NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

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Then you tell me why they didn't further question him when he said the shooter was in his room. There are numerous sources of him saying 32-134 was his room. As well as an actual video of him saying the shooter was in his room. So we know it wasn't just him being mistaken about which room # he was in.

I'm thinking the room Paddock was found in was an adjoining bedroom to 134 or 135 and could be used to expand either 134 or 135 as the need arose. So although assigned the physical room number of 134, it could actually be used by either suite 134 or 135 for expansion if/when required. SP needed the extra room that is normally assigned room #134.
 
Thats right, he did.
Should we try getting stuck into what that means?
Multiple ID's, employers????

We would only be speculating. But the officers interviewed on 60 minutes said the room looked like a gun store with everything neatly lined up in rows. Maybe he was an arms dealer?
 
I'm thinking the room Paddock was found in was an adjoining bedroom to 134 or 135 and could be used to expand either 134 or 135 as the need arose. So although assigned the physical room number of 134, it could actually be used by either suite 134 or 135 for expansion if/when required. SP needed the extra room that is normally assigned room #134.

So are you saying there could be another room involved other than 134 and 135?
 
I'm thinking the room Paddock was found in was an adjoining bedroom to 134 or 135 and could be used to expand either 134 or 135 as the need arose. So although assigned the physical room number of 134, it could actually be used by either suite 134 or 135 for expansion if/when required. SP needed the extra room that is normally assigned room #134.

Thanks, Silly. This makes sense. I have never stayed in a room with adjoining rooms so I didn't realize that essentially 3 rooms could possibly be linked by doors. And if this is the case, they may have wanted to double check BH room to be sure it had not been breached, and so could not allow him back in until they were certain there was no evidence there as well.

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Dear Spice,

My apologies. I asked this question in #392 after you already did.

I hadn't realized that you initially queried as to whether "SP breached B.H.'s room while he was out to dinner:"

This seems quite possible.

Thank you Spice! I genuinely enjoy reading your investigative questions.

No apologies needed!

I just watched the interview. I am going to transcribe the part that everyone is referencing. My initial reaction though as far as anything nefarious is Meh.....
 
My question is that it's been reported since the beginning that SP had two rooms reserved, the one being 32-135, so what was his other room number ? Anyone know ?

Also, this is the first time I've read / heard that security was chasing a guy wearing a security jacket like theirs.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...k/news-story/17c907f4046f30ccfedf831e27e93cc8

The way the Sheriff reported the "other room" was really ambiguous to me. I am going to go back and re-watch the pressers.

As far as the person with security vest being chased.... that is the first time I have seen that reported in an MSM article. Thanks for pointing that out!
 
We would only be speculating. But the officers interviewed on 60 minutes said the room looked like a gun store with everything neatly lined up in rows. Maybe he was an arms dealer?


"Secret Life" could very well mean "Double Life" , i.e., he put one face on for loved ones and another in private. His brother didn't seem to know him as well as he lets on. His brother thought he owned " a few handguns" and was "not a gun guy". He was clearly stockpiling weapons for the past year leading up to this attack. He bought them legally and in his name. Not sure how that would work out for an arms dealer. MB is probably the closest to him and would have the most insight. Secret Life does not have to mean something as James Bondish as an Arms Dealer.

It could just mean that he presents one face publicly and another in private. Which I believe will likely be the case , unless every one around him is simply obvious, there had to be noticeable changes in him. Or he was just that good at hiding it.
 
No apologies needed!

I just watched the interview. I am going to transcribe the part that everyone is referencing. My initial reaction though as far as anything nefarious is Meh.....

"Meh" you don't believe him? Or "Meh" something else? Remember, there are numerous other articles where he says he was in room 32-134 and I posted the video of that room being the one with the food cart and camera/wiring. It also appears to be the room with the broken window.
 
"Secret Life" could very well mean "Double Life" , i.e., he put one face on for loved ones and another in private. His brother didn't seem to know him as well as he lets on. His brother thought he owned " a few handguns" and was "not a gun guy". He was clearly stockpiling weapons for the past year leading up to this attack. He bought them legally and in his name. Not sure how that would work out for an arms dealer. MB is probably the closest to him and would have the most insight. Secret Life does not have to mean something as James Bondish as an Arms Dealer.

It could just mean that he presents one face publicly and another in private. Which I believe will likely be the case , unless every one around him is simply obvious, there had to be noticeable changes in him. Or he was just that good at hiding it.
I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but I thought it was kind of odd that the brother described them all staying in a hotel when he visited, including SP. While I might have my relatives stay in a hotel when visiting, it would be odd for me to also stay in the hotel. Of course, when visitors are staying in a hotel, they are typically also going to come visit you in your home. One way to prevent that would be to never be at home while they are there.

You can tell a lot about a person by the contents of their home. I wonder how much time anyone outside of MD really spent in his house.

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SP's Room is a Vista Suite, I remember talking about this early on. There are three on each floor of the hotel, and they are often rented out for weddings. Suites are different than rooms. Although I do think I recall LE stating that SP's suite encompassed two rooms, but I have to find it.

As far as the cart being in front of 32134 (BH's Room), Which would be next door to SP's Suite 32135, I am not reading that as somehow odd. If SP rigged the food cart with cameras, which we know he did, and placed the cart to the side of his door (with the intention of surveilling the hallway), why does this not make sense? It makes sense to me.


When Mike Lichtenwalner, a wedding photographer in Las Vegas, learned, earlier this week, that Stephen Paddock committed his massacre of country-music concertgoers from a room in the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, he began to search through his digital files of clients’ wedding photographs. Paddock’s room at the Mandalay—No. 32135—is what’s called a “vista suite,” Lichtenwalner told me. There are three such suites on every floor of the hotel, and people often rent them out for weddings. Lichtenwalner has photographed numerous weddings at the Mandalay Bay, and he has a “habit of taking photos of room signs,” he explained. One of his closest friends, he discovered, had stayed in that room when she got married, in 2010, and Lichtenwalner, who served as her wedding photographer, had taken a photograph from the window of the suite, of the view below.
On Tuesday morning, Lichtenwalner posted the photo to his Facebook page. Looking at the image, you can see out the hotel’s windows to the dirt lot below, where the Route 91 Harvest festival was held.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/a...ods-eye-view-from-his-mandalay-bay-hotel-room
 
I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but I thought it was kind of odd that the brother described them all staying in a hotel when he visited, including SP. While I might have my relatives stay in a hotel when visiting, it would be odd for me to also stay in the hotel. Of course, when visitors are staying in a hotel, they are typically also going to come visit you in your home. One way to prevent that would be to never be at home while they are there.

You can tell a lot about a person by the contents of their home. I wonder how much time anyone outside of MD really spent in his house.

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SP treated people like House Elves when they were enjoying his comps. Remember the brother said Steve just would tell you "Go get me a sandwich" and you did it. Because that was just how it was. (paraphrasing)

I also remember that the press remarked that SP's home was like a college dorm room. A couple of chairs, sparsely furnished , not decorated. Not lived in. He lived in Hotels and lived , breathed, ate, gambling. 14 hours a day every single day according to his own words.
 
Will watch the video now.

BH never went back to his room that night as per his account to the Brisbane Times. He also mentions this very specifically :


Could it be that SP DID breach BH's room while he was out to dinner? Did they adjoin like some hotel rooms do? Was that the drilling sound? Did SP attempt to do this? Could the police have asked BH to stop providing that detail to media until they can continue the investigation?
It may have had a connecting door.
By this image, the window was in another "room".
Was this part if the Vista Suite? Or is it room BH said he was in?


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/02/us/100000005472805.mobile.html
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I am sticking strictly to MSM. If we are allowed to cite BH's twitter account from the night of the shooting there are even more disturbing questions that should be asked. But, I am playing ball with you all here.I am following the rules.

The Las Vegas Sun quotes Hodge being in the room next door.

Guest next to Las Vegas gunman’s room ‘shaken’

Hodge says it's "unsettling" to think he had been sleeping next to a room filled with guns and ammunition.
 
The way the Sheriff reported the "other room" was really ambiguous to me. I am going to go back and re-watch the pressers.

As far as the person with security vest being chased.... that is the first time I have seen that reported in an MSM article. Thanks for pointing that out!

I'm beginning to think he only had the one room ,but it is a 1700 sq. foot suite with a separate bedroom. I can't find anywhere now that he had two rooms. Maybe it was a mistake made early on due to the use of BH's room next door. Do we know how SP would have gotten inside someone else's room ? Or maybe it wasn't him but someone else that had access. Also strange how he / they knew BH wasn't going to be in his own room. JMO
including one on the 32-second floor of the Mandalay Bay casino overlooking a country music festival.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-but-investigators-have-no-idea-wh/734824001/

Video of the suite:
[video=youtube;ujmhvgvn55c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujmhvgvn55c[/video]
 
SP's Room is a Vista Suite, I remember talking about this early on. There are three on each floor of the hotel, and they are often rented out for weddings. Suites are different than rooms. Although I do think I recall LE stating that SP's suite encompassed two rooms, but I have to find it.

As far as the cart being in front of 32134 (BH's Room), Which would be next door to SP's Suite 32135, I am not reading that as somehow odd. If SP rigged the food cart with cameras, which we know he did, and placed the cart to the side of his door (with the intention of surveilling the hallway), why does this not make sense? It makes sense to me.




https://www.newyorker.com/culture/a...ods-eye-view-from-his-mandalay-bay-hotel-room

Are there not wires going from the cart into room 32-134?

From the floor plan image I posted, does it not look like Rm 32-134 was the one with the broken window?
 
Doesn't make sense to me that SP would break into another room -- too many things that could go wrong. moo
 
I saw a floor plan, perhaps on twitter, of the 32nd floor. Where the stairs were and where JC and the other man were in relation to the vista suite.
I haven't seen it posted here yet. I may have missed it.
It was REALLY informative, with an explanation of the areas of interest on the floor.
Can't find it again!! Grrr


MOO

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I'm thinking the room Paddock was found in was an adjoining bedroom to 134 or 135 and could be used to expand either 134 or 135 as the need arose. So although assigned the physical room number of 134, it could actually be used by either suite 134 or 135 for expansion if/when required. SP needed the extra room that is normally assigned room #134.

Thank you SillyBilly!

I know exactly what you mean. It is the locked door of the room between two hotel rooms. One of the rooms rented could been a suite and the other a basic room.

Sometimes the hotel books the room to go with either the one room or the suite.

I have encountered this as hotel staff accommodated me once by adding the extra room to my suite. II was part of a large family reunion in a large city.

When I was in the "added" room I remember noticing a door locked towards another room on the other side. I remember this because I put a chair against the "locked door" as I was heavily into Agatha Christie murder mysteries - and - well - too much mystery book readings I guess!
 
Thank you SillyBilly!

I know exactly what you mean. It is the locked door of the room between two hotel rooms. One of the rooms rented could been a suite and the other a basic room.

Sometimes the hotel books the room to go with either the one room or the suite.

I have encountered this as hotel staff accommodated me once by adding the extra room to my suite. It was a large family reunion in a large city.

But there is only one room connected to the vista suite. Maybe i just don't understand the point sillybilly is trying to make?
 
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