NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

[Iona]

Well the Sheriff gave us nothing to work on, at least NY Times guys dug something out. From the article that was linked before, here is some reading for you guys and girls, in raw format as we sleuthers like it. Psychiatric evaluation of Bingo Bruce aka Paddock sr.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...nix-Criminal-15713-Governments-Exhibit-1.html

Lol! Thanks Komodo! He could have used the same thing and I would have felt a little better ...

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[kittythehare]

From the document, it's interesting how its reported that his father was employed for only several months with Greyhound as a driver, then moved to AZ and was able to purchase 2 gas stations. Apparently his son had the same knack for making big investments with money that comes out of nowhere. :thinking:

It was interesting..
His very pale grey eyes.
Diagnosis- sociopath.. not psychopath..

It was a good description.. could almost hear the patients voice...

I must read it a few times..
old style gangster , kind of...

I wonder at his relationship with his wife.. he did manage to retain his wife while he was in prison the first and second times..

chose prison above the psychiatric institution.. wonder what that was about.. what did he believe about mental hospitals?

 

[m00c0w]

It was interesting..
His very pale grey eyes.
Diagnosis- sociopath.. not psychopath..

It was a good description.. could almost hear the patients voice...

I must read it a few times..
old style gangster , kind of...

I wonder at his relationship with his wife.. he did manage to retain his wife while he was in prison the first and second times..

chose prison above the psychiatric institution.. wonder what that was about.. what did he believe about mental hospitals?

I'm pretty sure prison might have been preferable to some of the "treatments" of the time at a mental hospital. JMO

 

[Iona]

All of which we had known anyway..
he really just addressed his own prior inaccuracies, didn't he?

That's it, and that's all...

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[Betty P]

The full video of today's press conference is at this link for anyone who didn't see it earlier:

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/

ETA: Nope, try this one:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-police-hold-press-conference-on-deadly-shooting-live-updates/

 

[Spice]

Good Article from WaPo following today's press conference :

It breaks down all of the changes in the timeline as well. It really is confusing.

The sheriff has defended the changes to the official timeline, saying this was because of police being transparent with the public. He has also warned it could change again.

Experts cautioned that it can take time for even basic information about what occurred during events like the one in Las Vegas to come together.

“I see this as being ridiculously hard on the people who are trying to get information out, get the totality of that story,” said Daniel J. Oates, who was the police chief in Aurora, Colo., when a gunman opened fire in a movie theater there in 2012. “This stuff takes time.”

Oates said Lombardo is dealing with a massive event that “eclipses anything prior,” noting the sheer number of people killed and injured, the way the gunman attacked and the venue where it occurred. He also said the sheriff is trying to balance an investigation with demands from the media and the public for information.

“I’m not surprised this is so difficult to manage . . . and that there are inaccuracies in reporting and things that have to be changed and corrected,” Oates, now the police chief in Miami Beach, said in a telephone interview Friday. “No one should take anything sinister from that on the law enforcement end. Everyone is trying hard.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-concert-massacre/?utm_term=.91e125461a04

 

[Gooddeeds]

Yes,yes and yes...

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-Yes. And this is where I feel we experience the cost of desensitization. In essence being dumbed down. When one begins to throw it in the basket with everything else it can be easily muddled...subtle and over time it takes its own form.

-There is an order to everything. Its not perfect, but I think we should always aim for it with hopeful expectation.

 

[m00c0w]

Steven Paddock checked into the suite on the 28th. LE asked the hotel when SP checked into the suite and the hotel gave him the correct answer.

The fact that he had checked into another room in the hotel on the 25th wasn't known at the time. This isn't a coverup, it's just the normal process of an investigation. It takes time to collect all the details and sort them out.

With the dates, I don't think they're necessarily covering anything up other than mistakes they made. He made two statements - they knew about it in the early parts of the investigation, and that they were confused by it in the early parts of the investigation. Those don't really reconcile with each other, nor explain why it took so long for the actual dates to be corrected in the media. This would be a prime example of why people are getting frustrated at LVMPD.

 

[Gooddeeds]

“Experts cautioned that it can take time for even basic information about what occurred during events like the one in Las Vegas to come together” (WaPo)

-Not this basic info. You might as well go on to a new and different story.

 

[Gooddeeds]

With the dates, I don't think they're necessarily covering anything up other than mistakes they made. He made two statements - they knew about it in the early parts of the investigation, and that they were confused by it in the early parts of the investigation. Those don't really reconcile with each other, nor explain why it took so long for the actual dates to be corrected in the media. This would be a prime example of why people are getting frustrated at LVMPD.

-Agreed! We can continue to hammer out all of our good questions, and our great observations about this or that, but we are stalled in gaining information without the truth.

 

[kittythehare]

Good Article from WaPo following today's press conference :

It breaks down all of the changes in the timeline as well. It really is confusing.





https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-concert-massacre/?utm_term=.91e125461a04

It totally is.
By not addressing the anomalies more efficiently and filling in those gaps outlined in article shows he does not have a grasp of whats expected of him or what his role should be..
We're talking a 10-15 minute presser.
He could have got it right...

 

[Spice]

It was interesting..
His very pale grey eyes.
Diagnosis- sociopath.. not psychopath..

It was a good description.. could almost hear the patients voice...

I must read it a few times..
old style gangster , kind of...

I wonder at his relationship with his wife.. he did manage to retain his wife while he was in prison the first and second times..

chose prison above the psychiatric institution.. wonder what that was about.. what did he believe about mental hospitals?

In that era of mental health care and psych institutions , he probably made the right choice. lol.

 

[kittythehare]

-Agreed! We can continue to hammer out all of our good questions, and our great observations about this or that, but we are stalled in gaining information without the truth.

Thats the whole problem..
They control the information flow now and they control the narrative too..
Disempowering all and sundry.

did he cry for the victims in previous pressers?
they were just numbers today.. genderless, ageless- commodities..

 

[kittythehare]

In that era or mental health care and psych institutions , he probably made the right choice. lol.

LOLOL
ect ecect......

 

[MistyWaters]

The story behind JC's non-appearance last night on Hannity and others. May also be the reason he was "out of town".

"Jesus Campos, the Mandalay Bay security guard who first encountered mass shooter Stephen Paddock, vanished Thursday afternoon hours before planned interviews with five TV networks, his union president said Friday.

“The union doesn’t have any idea where he’s at at this time,” said David Hickey, international president of the International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America, which represents security guards at Mandalay Bay.

Hickey said he had been with Campos for the last four days, along with another union member, helping him prepare for media interviews. He said Campos was staying in a Las Vegas-area hotel suite, with a living room and an adjoining bedroom.

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&#8220;It&#8217;s a strange story,&#8221; Hickey said. &#8220;But it is what it is.&#8221;

Hickey said Campos was scheduled to do the Sean Hannity show on Fox News at about 6 p.m. Thursday from a local TV studio. After that, he was going to do interviews with NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...skips-tv-interviews-after-las-vegas-shooting/

 

[Deleted member 158085]

You act like conspiracy theories are novel to these events. I’ve never heard a chief LEO give these theories credence by addressing them. It’s unnecessary. He doesn’t have to address any of it, just put out facts.

I don't know. I suspect if he didn't address them, he'd be dinged by people who think he should and who might even claim more reason for CT based on his not addressing them. Seems he probably can't win in this situation.

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[Spice]

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo today again adjusted the timeline of events surrounding the Oct. 1 mass shooting on the Las Vegas Strip, now saying a Mandalay Bay security guard was shot close to the same time the gunman opened fire on a festival crowd, not six minutes earlier.


The new timeline coincides with a statement issued Thursday by MGM Resorts International that said no more than 40 seconds elapsed between the time the guard was wounded and the gunman started shooting from a 32nd-floor hotel room into a crowd of 22,000 people at the Route 91 Harvest festival.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/oct/13/sheriff-again-adjusts-timeline-of-strip-shooting/

 

[Deleted member 158085]

You act like conspiracy theories are novel to these events. I’ve never heard a chief LEO give these theories credence by addressing them. It’s unnecessary. He doesn’t have to address any of it, just put out facts.

I'm also going to point out that I have heard LEO address CT before. Specifically, they addressed it via Facebook during the Crystal Rogers disappearance in Kentucky. So it's not unheard of. LEO thought it was impeding the investigation.

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[Spice]

Thats the whole problem..
They control the information flow now and they control the narrative too..
Disempowering all and sundry.

did he cry for the victims in previous pressers?
they were just numbers today.. genderless, ageless- commodities..

BBM

He cried when hailing heroes by name and while telling the stories of their heroic acts, running toward danger, and attempting to save lives while under fire. He was n't talking about victims, although, I do not doubt that he aches for them as well. Who doesn't? The amount of bloodshed that night is stunning. I can only imagine what his eyes have seen going over the evidence in this investigation.

Lombardo also highlighted the heroics of three officers during the attack, fighting back tears as he told their stories.

He slapped the podium before ending the press conference with two words: “Vegas strong.”

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/oct/13/sheriff-again-adjusts-timeline-of-strip-shooting/

 

[Gardenista]

Interview with under sheriff from Oct 10. Can't keep up with all the posts, so not sure if it's been linked here before.

What I learned.

1. The gun in the bedroom where the other window was broken was a single shot rifle that was used to shoot at the fuel tanks.
2. First shots on Campos were single, then "unloaded a significant' number of rounds" down the hallway.
3. He was asked about the girl who said she was warned people were going to die. Their way of disproving it is they reviewed all the images they found of Paddock before the event and shooter didn't meet with anyone before the shooting Sheriff did say they have not completely disproved her account.
4. Over 1000 rounds were fired
5. Not one shot was fired by a police officer
6. They haven't figured out who leaked the photos of the shooter
7. Paddock made multiple trips to the room over the days
8. Shooter wasn't wearing a bullet-proof vest
9. Shooter drilled out the peephole in the door
10. Sheriff declined to comment on bump stocks

[video=youtube;CsiPYfgYcBI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsiPYfgYcBI[/video]