blast away

 

[Kakidoll]

[video=youtube;ozHZfwicCqI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozHZfwicCqI[/video]

full video of the vista suite from 2009... for layout. Why did he need the additional room? and why would they give it to him without reason? Even as a high roller, on that kind of weekend, they don't just throw in a room 'for fun', unless he told them he had a guest and needed 2 bedrooms. There is more to the story. Doors being unlocked between them, he had the room service cart in front of THAT door, not the suite door, per diagram. 2 exits, stairs right there. Easy for someone to slip out and into either another room or down the hall after the shooting started, or before police got there. TOO easy.

 

[CARIIS]

Now thats what finally some informative graphics in that article.

from here

t least 10 suitcases into his hotel suite over a period of time,

from the pic it hit me why break out a window that is behind the heavy actual curtain when there was panes with the light sheer curtains all over??

 

[Gardenista]

There are the 2 individual guest Hodge and Conrad. I can’t recall the 3rd name of the guest who SP made a complaint about the noise being too loud?

I can't remember the name either, but I think that's the one who didn't hear 200 rounds shot at the security guard at 9:59pm

 

[kaen]

They have to have data on if someone is wnning or losing. He had to have some major losses to keep getting perks.

Obviously he had money cuz he paid cadh for lots of stuff. I wonder how much he lost in relation to wins

There are such varying reports of his drinking. He sure couldn’t be sharp drinking.

I had a parent who was a functional alcoholic on a 5th of vodka everyday. Drove, was an RN in an ER, cooked dinner, etc. He may have been less sharp drinking but he could have been sauced overtime/many hours. Alcoholics will begin to emit a sickly sweet/foul odor from their pores which is often what people mean when they say they can smell the alcohol on them the next morning. It isn't a fresh alcohol scent.

I think he probably lost quite a bit over time, especially as he began to have more troubles in the last year/1/2 year. As a building owner, I am sure he sunk money into buildings and had lots of write-offs as well. It is remarkable that he made lots of money in his lifetime coming from the beginnings he had.

I will be very interested in his autopsy results re" alcohol, drugs, and disease.

 

[m00c0w]

from here

t least 10 suitcases into his hotel suite over a period of time,

from the pic it hit me why break out a window that is behind the heavy actual curtain when there was panes with the light sheer curtains all over??

It was likely an intentional choice to have the thick, heavy curtains at his shooting position. :moo:

 

[m00c0w]

[video=youtube;OVDYMnuyUXY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVDYMnuyUXY[/video]
Interesting interview that shows a little bit of a different picture...

 

[Elley Mae]

Video at link from inside the same room from one year prior.

........

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...ay-hotel-room-las-vegas-shooter-suite-2017-10

However, a person who says he was a guest in the same room published a video on Facebook of the huge suite. He said he and his wife had stayed there one year earlier.

 

[CARIIS]

[video=youtube;ozHZfwicCqI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozHZfwicCqI[/video]

full video of the vista suite from 2009... for layout. Why did he need the additional room? and why would they give it to him without reason? Even as a high roller, on that kind of weekend, they don't just throw in a room 'for fun', unless he told them he had a guest and needed 2 bedrooms. There is more to the story. Doors being unlocked between them, he had the room service cart in front of THAT door, not the suite door, per diagram. 2 exits, stairs right there. Easy for someone to slip out and into either another room or down the hall after the shooting started, or before police got there. TOO easy.

Coming to post similar notions after looking a the graphic in NYT

if you look at the big bold black line in the graphic it struck me as they were indicating that was the space he had .

It does not include the second room

it always struck me as odd that they said the door to that room was locked and they had to blow it open - which always struck me as odd

why would I lock a room that is supposed to be part of mine ?

I would leave the door all the time its my space

Just moo , in light of the recent discovery that they apparently cant get a simple investigative entity correct (time- despite there being cameras cell phones police radios dispatch calls calls from cops on the ground in there cars -- does imo - at least without it being this big conspiracy theory
that there might have been a person in that one separate room and another in his main room

little room someone fires 15 seconds and leave.

it sure as heck makes a lot more sense as it relates to breaking out two windows in two different rooms slowing down your time
frame to shoot - unless he is superman running from window to window does eat at your shooting time

just speculating tho

 

[CARIIS]

back to dispatch

cop directly says let see if we can the cameras on the 29 the floor to watch that floor

the notion that million dollar hotels do not monitor the majority of their properties never sounded viable to me

this is LV there is crime why would one not want their hotel covered?

brand new (relatively) elevators don't come with cameras?

I would think if someone had a heart attack in my elevators that might be helpful

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Definitely. It's hard to keep track!!

Confusion is to be expected in a massive event like this one. Has anyone here ever worked as a cops reporter? Early reports are often modified as facts come in, even on "small" events like wrecks and arrests. I can't begin to imagine how strained communications systems became in the immediate aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting. Everyone (the public) demanded/expected answers to everything within 24 or so hours, then flew into conspiracy rages when they didn't get it. Or if they got information about a developing investigation that was updated or changed. It's a catch-22. It's not "bad reporting." It's the nature of the beast. This investigation is bigly huge. The biggest.

I’m wondering if it’s just bad reporting all around. I feel like from the beginning it’s been questionable if he really had two rooms, or if it was just that he had the large suite that had a living area and a separate area with the bedroom. I remember being confused about this but so much has been changing I can’t keep track.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I've noticed dozens of members and visitors on the related media/timeline thread. People are using it. Anyone here have a few minutes to update it today with new shooting timelines and story links so we don't have to dig through multiple pages on this thread anytime we have the urge/need to cite something? Appreciate the help. TIA

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Vegas-1-October-2017&highlight=mandalay+media

 

[m00c0w]

After looking through more shaky youtube videos than I care to, I can't find any obvious cameras in the hallways of Mandalay Bay. There are definitely a ton in the casino itself, but I'm not sure how monitored the hotel's hallways really are.

 

[moonriverfarm]

I will ask again - WHAT would the motive be for denying a second shooter - if in fact there was one? What would it change?

 

[truthteller1]

Coming to post similar notions after looking a the graphic in NYT

if you look at the big bold black line in the graphic it struck me as they were indicating that was the space he had .

It does not include the second room

it always struck me as odd that they said the door to that room was locked and they had to blow it open - which always struck me as odd

why would I lock a room that is supposed to be part of mine ?

I would leave the door all the time its my space

Just moo , in light of the recent discovery that they apparently cant get a simple investigative entity correct (time- despite there being cameras cell phones police radios dispatch calls calls from cops on the ground in there cars -- does imo - at least without it being this big conspiracy theory
that there might have been a person in that one separate room and another in his main room

little room someone fires 15 seconds and leave.

it sure as heck makes a lot more sense as it relates to breaking out two windows in two different rooms slowing down your time
frame to shoot - unless he is superman running from window to window does eat at your shooting time

just speculating tho

He probably rented the room strictly as a buffer and never intended to use it. I doubt he wanted neighbors in an adjoining room.

 

[CARIIS]

in light of all the confusion it is interesting to listen to the dispatch stuff again

at 2800 roughly is when he says he has not heard shooting for about 10-15 min and they were still in the stairs?



3200 min in is when the swat guy starts whispering stuff

kinda think that regular cops were on scene
relatively quick but they had some problems launching the actual swat team -- this is just speculation

don't know who Swat is connected to cops or sheriff?

In a huge international story I have never heard the person who does the presser say nah we wont come back until the end of week

what if there is a tiny bit of info that if there was a presser today might trigger a clue

just because he is tired, and frustrated, imo does not translate to you just decide to take three days off from your duty -- a component of which is keeping the world up to date to the biggest event in our country since 911

imo sounds much more like we had better take some time and get our act together get our stories cleared up were losing control here and we better get it together

I did post from the beginning when the FBI was at the first presser that it seemed like there was a lot of conflict going between the agencies .

I do find the FBI guy first presser use of the word we will wont stop until we get to the truth possibly a profound notion

imo it is a very strange word choice and almost seemed more directed at the sheriff than the world

what is the opposite of the truth?

It is bothersome guys

It will be interesting to see if there is a change in the lead of the FBI involvement.
Like a new face on the podium this Friday

speculating only

 

[Gooddeeds]

back to dispatch

cop directly says let see if we can the cameras on the 29 the floor to watch that floor

the notion that million dollar hotels do not monitor the majority of their properties never sounded viable to me

this is LV there is crime why would one not want their hotel covered?

brand new (relatively) elevators don't come with cameras?

I would think if someone had a heart attack in my elevators that might be helpful

-I would have to verify before saying ‘firmly’ that in order to have the adequate and appropriate insured coverage, camera surveillance is a must for Hotels and other types of businesses as well. I would think there has to be a base regulation of sorts, combined with the personal choice of what the proprietor wants or needs.
*Liability*

 

[bears10]

He probably rented the room strictly as a buffer and never intended to use it. I doubt he wanted neighbors in an adjoining room.

Or maybe to use it if he had a *visitor* IYKWIM

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Considering police apparently haven't heard when he specifically shot himself, he could have shot himself before police ever even showed up at his door.
Per the new timeline, he shot security guard six minutes before he started shooting concert goers. When police made it to his door some 18 minutes after he shot the security guard, shooting already stopped, and as far as I can tell they haven't heard any additional shots.So he could have already shot himself dead before they ever made it to his door.

You're correct. 60 Minutes interviewed some of the officers, who said he was dead when they breached/entered his suite.


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