NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[Gooddeeds]

Also from your link..

Eric Paddock told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that he plans to put his brother's assets in a trust that would benefit the shooting victims.

So I guess the GF isnt executor of his estate.

-Eric is “making plans” again. It really would be great if he does that.

 

[enelram]

-Just throw that out there and see if anyone latches on to ‘200 incidents’. I would like to see the data footprint report on this investigated “200” find.

I thought the same. Show us!

 

[kittythehare]

I find this dubious. In all of the videos, there was zero indication he was using tracers. He may have used limited quantities of API ammo or something in the .308 to attempt to set off the fuel tanks, but I haven't heard any reporting that would lead one to believe that incendiary ammo was actually being used. If people were getting hit with it, that would be some of the first news out there. Why have exotic ammo if it wasn't going to be used?

I did read that he had attempted unsuccessfully to purchase tracer?
cNN ran story 5 days ago and this from Mailonline http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4955546/Las-Vegas-shooter-tried-buy-tracer-ammunition.html
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• A law enforcement official told CNN that Stephen Paddock attended a gun show in Phoenix, Arizona in recent weeks
• At the show, the 64-year-old allegedly tried to buy tracer ammunition from a vendor, but the vendor didn't have any to sell
• Tracer ammunition lights up to give shooters more accuracy targeting in darkness
• Without it, Paddock was likely firing indiscriminately at the crowd below, despite many of his guns being outfitted with scopes

​Is that accurate Moocow, please?

 

[m00c0w]

They stated that the tracer rounds were found in his room but that he did not use them. They also mentioned that this helped keep his position hard to discern from the ground/outside. They stated that he did however use the incendiary rounds. They also stated that the fire alarm going off is what brought the security guard's attention to him prematurely. I am looking for a link but don't see one yet. Wolf Blitzer just reported all of that .

Very interesting. I haven't seen this hitting the internet yet. Thanks for the live update.

 

[Gardenista]

I find this dubious. In all of the videos, there was zero indication he was using tracers. He may have used limited quantities of API ammo or something in the .308 to attempt to set off the fuel tanks, but I haven't heard any reporting that would lead one to believe that incendiary ammo was actually being used. If people were getting hit with it, that would be some of the first news out there. Why have exotic ammo if it wasn't going to be used?

I'm still not convinced Oct1 was the date he wanted to do this. If you look around on twitter, his valet records show his planned checkout date was Oct 4

 

[CARIIS]

The cant seem to get basic stuff right

initially reported as she worked at Atlantis

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/10/05/las-vegas-gunman-gambling-past-sidner-dnt-erin.cnn

 

[enelram]

-Eric is “making plans” again. It really would be great if he does that.

Yeah and the 90 yr. old mother will be Trustee. May be an attempt to thwart wrongful death suits.

 

[Spice]

I'm not familiar with this news source, but this is interesting about the acoustic analysis that allegedly proves there was a second shooter.
It does say that it's a natural health news publication so who knows.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-09-exclusive-forensic-acoustic-analysis-confirms-existence-and-range-of-second-las-vegas-shooter.html#

There is no second shooter at this point according to LE. And LE does not believe that this is the case as of today.

Natural News is not a reputable news source and is in fact a known source of Fake News and Conspiracy theories.

Friends Don't Let Friends Read Natural News

#NaturalNonsense: Science Supporters Condemn Natural News Founder Mike Adams

If you don’t know who Mike “Health Ranger” Adams is, he may be a steadfast presence in your social media newsfeed without your knowledge. Awarded the top slot on Real Clear Science’s “Worst Websites for Science in 2016” list, and with its founder touted by Dr. Oz as “the Renegade Health Ranger,” Natural News is a thorn in the sides of all who hold legitimate science dear. But bad science isn't Adams' only offense. Natural News is a fake news fixture, with articles on Obama birtherism, HIV/AIDS denialism, and the Sandy Hook tragedy as an elaborate hoax by FEMA to promote gun control. With the current uproar about fake news, the website and its founder should top lists of spurious source

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kavins...t-let-friends-read-natural-news/#110533186753

It is seriously so depressing how pervasive lies, fake news, and conspiracy theories have become in our culture. It feels like its never ending and it is frankly, a dangerous scourge.

 

[mrsu]

They stated that the tracer rounds were found in his room but that he did not use them. They also mentioned that this helped keep his position hard to discern from the ground/outside. They stated that he did however use the incendiary rounds. They also stated that the fire alarm going off is what brought the security guard's attention to him prematurely. I am looking for a link but don't see one yet. Wolf Blitzer just reported all of that .

Ugh! So was it a fire alarm or a door ajar alarm? Why would the fire alarm be going off if he hadn’t fired anything yet? Makes no sense.

 

[Spice]

Ugh! So was it a fire alarm or a door ajar alarm? Why would the fire alarm be going off if he hadn’t fired anything yet? Makes no sense.

Wait! My mistake. I think he did say a door was left open and caused the alarm. I'll go fix my post. Still waiting for a link.

 

[m00c0w]

I did read that he had attempted unsuccessfully to purchase tracer?
cNN ran story 5 days ago and this from Mailonline http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4955546/Las-Vegas-shooter-tried-buy-tracer-ammunition.html
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• A law enforcement official told CNN that Stephen Paddock attended a gun show in Phoenix, Arizona in recent weeks
• At the show, the 64-year-old allegedly tried to buy tracer ammunition from a vendor, but the vendor didn't have any to sell
• Tracer ammunition lights up to give shooters more accuracy targeting in darkness
• Without it, Paddock was likely firing indiscriminately at the crowd below, despite many of his guns being outfitted with scopes

​Is that accurate Moocow, please?

The basic premise, yeah. It's pretty accurate. I'd argue that tracer ammo is to give a better idea of where you're firing in all conditions, not just darkness. Usually you have a ratio of a certain number of ball ammo to tracer ammo, and the tracer ammo illuminates the path of the rounds to help you "walk" the automatic fire onto target.

I wouldn't say he was firing "indiscriminately", because he did have holographic sights. No idea what range he had zeroed them at, but it would have given him some indication of where he was shooting. It wasn't like he had absolutely nothing to go off of since he didn't use tracers. Not really sure what that matters, anyway.

 

[bears10]

The cant seem to get basic stuff right

initially reported as she worked at Atlantis

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/10/05/las-vegas-gunman-gambling-past-sidner-dnt-erin.cnn

Do you mean Mandalay otherwise I’m not smelling what you’re cooking

 

[Gardenista]

http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las-vegas-guard-20171010-story.html

New disclosure shows a casino guard alerted hotel to gunman before Las Vegas massacre began. So why did it take so long to stop him?

The revelation that hotel security had been alerted comes a day after Las Vegas police changed their timeline of how the Route 91 Harvest country music festival massacre started on Oct. 1 — not with an attack on a crowd along the Strip at 10:05 p.m., but with the shooting of Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos inside the hotel about six minutes before.

"He called it in before" the attack began, possibly using a hallway phone to contact hotel security, Clark County Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts told The Times in an interview. "He manually called down and he used his radio to call. … That's what we were briefed this morning."

 

[kittythehare]

There is no second shooter at this point according to LE. And LE does not believe that this is the case as of today.

Natural News is not a reputable news source and is in fact a known source of Fake News and Conspiracy theories.






https://www.forbes.com/sites/kavins...t-let-friends-read-natural-news/#110533186753

It is seriously so depressing how pervasive lies, fake news, and conspiracy theories have become in our culture. It feels like its never ending and it is frankly, a dangerous scourge.

Absolutely true. 100%! Thanks.

 

[m00c0w]

http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las-vegas-guard-20171010-story.html

New disclosure shows a casino guard alerted hotel to gunman before Las Vegas massacre began. So why did it take so long to stop him?

The revelation that hotel security had been alerted comes a day after Las Vegas police changed their timeline of how the Route 91 Harvest country music festival massacre started on Oct. 1 — not with an attack on a crowd along the Strip at 10:05 p.m., but with the shooting of Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos inside the hotel about six minutes before.

"He called it in before" the attack began, possibly using a hallway phone to contact hotel security, Clark County Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts told The Times in an interview. "He manually called down and he used his radio to call. … That's what we were briefed this morning."

More changes to the narrative... So is this to say that the security office did NOT notify police that there was a shooting taking place? Stranger and stranger.

 

[bears10]

http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las-vegas-guard-20171010-story.html

New disclosure shows a casino guard alerted hotel to gunman before Las Vegas massacre began. So why did it take so long to stop him?

The revelation that hotel security had been alerted comes a day after Las Vegas police changed their timeline of how the Route 91 Harvest country music festival massacre started on Oct. 1 — not with an attack on a crowd along the Strip at 10:05 p.m., but with the shooting of Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos inside the hotel about six minutes before.

"He called it in before" the attack began, possibly using a hallway phone to contact hotel security, Clark County Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts told The Times in an interview. "He manually called down and he used his radio to call. … That's what we were briefed this morning."

Wowza. Things are not looking good for Mandalay.

Out of curiously I checked how much it would be for a regular room, cheapest option possible, for someone with no comps or anything. I put the date as today. It was almost $300, not including taxes and fees. And that was for the option where you don’t even get a bed choice, they select for you when you check in. With all of the other places to stay in Vegas, I’d say Mandalay is going to be a hard pass for a lot of people. Especially gamblers. Terrible juju and many gamblers are really superstitious.

 

[Gooddeeds]

From CARIIS:
oh Campo heard drilling--so if in the new version if he already did what he wanted to what is he drilling afterwords


-i’m curious:
Drill>>>Shoot Campo>>>Shoot concert victims>>>

 

[kittythehare]

The basic premise, yeah. It's pretty accurate. I'd argue that tracer ammo is to give a better idea of where you're firing in all conditions, not just darkness. Usually you have a ratio of a certain number of ball ammo to tracer ammo, and the tracer ammo illuminates the path of the rounds to help you "walk" the automatic fire onto target.

I wouldn't say he was firing "indiscriminately", because he did have holographic sights. No idea what range he had zeroed them at, but it would have given him some indication of where he was shooting. It wasn't like he had absolutely nothing to go off of since he didn't use tracers. Not really sure what that matters, anyway.

Thank you.
It was stated that he broke 2 hotel windows, one facing N and the other facing E, though its quite possible I dont recall the N and E accurately, brainfried. I could not understand why. If his target audience/victims were in one of the locations why did he need a second firing site? Then the news broke that he had also targeted the oil drums..beside the small airport. I wondered whether this was in any way related to him losing his ability to pass medical for renewal of his pilot's licence 2010.. a possible motive..
Then news broke a little more that his first target was the oil tanks.. but he barely hit them.
His note included measurements including wind velocity and I am wondering whether these figures/calculations referred to people at concert below or the oiltank target..
Or perhaps he intended to use the tracers as decoy while he made his escape.. He could possibly have escaped following his shooting of the sG..
The gas masks , plural?, were to protect himself from lE tactics upon entry I imagine. They often announce their presence at terrorist attack locations with a flurry of smoke.. he knew this..

 

[CARIIS]

From CARIIS:
oh Campo heard drilling--so if in the new version if he already did what he wanted to what is he drilling afterwords


-i’m curious:
Drill>>>Shoot Campo>>>Shoot concert victims>>>

They may have gotten it wrong but it read like the drilling was after??

 

[Gooddeeds]

Yeah and the 90 yr. old mother will be Trustee. May be an attempt to thwart wrongful death suits.

-You said it!!! “An attempt to thwart”. Its about deals...whatever needs to be thwarted for cash flowwwww.
My speculation only, a tired one🤔