NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[Deleted member 158085]

Question:

I read the thread, but I am confused. What exactly is the contradiction with BH? Is it the room number? I am so confused.

In the video where he is interviewed by Australian TV he actually says that he was told that SP was in his (BH's) room. At the same time, he also states that SP's room was next to his. So this leaves people wondering if SP did go into his room as well.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Re conspiracies.

The website Neon Nettle claimed that an eyewitness to the Las Vegas shooting reported "multiple gunmen dressed as security guards."
The story tracks back to real interviews given by an Australian man named Brian Hodge, who says he was at Mandalay Bay. But beyond that, Neon Nettle’s story doesn’t hold up. Hodge never said in media interviews or on social media that a security guard was the shooter. And he also disputed saying there were shooters. Neon Nettle’s post is inaccurate, so we rated it Pants on Fire!

Source http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...02/hoaxes-fake-news-about-las-vegas-massacre/
Reputation of source- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2016/07/20/the-10-best-fact-checking-sites/

article is worth reading precisely because many of the rumors currently circulating originate from rumors..

As far as I can tell, this is not what CoolJ is referring to in regards to BH. See my explanation above to Spice.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Watch the interview. Please.
He didn't get anything mixed up in his head. He is either lying and involving himself in a massive investigation. OR The story we are being told is not the truth.

I played the game. I found MSM sources to prove that what we are being told is not how things happened.

Now MSM is not good enough? I thought MSM vetted their sources.

Can folks not just stop for one minute and consider. Just consider...... that the story they are being fed is not the truth??

I'm going to say this. I did not watch the interview with this guy at first because I assumed the issue was simply about him stating the wrong room number. CoolJ was absolutely right to ask me to please view the video. Once I did, I understood why this is such a glaring contradiction. I have no satisfactory explanation for it.

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[CoolJ]

As far as I can tell, this is not what CoolJ is referring to in regards to BH. See my explanation above to Spice.

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I am sticking strictly to MSM. If we are allowed to cite BH's twitter account from the night of the shooting there are even more disturbing questions that should be asked. But, I am playing ball with you all here.I am following the rules.

 

[Spice]

Re conspiracies.

The website Neon Nettle claimed that an eyewitness to the Las Vegas shooting reported "multiple gunmen dressed as security guards."
The story tracks back to real interviews given by an Australian man named Brian Hodge, who says he was at Mandalay Bay. But beyond that, Neon Nettle’s story doesn’t hold up. Hodge never said in media interviews or on social media that a security guard was the shooter. And he also disputed saying there were shooters. Neon Nettle’s post is inaccurate, so we rated it Pants on Fire!

Source http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...02/hoaxes-fake-news-about-las-vegas-massacre/
Reputation of source- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2016/07/20/the-10-best-fact-checking-sites/

article is worth reading precisely because many of the rumors currently circulating originate from rumors..

I saw this but didn't link it. Thank you Kitty.

There is also this:

NOT REAL: Las Vegas: Video Confirms Multiple Shooters, Co-ordinated Attack

THE FACTS: A flickering light coming from a floor below Las Vegas Stephen Paddock’s room helped spawn dozens of reports, many on conspiracy-themed sites, that gunshots were fired from two locations at the Mandalay Bay resort. Authorities said quickly after Paddock was found dead that there were no other shooters. Several videos of the flickering light show it coming from the fourth floor before the gunfire began on the 32nd floor. An Australian man who said he was in a room next to Paddock also added to the reports with a Facebook post that “multiple shooters” were at the scene. Brian Hodge retracted the account a day later.

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/10/07/not-real-news-a-look-at-what-didnt-happen-this-week/

I also attempted to read his tweets but his tweets are protected (Set to private) and cannot be read. Also, if he did tweet that a security guard was shot, that doesn't seem strange to me. He was a guest at MB during the shooting, even on the same floor, It is very possible that he overheard someone say "A security guard was shot" . Also, from his statements its obvious LE talked to him, he could have found out the security guard was shot then. JMO

Someone was questioning earlier whether he was from Australia or not :

Mr Hodge, who is originally from Wagga Wagga, but has lived in Los Angeles for the past eight years, described seeing the SWAT team storm the hotel.

And according to this account , Hodge was on his way back to his room after having dinner with staff members when he was warned by a woman that there was an active shooter and told to turn back, tr, so he did, and ended up hiding in the bushes for 3 hours. He never went back to his room after dinner and during the shooting:

An Australian man believes the gunman responsible for a mass shooting in Las Vegas was staying in the room next door to him at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.
New South Wales man and concert producer Brian Hodge, 36, said he ran for his life as hundreds of bullets sprayed into a music festival crowd from a balcony at the hotel as he walked back to his room from a dinner out with his staff.

"There were so many shots fired, I couldn't tell you how many. A woman came right up to my face and she said 'you've got to turn back there is a shooter' and we all just started running."
Mr Hodge said he and his team of about 20 staff fled to a nearby lift and piled in with other terrified hotel patrons.
"When we got to the ground floor of the casino it was just utter chaos," he said.

There were people screaming and running. We ran into a nearby hallway and ended up in the casino's kitchen. None of the staff were aware of what was happening so we told them what was going on and we all ran out onto the street."
Mr Hodge said he hid in bushes outside the hotel for three hours.

He said police told him the gunman was in the room 32135, just one room away from his hotel room.
"I'm room 32134 so I'm just so glad I didn't make it back to my room," he said.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wo...stralian-man-brian-hodge-20171002-gysy9v.html

 

[kittythehare]

As far as I can tell, this is not what CoolJ is referring to in regards to BH. See my explanation above to Spice.

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i'm actually not even in the conversation about BH.
The post refers to an authenticated well respected sites' analysis of several different conspiracy theories regarding TheLasVegas Massacre of 59 human beings.

Re Hodges.. I think he may be confused. I saw his 'stuff' early on and it was wispy, too wispy for me.

i just want to know what and who Paddock was and what motivated him... cannot settle my head into investigation irregularities/pressers/anything anybody did after the event..

The not having the 'why' of it is I think the likely cause of the story 'offshoots'.

Why can we not find anything about Paddock?

Its outrageously ludicrous to me that none of the well funded and good investigative media outlets has discovered nothing at all, even taking into account all else that was happening at the time and since..

We cannot depend upon LE for timely and accurate updates or verification details.
fBI are in charge, allegedly, well 'taking a bigger role cos they have tons of facilities more than local LE'
Local LE is highly annoyed about this and that its Manchurian feats of dexterity were not recognised publicly and even disparaged.
They're playing hardball, similar tactics to MB new pR sharks..
Co-incidence? I have no idea.
Possibly. Probably.
I dont believe the investigation of lV shooter by mSM, trustworthy MSM, I mean, those who invest in journalism,has been inadequate because of some political pressure from any source at all.

Its seriously looking as though there is no story.
Nothing they discovered was a story.


And remember the isis claim? That would have brought lots and lots of great investigative minds from experts in the field, as well as regular journalists..

Its too weird.
Its a massive chasm.
Nothing could have prevented it.
We should expect more of this.
Is that all we get?If so, its a very poor reflection of the dehumanising of mankind.
Therein lies the problem.

 

[Spice]

In the video where he is interviewed by Australian TV he actually says that he was told that SP was in his (BH's) room. At the same time, he also states that SP's room was next to his. So this leaves people wondering if SP did go into his room as well.

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Will watch the video now.

BH never went back to his room that night as per his account to the Brisbane Times. He also mentions this very specifically :

He said police told him the gunman was in the room 32135, just one room away from his hotel room.
"I'm room 32134 so I'm just so glad I didn't make it back to my room," he said.

Could it be that SP DID breach BH's room while he was out to dinner? Did they adjoin like some hotel rooms do? Was that the drilling sound? Did SP attempt to do this? Could the police have asked BH to stop providing that detail to media until they can continue the investigation?

 

[CoolJ]

I saw this but didn't link it. Thank you Kitty.

There is also this:



http://www.pressherald.com/2017/10/07/not-real-news-a-look-at-what-didnt-happen-this-week/

I also attempted to read his tweets but his tweets are protected (Set to private) and cannot be read. Also, if he did tweet that a security guard was shot, that doesn't seem strange to me. He was a guest at MB during the shooting, even on the same floor, It is very possible that he overheard someone say "A security guard was shot" . Also, from his statements its obvious LE talked to him, he could have found out the security guard was shot then. JMO

Someone was questioning earlier whether he was from Australia or not :


And according to this account , Hodge was on his way back to his room after having dinner with staff members when he was warned by a woman that there was an active shooter and told to turn back, tr, so he did, and ended up hiding in the bushes for 3 hours. He never went back to his room after dinner and during the shooting:









https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wo...stralian-man-brian-hodge-20171002-gysy9v.html

Did you watch the video? Did you look at the links I posted?

Room 32-134 is the room with the food cart in front with the camera and wiring. It also appears to be the other room Paddock was shooting from.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I am sticking strictly to MSM. If we are allowed to cite BH's twitter account from the night of the shooting there are even more disturbing questions that should be asked. But, I am playing ball with you all here.I am following the rules.

Yeah, if we were allowed to sleuth him I might be able to come up with a decent explanation based on his personality traits.

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[Spice]

Did you watch the video? Did you look at the links I posted?

Room 32-134 is the room with the food cart in front with the camera and wiring. It also appears to be the other room Paddock was shooting from.

Cool J,

If you read my post above this one...I am watching the video now.

 

[neesaki]

OK. The room next to the suite. The one with the food cart out front with the wiring. The one with the broken window, is definitely 32-134. The same room Brian Hodges says was his. WTF

You can clearly see the room # in this video from Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...7140d2eed02_video.html?utm_term=.7d47144c8cf0

And here is a link from the Courier Mail saying Hodges was in room 32-134:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...k/news-story/17c907f4046f30ccfedf831e27e93cc8

My question is that it's been reported since the beginning that SP had two rooms reserved, the one being 32-135, so what was his other room number ? Anyone know ?

Also, this is the first time I've read / heard that security was chasing a guy wearing a security jacket like theirs.

Ms Miller said the man sprinted through her hotel after coming off an escalator from the Mandalay Bay.“The man that they [security] were chasing was wearing a security jacket like them,” she said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...k/news-story/17c907f4046f30ccfedf831e27e93cc8

 

[zencompass]

Is it possible that S.P. had enough time to drill through the lock of the hotel room next door and smash out the window and fire from there?

I mean no disrespect to everyone on this thread who I believe are genuinely looking at all of the facts surrounding this.

Personally I have had great difficulty getting enough 'facts' or pieces of the puzzle to even try to look at this in a clearer way.

I am just merely thinking out loud.

I don't think S.P. would have had the time. Would he have?

 

[kittythehare]

I am sticking strictly to MSM. If we are allowed to cite BH's twitter account from the night of the shooting there are even more disturbing questions that should be asked. But, I am playing ball with you all here.I am following the rules.

We are aLL following the rules.
Theres a million really great reasons for the rules regarding sources.
But we're also allowed to use our reason and try working stuff out.. and we do..sometimes.
Smiling.

Nobody is unaffected by this, and nobody should be.
It is being handled badly by the authorities who should be workin' real hard to reassure a grieving and deeply shocked public.
They seem to be failing in this regard.
Maybe they are shocked helpless and totally disempowered too..
It is bizarre.

 

[CoolJ]

i'm actually not even in the conversation about BH.
The post refers to an authenticated well respected sites' analysis of several different conspiracy theories regarding TheLasVegas Massacre of 59 human beings.

Re Hodges.. I think he may be confused. I saw his 'stuff' early on and it was wispy, too wispy for me.

i just want to know what and who Paddock was and what motivated him... cannot settle my head into investigation irregularities/pressers/anything anybody did after the event..

The not having the 'why' of it is I think the likely cause of the story 'offshoots'.

Why can we not find anything about Paddock?

Its outrageously ludicrous to me that none of the well funded and good investigative media outlets has discovered nothing at all, even taking into account all else that was happening at the time and since..

We cannot depend upon LE for timely and accurate updates or verification details.
fBI are in charge, allegedly, well 'taking a bigger role cos they have tons of facilities more than local LE'
Local LE is highly annoyed about this and that its Manchurian feats of dexterity were not recognised publicly and even disparaged.
They're playing hardball, similar tactics to MB new pR sharks..
Co-incidence? I have no idea.
Possibly. Probably.
I dont believe the investigation of lV shooter by mSM, trustworthy MSM, I mean, those who invest in journalism,has been inadequate because of some political pressure from any source at all.

Its seriously looking as though there is no story.
Nothing they discovered was a story.


And remember the isis claim? That would have brought lots and lots of great investigative minds from experts in the field, as well as regular journalists..

Its too weird.
Its a massive chasm.
Nothing could have prevented it.
We should expect more of this.
Is that all we get?If so, its a very poor reflection of the dehumanising of mankind.
Therein lies the problem.

As i said before, it is not going to be easy to find info about Paddock. The Sheriff said he had a "secret life".

 

[zencompass]

I am hoping that the F.B.I. have uncovered information about S.P. which, if kept confidential by them, could lead to public safety in the future.

This is my reasoning as to why more facts and more details have not been forthcoming.

Perhaps in the public's future safety - the F.B.I. have deemed it crucial to "withhold" some facts?

 

[kittythehare]

Is it possible that S.P. had enough time to drill through the lock of the hotel room next door and smash out the window and fire from there?

I mean no disrespect to everyone on this thread who I believe are genuinely looking at all of the facts surrounding this.

Personally I have had great difficulty getting enough 'facts' or pieces of the puzzle to even try to look at this in a clearer way.

I am just merely thinking out loud.

I don't think S.P. would have had the time. Would he have?

My understanding is that there were 2 windows in the suite he rented, one facing east and the other north(but i could easily be wrong re directions here)
It was 1800 sq ft suite.. fair distance between both windows..
I dont know how he managed to shoot sG 1 and fire another or same volley at Maintenance man and still have time... any time at all, let alone hands..

 

[kittythehare]

As i said before, it is not going to be easy to find info about Paddock. The Sheriff said he had a "secret life".

Thats right, he did.
Should we try getting stuck into what that means?
Multiple ID's, employers????

 

[zencompass]

Will watch the video now.

BH never went back to his room that night as per his account to the Brisbane Times. He also mentions this very specifically :


Could it be that SP DID breach BH's room while he was out to dinner? Did they adjoin like some hotel rooms do? Was that the drilling sound? Did SP attempt to do this? Could the police have asked BH to stop providing that detail to media until they can continue the investigation?

Dear Spice,

My apologies. I asked this question in #392 after you already did.

I hadn't realized that you initially queried as to whether "SP breached B.H.'s room while he was out to dinner:"

This seems quite possible.

Thank you Spice! I genuinely enjoy reading your investigative questions.

 

[CoolJ]

My understanding is that there were 2 windows in the suite he rented, one facing east and the other north(but i could easily be wrong re directions here)
It was 1800 sq ft suite.. fair distance between both windows..
I dont know how he managed to shoot sG 1 and fire another or same volley at Maintenance man and still have time... any time at all, let alone hands..

Looks to me like the other broken window was in room 32-134. The room BH said was his



Source for Image: http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...s/news-story/795879f57f2449864ea86b0d01737d1d

 

[Jax49]

http://www.startribune.com/a-look-at-the-mandalay-hotel-suite/449270453/

If I understand correctly there was one broken window in the suite and one in the adjoining room, both of which were supposedly rented/comped to SP.

Going by memory so take with as much salt as desired.