NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

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Getting harder to find msm articles about this tragedy... everything's about the Weinstein sex assaults.
One thing that stuck out to me was : When the news broke about the shooting, photos soon followed. It looked at first like it happened earlier in the day.
But no -- when the musician ran off the stage-- the large screen of his performance was turned off----and it appeared like floodlights were turned onto the crowd that was being fired on !!!
Where the shooting might have been the worst-- it was lighted up like DAYTIME.
Even DM's photos of the bodies where they were laying-- it was very light.
Makes no sense at all.

A little curious about the hotel security guard disappearing-- but my first thought is that he likes his privacy ?
Some people don't care for the limelight... even if they're being declared a 'hero'.
:moo:
 
There are thousands of victims sharing there experiences on line.

There are cues that enable one (just like in life) that allow one to gage authenticity.

We are all concerned about the victims -- this is a very early investigation.

LE has done many victims great harm, by declaring instantly that it was the 64 year old dude.

That is emotionally horrible for the thousands of victims that were miles away from MB who heard and ran and hid from sounds of gunfire.

There are pics ( I know pics can be altered and photoshopped and remade and phoney and are CT and are agenda based)

The reality is there a pics that are pics - that have not been run tho Pixar sound effects studio!

There are pics from folks in hotels away from MB that show the identical images as foks across from MB

I f I heard there was an active shooter a mile away from here I would not be hiding in my closet.

So what the one shooter folks are actually saying is the thousands of other victims too far away to hear MB shots, that they and everyone around them suddenly at the same instant started running all over the place.

Human behavior responds to sound of threat .

There just cant be 1000's of CT down the strip on YT making up stuff editing videos , creating mass hysteria at hotels away from the place.

There is no reason for hotels far away to be running guests up to the highest or lowest part of their establishments casue something bad was happening a mile and a half away.

At the end of the day ---we must think about like this -- if it was more than a 64 year old guess what

they are still out there .........................

Who's "still out there"?
 
I was in a stairwell when the 15 tornadoes hit Nashville years ago. Just when you thought it had passed and you were safe to go home, the radio would say that another was spotted in the direction you were headed. So we were terrified for hours, not knowing where to go.

While in that stairwell as the tornado took out the trees in the park across the street (killing someone) and hit the building next to us, it sounded to me like a plane flying on top if us, that kind of roar. Yet to other people it sounded like a train.

Who was right? I was able to live right next to a train for 15 years after this, yet I still duck when a plane flies low overhead. That's my PTSD from it all these years later. But I'm sure that others who were in the stairwell with me might have the same reaction to the sound of a train and not a plane as I do.

Point is that dozens of us had the same experience, yet the experience in our heads is quite different as to what it sounded like to us.

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I was standing in front of the stage when the bomb went off in Olympic Park and it knocked me off my feet.
I saw a lot of dead people and people bleeding out, dying, as I ran out of the park in fear of another bomb.
It turned out only one woman died from the shrapnel of the bomb, and one man died of a heart attack. Two deaths, total.
All the dead people was my misinterpretation of the scene.
Also, by the time we ran far enough away to be safe, we were taken into the Marriot which was NBC's logistical headquarters.
We told them there was a bomb, they asked, "have you ever seen a bomb before?" which was proof we didn't know what we were talking about, I guess, and then they calmly told us it was a blown electrical transformer by the venue. We insisted it was a bomb.
Within minutes, they got the message because they all started gathering their things and running around, getting to work.
LE investigations get to the truth because what we see with our own eyes isn't always real, especially in the face of tragedy.
 
money money and then money followed by money because of money

follow the money and all ones questions will be answered!

That would require an investigation.

Thus far zip

They are still investigating the slaughter. It is ongoing. It is fluid. We have fact. We do not have zip. We just do not have the entire picture in 16 measly days.


The dudes net worth can be determined in half a month by 100 FBI agents

Who said they did not determine his net worth? They may have not released it yet, and it may have nothing to do with the his murderous rampage.

The dept of Treasury has its own department of forensic money trials
See above.

IMo they can never reveal this.

That is a wild assumption.

Pure speculation -- he was laundering money from illegal gun sales .

Speculation, not fact, if it is fact it will be revealed in the investigation and reported. Not sure how he would have had the time to do this seeing as he gambled 14 hours per day, 365 days per year as per his own words. There are only 24 hours in a day.

It is perfect. The hotel receives a dash of money for facilitating the operation , Janet Air is right across the street.

WHAT?

I just don't think mass killers arrange their magazines of ammunition in nice little pretty presentation piles.

Why? He was an impulsive and compulsive person, and personality, as evidenced by his "professional gambling" . HE was also meticulous as evidenced by his planning. Why is this out of line with what we know thus far?

Marketing is everything.

Please elaborate? Marketing of what? A mass slaughter at your hotel that relies on the tourism industry? Which now has your hotel forever marred by the horrific slaughter of innocents ? Can you please elaborate on this statement? There is not enough information in it for me to garner where it is heading or what it is insinuating.


Mass shooters are putting two chairs together to make a nice little pretty cradles for weapons that kill.

Why is this weird? People do a lot of subconscious things, there is a lot to be read in a crime scene, there is an entire branch of the FBI dedicated to human behavior and profiling. I don't see what is suspicious about this. Can you elaborate?

Speculating - I think it might have been a sting that went very wrong, moo speculating like we do here.

What kind of "sting"? Usually, we speculate on facts, where the facts released take us, what facts have been released thus far that point to a sting?

But after entertaining the possibility (it isonly a possibility -- speculation ) that a group of of bad people immersed themselves in an active shooter exercise that makes it all the more confusing .

What group of bad people? What immersion of an active shooter exercise? Please provide a link for this assertion. Thank you.

Buy some little bright yellow vests and yor in.

Another poster has already addressed the little bright yellow vests, they are Hi Res Vests, used by first responders during mass casualties, sometimes by mandate, the poster provided a link as well. Why is this speculation being repeated again?


But with just that possibility then it gets realy complicated.

What are you referring to, what is causing the speculation, and do you have an MSM link?


We all certainly know that our govt engages in lots of black op stuff -- that is not some crazy CT-- that fact.
It is fact, but to insinuate that our govt would engage in "black op stuff" against innocent concert goers purposely causing their horrific slaughter is a baseless insinuation and and a conspiratorial insinuation. Are there any reliable and credible MSM links to provided that this attack was connected to our government?


The Patriot act stuff.

What about the Patriot Act? And what stuff? And how is it connected to LV? Can you elaborate?


All of this tho is just a willingness to explore other options than what was thrown out in the first 24 hours and have pretty well gone nowhere.

The first 24 hours is "breaking news" and chaos. There should be no reasonable expectation that the entire picture would emerge one day into the chaos. WE know more today than we did in those first 24 hours , so how has it gone "Nowhere"?

I think it is just some of us , its much to early in this investigation , to say if it was a 64 year old dude , or a planned event.

This is a conspiracy theory, it is not a willingness to engage in "speculation" or what we do here. There is absolutely no evidence to support this whatsoever. And if there is evidence, and you have read a credible source espousing that this was a planned event, please share your MSM or LE link so that we can discuss. I would be happy too with a credible MSM link.


At this point one thing has been established that whatever it was it was a very very organized , planned, mapped out event.

Yes, by the shooter. The one, dead by suicide, shooter. He was very organized and very meticulous as he apparently was in his real estate business and apparently how he was in his gambling pursuits.

Which jmo tends to make me lean more toward an organization as opposed to a 64 year old , unfit, dude with a valium RX, who has spent hours sitting in a chair .

Link please? There is no evidence of this thus far.

The only pic we have is some old dude , clearly blasted out of his mind , attempting to get a shot of booze up to his mouth.

How do we assume he was "clearly blasted " out of his mind? Have you ever had a photo taken of you where your eyes were shut? Were you intoxicated in every one of them? Also Caris, I have seen more than one photo of the shooter published in MSM. One when he was younger, and others in the Philippines from a few years ago when he was visiting MD's family. It is simply not the truth that we only have one photo of him.

Obviously if it was only him then we do have to say this old dude did everything all by himself.

He did a lot of things "by himself" and appears to have been a self starter in business. He was 64 years old, that does not make a person a disorganized invalid. Quite the contrary for a lot of seniors.

I think it is somewhat odd that the only thing the sheriff will confirm
is that he was in the casino for hours the night before .

That is not the only thing he has confirmed. This is a sweeping and inaccurate statement. Why?

he won't discuss anything after that.

See above.

I would have to conclude that the final hours would be getting everything all set up by himself .

What is strange about this? How many of these shooters have planned and executed these mass rampages by themselves and evaded detection? The overwhelming majority have.

RIgging food carts with cameras and running wires etc might be seen on video .

Yes he did this. Is there a reason to believe that he wasn't capable of this?

I would think there would be cameras in emergency exit stairwells to help in emergency.

Bears and other posters have linked the Las Vegas Casino camera in hallways/ or lack there of/ etc information many many times. Are we assuming that there were no cameras in the exit stairwells? Or has that been stated in MSM?

He must be pretty strong with lots of endurance to do this all by himself

Again, he is 64 years old. That does not make him weak, incapable of thinking, planning, or confused. Those are stereotypes of older people. He was also on the younger side of "old" in the grand scheme of things. IMO

moo

BBM

All of the above is bolded by me. Thank you CARIS in advance for any links I asked for where I was confused by your speculations and assertions.
 
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RIgging food carts with cameras and running wires etc might be seen on video .


moo

The peephole cameras can be installed within 20 minutes, wireless and battery operated...only tool needed for some is a quarter and a smart phone. Same with the camera he set up on the cart, likely inside his room - no wires needed. Tons of examples on youtube
 
Who's "still out there"?

For folks who are pondering the validity of a 64 year old doing this and coming up skeptical -- that means there participants that have not been apprehended .

It is too early in this investigation to conclude on way or the other - but if the 64 yr old on the 32 floor does not seem credible that means others are free

Amazingly LE i this instance was able to state (and continues to do so) that they have determined that the 64 yr old was it -- in the presser that night.

I think it was like 100 minutes after they entered.

That is quite an investigative skill ! We need this team on all of our cases.

They have been able to do all this without any ME data, reviewing any video , debriefing of cops.

Conducting thousands of interviews , compiling them , obtaining them

We want these tarrot card readers on our biggest crimes

The only evidence of the 64 year old being the sole perpetrator of this tragedy is a sheriff that figure out when it started !

Ha Id bring my car into a mechanic for a transmission replace who messed up on the alternator !!

I would trust a surgeon who accidently removed my left arm when it was supposed to my right !

thats funny
 
I was standing in front of the stage when the bomb went off in Olympic Park and it knocked me off my feet.
I saw a lot of dead people and people bleeding out, dying, as I ran out of the park in fear of another bomb.
It turned out only one woman died from the shrapnel of the bomb, and one man died of a heart attack. Two deaths, total.
All the dead people was my misinterpretation of the scene.
Also, by the time we ran far enough away to be safe, we were taken into the Marriot which was NBC's logistical headquarters.
We told them there was a bomb, they asked, "have you ever seen a bomb before?" which was proof we didn't know what we were talking about, I guess, and then they calmly told us it was a blown electrical transformer by the venue. We insisted it was a bomb.
Within minutes, they got the message because they all started gathering their things and running around, getting to work.
LE investigations get to the truth because what we see with our own eyes isn't always real, especially in the face of tragedy.

But you were right. It wasn't a "blown electrical transformer". Your account of what happened was important. The accounts of the witnesses to this tragedy is also important.
 
I wish that the authorities would make a statement that the security guard is safe and that's all they can say during this investigation.

In my opinion, this would help alleviate anxiety and uncertainty felt by the public.

The public is accustomed to hearing facts and having details analyzed as has happened after "terrorist" horrid events.

Perhaps this is causing anxiety as opposed to people believing in "conspiracy theories". Maybe the l.e. need to expand on their belief that they found proof there were no other shooters.

Maybe it's just this that the investigation can expand on - more details, more analyses but more importantly - let the public know that the security guard is safe somewhere. In my opinion, this can only help relieve anxiety and worry.

e.t.a. There will always be 'conspiracy theories' but in this case perhaps the public needs more reassurance from the police investigation. This is only my opinion.

Is the Mandalay Bay Security Guard 'Missing'?
Police told us that despite widespread rumors and speculation, Jesus Campos is not missing.


LVMPD officer Larry Hadfield told us that Campos is not missing, and reiterated that Paddock had no accomplices when he rained bullets down on the Route 91 Harvest Festival. Hadfield told us, flat-out:
Campos is not missing. He’s not under arrest. We tell people what we know. If they don’t believe it but they’re going to believe whatever web site, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

http://www.snopes.com/is-the-mandalay-bay-security-guard-missing/
 
For those stating that its a normal, ongoing LE investigation, find me a high profile investigation with this much insane horse bleep in the first 3 weeks:

The brother's out of this world 40 minute drunk interview on day 2 - whoa!!

The 60 minutes interview with the officers - whoa!!

The shooters house was broken into - what??

The shooters wife has been placed on the FBI do not fly list - what???

A wacko alt right twitter journo had to force LE's hand to admit they had the check-in date wrong - can't be??

3 timeline changes, including a private company going out an publicly challenging the sheriff and FBI, then being proven right! - LE is always right!!

Hero security guard needs home security - weird?

Hero security guard and key witness to the deadliest shooting in USA history is missing. - what the heck??

The sheriff lost control of this thing from day one. IMO it falls back to him, he did not rise to the occasion, let this thing get away from him, his officers on 60 minutes so quick, why? you apparently know nothing, why have them on TV talking about it. Then he gets up there last friday all ticked off and acts like the public or the media caused this circus. Laughable.
 
But you were right. It wasn't a "blown electrical transformer". Your account of what happened was important. The accounts of the witnesses to this tragedy is also important.

There were many people that were there that said it was a blown transformer, they said they saw it blow.
As it turned out, the cops didn't need my testimony at all, I never spoke with them, they figured it out all on their own, without my help.
The way all the cops and paramilitary were running into the park as I was running out, they must have figured it out very quickly, they weren't going by the media accounts of the blown transformer.
And there is the Richard Jewel fiasco, a security guard whose life was ruined by rumor and innuendo.
 
I was standing in front of the stage when the bomb went off in Olympic Park and it knocked me off my feet.
I saw a lot of dead people and people bleeding out, dying, as I ran out of the park in fear of another bomb.
It turned out only one woman died from the shrapnel of the bomb, and one man died of a heart attack. Two deaths, total.
All the dead people was my misinterpretation of the scene.
Also, by the time we ran far enough away to be safe, we were taken into the Marriot which was NBC's logistical headquarters.
We told them there was a bomb, they asked, "have you ever seen a bomb before?" which was proof we didn't know what we were talking about, I guess, and then they calmly told us it was a blown electrical transformer by the venue. We insisted it was a bomb.
Within minutes, they got the message because they all started gathering their things and running around, getting to work.
LE investigations get to the truth because what we see with our own eyes isn't always real, especially in the face of tragedy.

By they do you mean law enforcement or NBC?
 

I guess MGM is in on the coverup now.
But a statement released this morning by MGM, the parent company of Mandalay Bay, suggests something that he’s simply shy and doesn’t want media attention.
MGM told the Review-Journal in a Tuesday email: “Jesus Campos wants to tell his story at a time and place of his choosing. He’s asked that everyone respect his request for privacy. We could not be more proud of Jesus.”
 
For those stating that its a normal, ongoing LE investigation, find me a high profile investigation with this much insane horse bleep in the first 3 weeks:

The brother's out of this world 40 minute drunk interview on day 2 - whoa!!

The 60 minutes interview with the officers - whoa!!

The shooters house was broken into - what??

The shooters wife has been placed on the FBI do not fly list - what???

A wacko alt right twitter journo had to force LE's hand to admit they had the check-in date wrong - can't be??

3 timeline changes, including a private company going out an publicly challenging the sheriff and FBI, then being proven right! - LE is always right!!

Hero security guard needs home security - weird?

Hero security guard and key witness to the deadliest shooting in USA history is missing. - what the heck??

The sheriff lost control of this thing from day one. IMO it falls back to him, he did not rise to the occasion, let this thing get away from him, his officers on 60 minutes so quick, why? you apparently know nothing, why have them on TV talking about it. Then he gets up there last friday all ticked off and acts like the public or the media caused this circus. Laughable.

Ha

What is wrong with you?

How dare you only scratch the surface with all the BS (actually just hoping to provide a dash of levity - was an awesome review of absurdity! ) ty!

I am confident some of this is a retired therapist .

The wounding they are doing to so many others that were not within 1000 feet of MB is invaluable .

It is the same emotionally that our society tends to do to a rape victim.

Believe it or not over the long term it is as damaging as the rape itself - when the rape is minimized etc

It is truly damaging to all the people who were at hotels all up and down the strip
who heard gunshots and had to run just like the ones at the concert.
 
The oddest thing to me about the security guards home being secured was that he wasn't even there. He was at a hotel. According to reports.
It's possible that there were concerns for more than just him. I wonder if threats were made against his family.
 
Ha

What is wrong with you?

How dare you only scratch the surface with all the BS (actually just hoping to provide a dash of levity - was an awesome review of absurdity! ) ty!

I am confident some of this is a retired therapist .

The wounding they are doing to so many others that were not within 1000 feet of MB is invaluable .

It is the same emotionally that our society tends to do to a rape victim.

Believe it or not over the long term it is as damaging as the rape itself - when the rape is minimized etc

It is truly damaging to all the people who were at hotels all up and down the strip
who heard gunshots and had to run just like the ones at the concert.
Cariis, I see that your reply button is working just fine so I'm still waiting for you to answer the questions Spice and I posed to you earlier.

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So if we go with this notion - investigation is still ongoing. - it then becomes we certainly can not state that there was only one shooter.

investigation is still ongoing.

Yes, the FBI agent at the PC last week stated the investigation is still ongoing. Aaron Rouse said they're still trying to find out why Paddock did it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-police-hold-press-conference-on-deadly-shooting-live-updates/

The investigation is still underway and the public probably won't see or hear much until its complete.
 
For folks who are pondering the validity of a 64 year old doing this and coming up skeptical -- that means there participants that have not been apprehended .

It is too early in this investigation to conclude on way or the other - but if the 64 yr old on the 32 floor does not seem credible that means others are free

Amazingly LE i this instance was able to state (and continues to do so) that they have determined that the 64 yr old was it -- in the presser that night.

I think it was like 100 minutes after they entered.

That is quite an investigative skill ! We need this team on all of our cases.

They have been able to do all this without any ME data, reviewing any video , debriefing of cops.

Conducting thousands of interviews , compiling them , obtaining them

We want these tarrot card readers on our biggest crimes

The only evidence of the 64 year old being the sole perpetrator of this tragedy is a sheriff that figure out when it started !

Ha Id bring my car into a mechanic for a transmission replace who messed up on the alternator !!

I would trust a surgeon who accidently removed my left arm when it was supposed to my right !

thats funny

Forensics...the bullets found in wounds and around the concert area would (in case of SP being only shooter), be if the same caliber and markings of the guns found inside the two adjoining hotel rooms...those guns would have one set of fingerprints, although IIRC, SP had on gloves in the leaked crime scene photos.

The shots seen by concert attendees were seen coming from the 2 hotel room windows, the audio can be heard in many videos.

Each round was aimed at different areas of the park...not both areas at the same time.

Then there was Campo's who heard all rounds, from beginning to end in the hallway -this alone, and only finding one person in the room, would lead Lombardo to believe SP was the only shooter.

What evidence, precisely, do you have otherwise?
 
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