NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[CoolJ]

It’s an active investigation so I don’t think it’d be surprising for the feds to tell the local LE to STFU. The local LE probably feels a lot more emotional and wants to share more with the public but the feds know that it’s not a good idea right now. Especially since every time they release new info they get accused of lying or previously hiding things from the public.

Exactly!

 

[bears10]

And I don't believe that. The dispatch audio, the eye witnesses, the numerous personal videos tell a different story. I am not just pulling this out of my rear end. I am basing it on evidence.

Where do you think they are shooting from? I’m genuinely curious and not being sarcastic this time

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Jason Aldean, Eric Church, Sam Hunt, Lauren Alaina, Big & Rich, Lee Brice, Maren Morris and Jake Owen were all on the bill for the three-day, sold-out festival at Las Vegas Village, which attracted 25,000 guests a day to the same event last year.
The 15-acre plot near Luxor and Mandalay Bay is one of two open-air venues on the Strip owned by MGM Resorts International.

Country fans are these big acts??

In its inaugural year, when Aldean, Blake Shelton and Miranda Lambert headlined, the event lured 30,000 fans to a parking lot that had been converted into a festival space.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...e-shooting-festival-1506963143-htmlstory.html

Yes, these are well known singers, and many country music singers have loads of fans overseas. When they have had some of their concerts both here and internationally there were way more than 30K in attendance.

 

[bears10]

Exactly!

Exactly... meaning there’s a lot of info that the public is not entitled to know at this time bc it can compromise the ongoing investigation. Local LE has more of an emotional perspective. FBI is like no chill- the truth will come out and the public needs to wait bc we are in the middle of investigation the worst mass shooting in the country and if in the mean time some people on the internet want to accuse us of lying or whatever so be it.

 

[Ambitioned]

How you got that out of what I said I will never know. Holy cow.

 

[JLD333]

How you got that out of what I said I will never know. Holy cow.

Why would the Feds be muzzling LVPD?


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[kittythehare]

BBM



The tone is very "Alex Jones" in nature. And the spread of rumor and innuendo about a national tragedy does offend me. It is absolutely disrespectful to the victims, survivors, and families as well as first responders and civilians that placed their lives on the line that day. This whole attitude of MSM being the "enemy" and fake news and paranoia being the go to attitude can end up being the downfall of the fabric of our society. It's tedious, its tiresome, and its dangerous.

Please link to your information and sources and videos that are leading you to believe that LE is lying and not telling the truth in this situation. Otherwise I will assume that posts like these have their own agenda, and that agenda is not allowed here.

I hear you and I sympathise.
But, there are several anomalies in the very scanty information presented by the authorities.
I dont live in the uSA but I'm feeling it deeply.
This case is wide open.. we are sleuthing.. thats what we do here.. we seek to create catharsis among ourselves, with that comes a degree of healing and empowerment and maybe we undergo many changes in the course of that process. Its never a gentle process, its emotional, psychic and psychological process, we enter by joining in discussion about things we deeply care about. We get angry at eachother, we take on various roles at different stages of the process, we help eachother out by filling in gaps or a few words of reassurance here and there.
This is a mega world event.. people will get strung out, played even out, rise and sink with the waves and nodes.. its okay.. its cool.. all of it..
Its okay to explore question tease out, play devil's advocate...snark some, repent, get kinder, get angrier.. this is fast, its a whirlwind..
The past few years has conditioned us to terrorist attacks.. they happen and people/survivors heal eventually.. and we all kind of understand that there exists a process to get through the tunnel..people have done it.. we know about it.

at the outset this appeared to e a terrorist attack, isis even claimed it 3 times.. unusual.
But isis or LE have produced no evidence linking alleged perpetrator to isis or any other group and isis have not produced it either.
It then became a reasonless crime.
That is terrifying.
People are all kinds of hurt angry lashing out blaming, accusing.. all of it..
I think its all perfectly understandable...
We need a lot of strength to deal with eachother and support eachother now..
entire planet needs and desperately craves an outpouring of compassion.
I think that means open discussion on the possibilities..not rehashing supremacy theories or links to known conspiracy websites.. not everybody knows all of them..
Tumultous(spell) times on planet earth.

You were here last night when we did start a deep exploration of possibilities.. it was a good night for me and I appreciate your work and input and I totally understand and respect what you are saying..
I am personally veering from stark paranoia regarding conspiracy theories, many created out of utter malice, to ignoring every single theory, teasing out presented here in past 24 hrs or so..
If my mind was a wee bit tidier I would try to make some kind of a chart of our theories based on the information we have received.
Its okay to just ask
'how can that be?'
Theres a frightening amount of information we were given that makes no common sense at all.
And thats even before its 'redacted'.

 

[CoolJ]

Where do you think they are shooting from? I’m genuinely curious and not being sarcastic this time

I don't think anything. I don't know. I am not offering a full theory. I am just telling you what doesn't add up.

 

[CoolJ]

Why would the Feds be muzzling LVPD?


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I don't have the Why's to these questions folks. Wish I did. All I know for sure is that the story being fed is not the truth.

 

[SeesSeas]

 

[fred&edna]

Didn't know this:


"Use of the service elevator there is a perk for high-rollers, which not every casino company allows. "

http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-...on-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay


ETA (from same link above) "reason" for change in timeline:

As for the changing timeline involving Security Officer Jesus Campos, ABC News is reporting Las Vegas Metropolitan Police allowed Campos to leave town after talking to him.

The FBI realized there was something up with the timeline and brought him back to be re-interviewed.

The FBI insisted the sheriff make it public, but sources say the sheriff was reluctant.

 

[kiddynamitephilly]

There are no hotel surveillance cameras in the hotel hallway, only on the floor’s elevator banks, and the timestamps on the hotel’s communications systems have in some cases been inaccurate, hampering investigators’ ability to build an accurate timeline while they try to find a motive for the gunman, Roberts said.

More from that la times article. This is looking horrible for MB.

 

[bears10]

I don't think anything. I don't know. I am not offering a full theory. I am just telling you what doesn't add up.

Oh ok I thought you had a theory since you said the dispatch audio said different (than there being one shooter). So I was wondering what you heard on said audio to make you believe there was more than one shooter. I didn’t think you’d take witness testimony and use that as a theory since some of the eyewitness accounts of another shooter on a lower floor were discredited in MSM

 

[CoolJ]

There are no hotel surveillance cameras in the hotel hallway, only on the floor’s elevator banks, and the timestamps on the hotel’s communications systems have in some cases been inaccurate, hampering investigators’ ability to build an accurate timeline while they try to find a motive for the gunman, Roberts said.

More from that la times article. This is looking horrible for MB.

No videos in hotel hallways..... at the Mandalay Bay in VEGAS..... lol

 

[bears10]

I don't have the Why's to these questions folks. Wish I did. All I know for sure is that the story being fed is not the truth.

Can you provide sources since you know for sure that it’s not the truth per your previous statement?

 

[kiddynamitephilly]

Timestamps inaccurate is a problem

 

[bears10]

No videos in hotel hallways..... at the Mandalay Bay in VEGAS..... lol

Please look thru my post history. I’ve had to post multiple times bc people keep missing. 23 our of the 27 casino resorts do not have cameras in the hotel hallways!! We’ve been down this road so many times already.

 

[kiddynamitephilly]

The timeline presented as “truth/fact” last week is not “truth/fact” this week.

 

[CARIIS]

Didn't know this:


"Use of the service elevator there is a perk for high-rollers, which not every casino company allows. "

http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-...on-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay


ETA (from same link above) "reason" for change in timeline:

As for the changing timeline involving Security Officer Jesus Campos, ABC News is reporting Las Vegas Metropolitan Police allowed Campos to leave town after talking to him.

The FBI realized there was something up with the timeline and brought him back to be re-interviewed.

The FBI insisted the sheriff make it public, but sources say the sheriff was reluctant.

From your link

[FONT=&quot]"The question is was he--was the security officer shot before the suspect was shooting into the crowd. The answer to that is yes, we believe he was shot--I'm sorry--that we believe that he was shooting into the crowd and then the security officer was shot during that event."

[/FONT]ugh oh

 

[kiddynamitephilly]

I was pointing to inaccurate time stamps