NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

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I'm confused. Are they saying that the mass shooting began immediately after the security guard was shot?

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no, they are saying it started as he was reporting it, but does not allude to time he made his first report which could have been a few minutes as he had to get out of the way of fire and take cover and save sg2 etc etc
 
Sounds like the time discrepancy is due to manual recording of the call from security, i.e., written on paper after looking at one’s watch to see what time it was. My watch has to move a certain amount to keep it running and if I don’t wear it for a day or two it stops. I have to reset the time and I’m not always right.
 
Could access to the hotel recordings be one of the 'obstacles' being allegedly kept from FBI??
We're getting news reports from hotel and sheriff who seems not to accurately know- where is FBI on this?
Not in reality, there is no choice but to hand them over and now... It is a matter of National Security ...

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This is a video that was actually discussed a few threads ago. It's been out for many days, and I haven't seen anything to discredit it.

As for some of your questions:
Why can't we hear the police firing back?
Police have never said they actually shot at him. There was some talk about "engaging the suspect" at some point, but it's been made clear since then that the police just waited outside trying to be as quiet as possible before the breach, and then he was dead upon breach. The interview on 60 Minutes helps with this timeline a little.

Why can't we hear the police when they used the explosive?
Looking at the room, there's a considerable distance between the window and the door. Furthermore, the explosives happened approximately an hour after he stopped shooting. He shot for about 10-12 minutes, and police didn't breach until 72 minutes. It would not be audible in this video.

Why is the last two gunshots as loud as the shots when he was hanging out the window?
He was very close to the window when he shot himself (as seen in leaked pictures). If you listen closely (or have firearms experience), you can tell that the two shots are definitely a lower power than previous shots. He also likely wasn't "hanging out the window", but firing back from within the room to conceal his location when he was shooting with the rifles.

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Thank you for this well thought out reply and information. It makes sense to me.

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no, they are saying it started as he was reporting it, but does not allude to time he made his first report which could have been a few minutes as he had to get out of the way of fire and take cover and save sg2 etc etc

He had to save himself too and I don’t blame him a bit for that delay.
 
Do you honestly believe that concealed carriers would pull out a firearm and start randomly shooting in a general direction? I don't think that's as likely as you do.

I never said random shooting in a general direction took place, highly irresponsible.

But at the time, nobody knew what was going on. How many shooters? where were they? ambush? slaughter a large crowd of people like sheep? I can only imagine but it must've been horrific, almost like a warzone. All kinds of heroic actions, including people who lost their lives by shielding others with their bodies to protect them.

So, yes, in my opinion it's not out of the realm of possibilities that others within the crowd, amidst the panic, also did what they believed was the right thing at the time in order to defend themselves.

Obviously this is only my theory but if stray bullets are found on the ground, self-defence is a possible reason.
 
Ride on the high speed elevator from the
hotel .

they have been updated (the elev) I am going to assume updated means faster but what the heck!

32 sec ride !



[video=youtube;_bFtbfBd9YA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFtbfBd9YA[/video]
That actually hurts their case! Lol!!![emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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Ok, I'm thinking more about this drilling. Does it make sense that SP would walk all the way down the hall to the emergency stairwell with a drill, a screwdriver, plywood, etc. (all the things needed to secure the door) and then spend a significant amount of time and make lots of noise to secure the door, while just leaving the elevator wide open as direct access for the police to the 32nd floor?

I'm thinking he was drilling, screwing, securing HIS hotel door from the inside. Maybe SG1 showed up to ask about the noise and SP saw him on his cameras and shot through the door (the smaller number of bullets we saw in the photo). Then maybe he leaned out his hotel room door and sprayed bullets down the hall. Would explain how SG1 just got hit in the leg and not killed. The more I think about it, I don't think SP was out in the hallway with a tool belt securing the exit door.....
 
Sounds like the time discrepancy is due to manual recording of the call from security, i.e., written on paper after looking at one’s watch to see what time it was. My watch has to move a certain amount to keep it running and if I don’t wear it for a day or two it stops. I have to reset the time and I’m not always right.

Or it could be bc MGM doesn’t want to or has been advised by their legal team to dispute that it took them so long to report the shooting after JC reported it to them.
 
I think we may have just located the reason why the Sheriff lied and lied and then had to lie a dash more .

He has got 26 minutes before just the call for SWAT was made
...............................................


10:25-32: A clearer idea of the shooter's location emerges, and a team gets to the gunman's floor.
"It's Room 135 on the 32nd floor. I need SWAT."


"We have a four-man element at the very end of the hall."

The only thing up there was reg cops there not trained in all this stuff


: 11:02


At the same time, the channel becomes flooded with reports of shots fired in no fewer than a half-dozen casinos across the Las Vegas Strip


11:19-20:
breach breach breach

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response


 
I'm confused. Are they saying that the mass shooting began immediately after the security guard was shot?

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Tney're saying it occured 40 seconds after the security guard radioed in.

But no mention of how long the security guard waited before he radiod after he was shot. Presence of maintenance man is also once again niled out.
 
Ok, I'm thinking more about this drilling. Does it make sense that SP would walk all the way down the hall to the emergency stairwell with a drill, a screwdriver, plywood, etc. (all the things needed to secure the door) and then spend a significant amount of time and make lots of noise to secure the door, while just leaving the elevator wide open as direct access for the police to the 32nd floor?

I'm thinking he was drilling, screwing, securing HIS hotel door from the inside. Maybe SG1 showed up to ask about the noise and SP saw him on his cameras and shot through the door (the smaller number of bullets we saw in the photo). Then maybe he leaned out his hotel room door and sprayed bullets down the hall. Would explain how SG1 just got hit in the leg and not killed. The more I think about it, I don't think SP was out in the hallway with a tool belt securing the exit door.....

The way it has been presented has been that he was doing something in his room that Campos heard, and went to check out while he was on the floor. Then the shooting started, then maintenance showed up. I don't think he was doing anything outside of the vicinity of his room when discovered. :moo:
 
there is nO evidence of a second shooter but if msm reports are to be believed they are describing what is impossible..
Thats the problem.
"They" being who? MSM, Security, or LE? Because I'm not buying what security is saying until LE confirms this as truth. Security reporting a timeline that takes responsibility for a 6 minute gap in calling 911 off of them does not mean there is a great possibility of a second shooter in my mind.

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Ok, I'm thinking more about this drilling. Does it make sense that SP would walk all the way down the hall to the emergency stairwell with a drill, a screwdriver, plywood, etc. (all the things needed to secure the door) and then spend a significant amount of time and make lots of noise to secure the door, while just leaving the elevator wide open as direct access for the police to the 32nd floor?

I'm thinking he was drilling, screwing, securing HIS hotel door from the inside. Maybe SG1 showed up to ask about the noise and SP saw him on his cameras and shot through the door (the smaller number of bullets we saw in the photo). Then maybe he leaned out his hotel room door and sprayed bullets down the hall. Would explain how SG1 just got hit in the leg and not killed. The more I think about it, I don't think SP was out in the hallway with a tool belt securing the exit door.....
There were no reports of shooter walking in hallway, he was drilling door of his own room when campos allegedly heard the drilling noise. The stairwell door had been drilled earlier.
all the shots he took were from within his room, either through the door or while peeking out..
 
I love writing about absurd! It just flows thro my head!

Pls take that approach on this post !! We have all earned a brief levity break!

Ugh oh

Houston we have a problem -- I have never been able to ascertain if the long shots of the hallway were the actual floor

i am sorry to say --that this legendary reporter from CBS news

starts his his piece with for the first time we are going to see the 32 floor

now the problems start

200 bullets down the hallway

well, take a look for yourselves --if anyone notices anything looks like one bullet pls advise

Whats amazing is they do closeups

look at the wall right behind the cart gorgeous just gorgeous ! I am jealous - my stuff looks worse and I have not been playing with machine guns in here !!

look at the door right next to door that was supposedly blown out by SWAT - on its hinges - not even a bit out of line . Again my door are a little more off kilter - even if I have accidently closed them to fast!!

Some pretty awesome hinges if ya ask me !

The molding around the entire area right where doors are blown out are right on the mark IMO!

then in the beginning of this -when people started looking for spent shell casings , when the pics were "leaked" (insert smile now ) the notion was that he was blowing everything up in front of the curtain so all the spent shell casings were actually all behind the curtain.

Ok then - we will just say for some reason the curtains did not go down in a blazing inferno - what do i know ?

Smokey the Bear wants some of that material !!

now with this video per our Sheriff 200 rounds were fired .

So now in my head with a close up for the first the first time I eagerly look around and freeze the video to see all the spent casings in front of the door on the inside- that was just shot out around 200 times with a high power machine gun.

He appears to have had some OCD concerns - but even I actually talk myself out of the short preview that possibly he vacuumed or swept or mopped up the area before turning around to go some smash some windows out and start murdering people .

I quickly put this in the no column and moved on!

What do I discover - does not even need a vacuum . I want carpeting or a vacuum that can make my carpet explosion free no matter what!

the close up of the machine gun on the tripod , on the floor , looks like it could be in the machine gun hall of fame museum!

It is not even , at least , on a little bit of an angle -- a tiny bit off kilter !

Nope she stands all perfect and pretty on her tripod!! If she was a stewardess , for Pan Am , in the 50;s her instructor would praise her for perfect posture!

There is a mass murderer running around, there are are 200 bullets swirling about , swat is bombing doors off its hinges (well not really!) for some reason the machine gun on its tripod looks like it is smiling for selfie !!

But study some more !!

Apparently the hotels TV screens are SWAT bomb breaching dynamite scratch resistant coated with something.

It also appears as if the tv is saw dust resistant (from exploding doors) as well.

This stuff aint built in China - thats for sure !

Makes the Samsonite luggage elephant commercial look lam!

Oh come now, that is funny for us old folks!

Man I am liking this hotel more and more!!

It appears there baseboards outside the door are also exploding door proof.

Could I make some money if I suggest that our defense department use this material on all our new tanks??

We all need to find the name of the contractor who built their joint!

From the get go I was envious about how awesome and perfect the crime scene tape was put up.

When I am rested , have not seen and heard WW2, lived through 90 minutes of madness ( well I have done that before but you know what i mean) I could not get masking tape that perfect !!

The fire extinguishers they purchase seem to be saw dust resistant from blowing up doors as well !

My glass does not look that good after Windex!

Oi vey

Even there exterior light glass dome covering the bulb right next to the blown out door appears to be exploding doors unbreaking bomb concussion proof !

I dont get how stupid they have been . or how stupid they think most of us are

[video=youtube;2HFzEGFtpgQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HFzEGFtpgQ[/video]
 
The way it has been presented has been that he was doing something in his room that Campos heard, and went to check out while he was on the floor. Then the shooting started, then maintenance showed up. I don't think he was doing anything outside of the vicinity of his room when discovered. :moo:

Well Houston ... the plot clots. Wasn't it reported that the SG or ? went to the 32nd floor because the smoke detector/alarm was going off? That would have been after quite a bit of shooting I would think.
 
I think we may have just located the reason why the Sheriff lied and lied and then had to lie a dash more .

He has got 26 minutes before just the call for SWAT was made
...............................................


10:25-32: A clearer idea of the shooter's location emerges, and a team gets to the gunman's floor.
"It's Room 135 on the 32nd floor. I need SWAT."


"We have a four-man element at the very end of the hall."

The only thing up there was reg cops there not trained in all this stuff


: 11:02


At the same time, the channel becomes flooded with reports of shots fired in no fewer than a half-dozen casinos across the Las Vegas Strip


11:19-20:
breach breach breach

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response



-This really has been a maze of a timeline. I do think we are dealing with a wider gap of time than anyone involved has been able to identify. I’m referring to the ones that appear honest so far, not the story tellers (they have wasted enough of our time). Knock-knock, no one is there.
 
There were no reports of shooter walking in hallway, he was drilling door of his own room when campos allegedly heard the drilling noise. The stairwell door had been drilled earlier.
all the shots he took were from within his room, either through the door or while peeking out..

Then there's the early report that indicated JC was investigating a "door open alarm" and the shots came through the door of SPs room. Iirc the officer on 60 minutes described that same door looking like "Swiss cheese" when the team arrived on the 32nd floor. All very confusing.
 
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