NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[cujenn81]

He stopped shooting because he wanted to. He wasn't stopped by anyone!

He could have fired thousands more rounds if he had chosen to, completely uninterrupted.

Those are my thoughts about it too. I think he just got tired and bored after a while. Just like Harris & Klebold at Columbine. There were many students still inside the school when they killed themselves. They had enough ammunition to continue with their killing spree but got bored. IIRC, one of the guys (probably Harris) even voiced this boredom to the other minutes before they shot themselves. If you've seen the camera footage from inside the school, you can even see this in their body language. They just kinda walk around aimlessly and look utterly disinterested during the last few minutes of the footage.

 

[vlpate]

Other than waiting for the final report from LE after they have put all the pieces together, by what other means are we to know the timeline other than to be patient? That "we want to know the timeline" isn't going to make it appear. No one person was involved from beginning to end. From JC, to dispatch, to LE, to responders and whatever else was going in between all the chaos....

And sure, learning such details of the timeline is important but does that in any way change the magnitude of the tragedy that occurred? What happened did happen, regardless of what minute it occured at. If MGM or its employees were negligent in any way, that will be determined during litigation but that's going to happen even further down the road.

I'm not understanding why knowing the timeline is so very critical? More so than other detsils we don't know such as SPs state of mind and possible motive? The timeline didn't murder 58 people or injure 500.

Just curious.....

I guess it all boils down to what interests individual sleuthers in these cases - timelines and inconsistencies are puzzles, I like puzzles and solving them with like minded individuals.

That's just me though.

 

[CoolJ]

Where did that come from? I can tell you that any man named Brian in Australia would be of the same vintage as the killer, without the experience with guns.

Brian Hodges. He was interviewed in the early days about being in the next room 32-134 which was the adjoining room I believe. One of the rooms with the windows broken.

 

[Sillybilly]

JC is a victim and he is to be discussed as such. No different than any other victim in any other thread. You may discuss what was said on the TV show, but you may not speculate negatively about him, or cast aspersions or make derogatory comments about he or SS.

As for who gained from the appearance on Ellen's show? ... that would be the victims' fund that Shutterfly donated the $25,000 to in Jesus Campos' name. Other than that, anything is speculation based on no known MSM.

 

[MistyWaters]

I guess it all boils down to what interests individual sleuthers in these cases - timelines and inconsistencies are puzzles, I like puzzles and solving them with like minded individuals.

That's just me though.

I like puzzles too! But without any idea what drove the behavior of SP, a lot of what puts the crime into perspective --- not just When, it's Why that creates the framework.

Anyway thank you for your reply. It was just that I was noticing no frustration in regard to lack of information about SP.

Just as an aside, I sometimes joke that because I'm not a Facebook user, it's as if I don't exist. Pure speculation, but as SP left virtually no internet trail I wonder if that also lessens focus upon him.

 

[vlpate]

We know virtually nothing of SP but if he was paranoid and as he was prepared for overkill, high on adrenalin or anything else, any noise in the hallway could've provoked him to fire a hail of bullets through the hallway without even looking through the peephole. There was no turning back for him, he was shooting to kill. JMO

This was a man who would sit at a poker video game for 14 hours a day, for months on end...he calculated each push - tedious, but worth the reward. Just bizarre.

 

[CoolJ]

I like puzzles too! But without any idea what drove the behavior of SP, a lot of what puts the crime into perspective --- not just When, it's Why that creates the framework.

Anyway thank you for your reply. It was just that I was noticing no frustration in regard to lack of information about SP.

Just as an aside, I sometimes joke that because I'm not a Facebook user, it's as if I don't exist. Pure speculation, but as SP left virtually no internet trail I wonder if that also lessens focus upon him.

It's going to be hard to find info about him. Remember, the Sherriff said he had a "secret life"

 

[everybodhi]

And what about this Brian Hodges guy from Australia that was staying in one of the rooms with a broken window?

Find reputable sources, please.

Brian Hodges' window was not broken.

He wasn't even in his room when the shooting happened, never even made it to the 32 floor.

Blog peddles fake story saying security guards ID'd as shooters at Mandalay Bay

Hodge told that newspaper that he never made it to his room on the 32nd floor and after hearing the bullets he first went to a casino kitchen before hiding in a bush outside.

"I was just laying on the ground. It was like a scene from a movie. The shooter was up above, we didn't know where they were... I didn't want anyone to know where I was, so I just curled up and hid. It was the most terrifying moment of my life."

Hodge also posted on Facebook, "There is a live shooter with a gun in my hotel in Vegas right now, but I got outside safely and hiding in bushes."

 

[CARIIS]

Levity Break

Male indep journalist interviewing dude who is at Jesus house.

His phone rings.

His ringtone is



The theme from "Cops" --



youngins YT and listen to it - its short

Oi Vey Help us all

 

[vlpate]

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Pure speculation, but as SP left virtually no internet trail I wonder if that also lessens focus upon him.

There are quite a few articles with information about him, but nothing fits, nothing...especially at his age. The one thing I did find interesting was the fact that he had a doctor "on retainer". He paid him yearly for open access - what does that even mean?

 

[CoolJ]

Find reputable sources, please.

Brian Hodges' window was not broken.

He wasn't even in his room when the shooting happened, never even made it to the 32 floor.

Blog peddles fake story saying security guards ID'd as shooters at Mandalay Bay

I don't understand what him not being in the room has to do with what I said?

Watch the video at link please. Brian Hodges says it was his room:

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/10/03/11/23/australian-in-room-next-door-to-las-vegas-shooter

 

[MistyWaters]

And what about this Brian Hodges guy from Australia that was staying in one of the rooms with a broken window?

Please clarify. Are you saying the room BH stayed in had broken windows and if so kindly provide your link.

ETA. It's unlikely room 32134 is next to 32125. Iirc the smaller room SP initially stayed was 32124 and it joined the suite, not 32134.

ETA again, sorry I'm wrong. Suite # appears to be 32135. A puzzle for sure.

 

[RANCH]

I guess it all boils down to what interests individual sleuthers in these cases - timelines and inconsistencies are puzzles, I like puzzles and solving them with like minded individuals.

That's just me though.

I feel that timelines are important factors in trying to understand what happened in this case. Having a solid timeline doesn't answer all questions though.

Inconsistencies in statements can mean many things. It depends on whether they are inadvertent or purposely trying to mislead the listener or reader.

I like trying to solve a good puzzle also. This case may be one of those that I will never totally understand let alone solve.

JMO

 

[Spice]

Good, it's exactly what they should do. Boston came back. New York came back. Orlando came back.

I hope Las Vegas does too.

I hear you. But being from NYC , and present during 9/11, I can say it takes so much longer than 3 weeks. It takes time to go through the the stages of grief as a community. The fear and jumpiness takes a very long time to diminish and it never goes away completely. The tragedy becomes a part of your identity as a community. A part of you forever. To this day, I will never ever forget the sounds, the smells, and the sheer terror and feeling that the place that you call home is forever changed, never to be the same.

The resilience of the people, the victims, the dead, the families that lost their loved ones, the first responders that lost their lives saving others, or survived the day, the residents that witnessed the event in real time and lived through the aftermath, the pain and healing of the community as a whole takes many many years to come to fruition. To this day, those ghost lights of the twin towers light up about a week before the anniversary...and you remember. You remember the day viscerally. The sounds of war planes breaking the sound barrier above you. The visual of millions of us New Yorkers all running, moving NORTH, UP, and away from downtown, in one direction when we are usually running around in all different directions in this concrete jungle. People covered in dust, literally like statues. The looks of shock, the flat affects. The smell of burnt rubber that lingered and was carried in the wind for months and months and months. Literally into the next summer. The memorials. The missing posters. The complete and utter silence and empty subways of the city that never sleeps. THE FEAR of being in a crowded place when you live in the most crowded place in the world. The fear every single day that it could happen again while you are just going about your daily life.

Vegas will be okay, human beings are resilient, but as a community they are nowhere near the stage of acceptance and normalcy. It takes time. So much time.

 

[vlpate]

I feel that timelines are important factors in trying to understand what happened in this case. Having a solid timeline doesn't answer all questions though.

Inconsistencies in statements can mean many things. It depends on whether they are inadvertent or purposely trying to mislead the listener or reader.

I like trying to solve a good puzzle also. This case may be one of those that I will never totally understand let alone solve.

JMO

Every piece that fits is a small victory...

 

[everybodhi]

I don't understand what him not being in the room has to do with what I said?

Watch the video at link please. Brian Hodges says it was his room:

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/10/03/11/23/australian-in-room-next-door-to-las-vegas-shooter

Ok, I heard what he said, the reporters didn't even say, "you mean the shooter was inside of your room?", because they knew better.
I can see how he slipped up there, not clarifying, the cops obviously weren't going to let him into the room next door, for obvious reasons, because "he's in there", as the Aussie quotes the cops, referring to the dead shooter in the room next to his, on the locked down floor.

<modsnip>

And, where did you get that his window in his room was broken?
I didn't hear him say that.
<modsnip>

 

[CoolJ]

Please clarify. Are you saying the room BH stayed in had broken windows and if so kindly provide your link.

ETA. It's unlikely room 32134 is next to 32125. Iirc the smaller room SP initially stayed was 32124 and it joined the suite, not 32134.

I provided my link. Please watch the video. Hodges says it was his room.

Wasn't there a floor plan posted somewhere along the way here?

 

[RANCH]

Every piece that fits is a small victory...

There you go. Build a foundation with facts and evidence. And go from there.

 

[CoolJ]

Ok, I heard what he said, the reporters didn't even say, "you mean the shooter was inside of your room?", because they knew better.
I can see how he slipped up there, not clarifying, the cops obviously weren't going to let him into the room next door, for obvious reasons, because "he's in there", as the Aussie quotes the cops, referring to the dead shooter in the room next to his, on the locked down floor.

<modsnip>

And, where did you get that his window in his room was broken?
I didn't hear him say that.
What's the motive behind their conspiracy?

<modsnip> I didn't say what I think it means. Listen again to what he says.
On his twitter he also says he was in room 134. Lets find the floor plan and figure this out. <modsnip>

 

[RANCH]

And what about this Brian Hodges guy from Australia that was staying in one of the rooms with a broken window?

What about him? Fill me in on what you think.