NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[neesaki]

That would be quite confusing for guests who are in rm 134.

I'm not sure what to think anymore, SP had reserved two rooms, then he "borrowed" his neighbors, BH's room. This link has a diagram similar to the one you posted earlier, and does show a door between the Vista suite and the room beside it. One can only assume it is representative of 134 and 135.
Scroll down a bit. Oh, also if you scroll down just below the diagram there is photo of the inside of the room, to the far right side it has a door and is labeled with
"door to next hotel room".
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/us/vegas-shooting-hotel-room.html

 

[CoolJ]

He also said there were "multiple shooters firing weapons out of the windows", “It was a machine gun from the room next to me,” he said. And, "They killed a security guard on my floor.”
He has since rescinded his story. As it turns out, he wasn't even on the 32 floor, he never made if past the elevator, if we can believe he made it that far. He continues to leave plenty of room to doubt the validity of his statements.

I watched the video again, and in the beginning, he clearly says,
What did he mean?
Did he mean to say, "Obviously, being an Australian, this is not an everyday occurrence with me"? Because that makes sense, but what he actually said, does not. It is not possible, "this is a regular occurrence with me", and yet, he clearly says it at the beginning of his interview.
The gist of his interview suggests the shooting gave him a new found fear, it does not support that this is an "everyday occurrence" for him, it is logically incompatible.

‘It has got to me’: Aussie man ‘in hotel room next door’ to Las Vegas shooter




Brian Hodge has proven himself to be a wealth of misinformation but he continues getting a lot of attention, it's not a stretch for me to think this guy is wrong about his room number, he's already been proven wrong a lot.

If it is true that SP broke into the guys room, I'm sure we will find out eventually, the cops have no reason to hide that information from the public forever.

where are you seeing this stuff about multiple shooters and killing Security guards.


This is so interesting. People have been going on here about sourcing with reputable MSM links.

I did that.

Now it's not good enough.

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[human]

We have rented rooms that have adjoining rooms. We did not use the adjoining rooms. I cannot imagine how one breaks into another room. What kind of key does the room have? A key card?

 

[Spice]

Did he not say he was not in the hotel at the time?

He strikes me as a person that cannot stop talking. And he was likely live on Social Media as the shooting was occurring, tweeting and posting inaccurate information due to the absolute chaos in the moment. People consumed that information at the time, with no reason to believe it to be incorrect. But it's living on. Even after he retracted certain statements.

In the aftermath, he retracted the statement of multiple shooters. I also don't think its strange that he may have known a security guard was shot, he was there, he was staying next door to the shooter, and LE definitely would have interviewed every single guest on that floor.

As far as the "well thats the room the shooters in" comment, I don't take it as the shooter was literally in his room. I am chalking it up to a poor paraphrase from a person that clearly likes to talk and has a circumstantial thought process and speaking style.

It's certainly possible that SP breached it while BH was at dinner. But we don't know that yet. And neither does Brian, as he never made it back to his room next door to the shooter that night, nor had he been back to his room at the time of that interview. Imo, he poorly paraphrased what LE stated to him when he was asking when he would be allowed back in his room.

I believe BH was in the room next door to the shooter's huge vista suite. I do not believe that he is hiding anything at all or at all involved. JMO.

 

[CoolJ]

He also said there were "multiple shooters firing weapons out of the windows", &#8220;It was a machine gun from the room next to me,&#8221; he said. And, "They killed a security guard on my floor.&#8221;
He has since rescinded his story. As it turns out, he wasn't even on the 32 floor, he never made if past the elevator, if we can believe he made it that far. He continues to leave plenty of room to doubt the validity of his statements.

I watched the video again, and in the beginning, he clearly says,
What did he mean?
Did he mean to say, "Obviously, being an Australian, this is not an everyday occurrence with me"? Because that makes sense, but what he actually said, does not. It is not possible, "this is a regular occurrence with me", and yet, he clearly says it at the beginning of his interview.
The gist of his interview suggests the shooting gave him a new found fear, it does not support that this is an "everyday occurrence" for him, it is logically incompatible.

&#8216;It has got to me&#8217;: Aussie man &#8216;in hotel room next door&#8217; to Las Vegas shooter




Brian Hodge has proven himself to be a wealth of misinformation but he continues getting a lot of attention, it's not a stretch for me to think this guy is wrong about his room number, he's already been proven wrong a lot.

If it is true that SP broke into the guys room, I'm sure we will find out eventually, the cops have no reason to hide that information from the public forever.

How has BH been proven wrong? Support your statements. I thought MSM vetted these people.

What a joke.

 

[everybodhi]

where are you seeing this stuff about multiple shooters and killing Security guards.


This is so interesting. People have been going on here about sourcing with reputable MSM links.

I did that.

Now it's not good enough.

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I got it from the Politifact article I posted earlier that discredits CT's.

 

[everybodhi]

How has BH been proven wrong? Support your statements. I thought MSM vetted these people.

What a joke.

The security guard is alive and there were not multiple shooters in Mandalay Bay, if you believe LE statements.

 

[CoolJ]

He strikes me as a person that cannot stop talking. And he was likely live on Social Media as the shooting was occurring, tweeting and posting inaccurate information due to the absolute chaos in the moment. People consumed that information at the time, with no reason to believe it to be incorrect. But it's living on. Even after he retracted certain statements.

In the aftermath, he retracted the statement of multiple shooters. I also don't think its strange that he may have known a security guard was shot, he was there, he was staying next door to the shooter, and LE definitely would have interviewed every single guest on that floor.

As far as the "well thats the room the shooters in" comment, I don't take it as the shooter was literally in his room. I am chalking it up to a poor paraphrase from a person that clearly likes to talk and has a circumstantial thought process and speaking style.

It's certainly possible that SP breached it while BH was at dinner. But we don't know that yet. And neither does Brian, as he never made it back to his room next door to the shooter that night, nor had he been back to his room at the time of that interview. Imo, he poorly paraphrased what LE stated to him when he was asking when he would be allowed back in his room.

I believe BH was in the room next door to the shooter's huge vista suite. I do not believe that he is hiding anything at all or at all involved. JMO.

Link to support your claim BH poorly paraphrased? It is crystal clear to me what he said.

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[CoolJ]

The security guard is alive and there were not multiple shooters in Mandalay Bay, if you believe LE statements.

Where are you getting that information from???

Links??? MSM sources only

 

[pinklilies]

Is it possible that S.P. had enough time to drill through the lock of the hotel room next door and smash out the window and fire from there?

I mean no disrespect to everyone on this thread who I believe are genuinely looking at all of the facts surrounding this.

Personally I have had great difficulty getting enough 'facts' or pieces of the puzzle to even try to look at this in a clearer way.

I am just merely thinking out loud.

I don't think S.P. would have had the time. Would he have?

I’m late joining the discussion but, regarding the room next door. If indeed the room was rented to BH, is it possible SP did somehow gain entry and fired at the tanks from there, before returning to his own suite and firing at the crowd. The door left ajar that the SG was investigating, could have been the door to Paddocks own room. Left ajar for easy access after firing at the tanks from the room next door. There seems there was a gap in firing at the beginning, maybe that was when he went from the second room back to his own. He could have had the food cart set up ready to just pull across in front of the next room once he had left. Sounds far fetched I know.

If it is as SillyBilly suggests and the two rooms are adjoining with an internal door then my scenario is not remotely viable.

I am baffled by the cameras, their use and where he was seeing what the cameras were showing him. Was it relayed on a computer or showing on a tv screen? He was busy shooting, not sure how he had time to keep an eye on what was happening in the corridors.

 

[everybodhi]

How has BH been proven wrong? Support your statements. I thought MSM vetted these people.

What a joke.

Do you think he was right when he said, "obviously, as an Aussie, this is a regular occurrence with me"? Because I think he mis spoke.
He meant to say something else entirely, I believe.

 

[PrairieWind]

Does anyone know if the 32 floor of the MB is open right now? It would be great if someone could get photos of the hallway layout and what numbers are on what rooms. If 200 rounds were fired into the hallway, those bullets went somewhere. Love to see what damage there was, though I suppose it is largely repaired by now.

 

[bears10]

Where are you getting that information from???

Links??? MSM sources only

"I'm waiting for the police to come get us. There are multiple shooters with automatic weapons. One of the shooters was shooting from my hotel room floor."

https://m.qt.com.au/news/active-shooter-vegas-casino/3230248/


“There were multiple people dead and multiple shooters. I was just hiding waiting for police to come get us.

Snip

“My floor is a crime scene. They killed a security guard on my floor.”


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.co...k/news-story/17c907f4046f30ccfedf831e27e93cc8

Eta

An Australian man who said he was in a room next to Paddock also added to the reports with a Facebook post that “multiple shooters” were at the scene. Brian Hodge retracted the account a day later.

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/10/07/not-real-news-a-look-at-what-didnt-happen-this-week/

 

[kittythehare]

Don't know for sure, but that is what I am suggesting ... that suite 134 consists of two rooms and can be 1 or 2 rooms, depending on need. So both rooms being part of suite 134 but one of which can be locked off and utilized by the guests of 135 if not needed by 134.

JMO

Might be something here.. will keep digging, if not
https://www.tripadvisor.ie/ShowTopi...tels-Mandalay-Bay-Resort-And-Casino.15480.ksp
this may be useful https://www.google.ie/search?q=suit...hXBWRoKHf0rCZMQ9QEIPTAF#imgrc=73MfaW8ZlHkKeM:

 

[kittythehare]

Does anyone know if the 32 floor of the MB is open right now? It would be great if someone could get photos of the hallway layout and the what numbers are on what rooms.

http://static4.uk.businessinsider.c...8d4d3d0dad55-1200/heres-the-suites-layout.jpg

 

[Spice]

Link to support your claim BH poorly paraphrased? It is crystal clear to me what he said.

And once again you are putting words in people's mouths. Nobody said BH is hiding anything or involved. This is at least the 3rd time you have done that.

He said what he said. You can't change that.

Not only am I not trying to change what he said, I actually took the time to transcribe it word for word. It is crystal clear what he said. What is not crystal clear, is what he meant by it.

And LOL, I do not have to provide a link to my own opinion. It is an opinion, not fact, and I clearly stated so.

I have a right to express a differing opinion , as do you, as does everyone else on this forum. . In an earlier post of yours you related that BH was either "inserting himself into an investigation" or "lying" in relation to this interview. People usually lie to hide things, therefore I made the logical conclusion that -that is what your thoughts were. A differing opinion does not amount to "putting words in people's mouths"

I am not taking his comment literally for all of the reasons I posted in other posts. It's okay if we differ. It's not personal.

 

[everybodhi]

Where are you getting that information from???

Links??? MSM sources only

Do you really need a link that the security guard is still alive?
Google, "Ellen and LV security guard."
As far as I know, there is only one suspect, is there evidence of another suspect that I missed?
More than 50 dead and 400 injured in shooting on Las Vegas Strip; police say lone suspect is dead

"Right now we believe it’s a solo act, a lone wolf attacker,” Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said. “We are pretty confident there is no longer a threat.” The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department is a joint city-county force headed by the sheriff.

 

[bluesneakers]

&#8216;Ellen&#8217; producers mum on how they landed Jesus Campos interview

Responding to a request to speak to anyone from &#8220;The Ellen DeGeneres Show&#8221; about the interview, the show&#8217;s director of publicity, Melissa Little Padgitt, said in an email, &#8220;We have no additional information to provide other than what Ellen, Jesus and Stephen discussed on the show.&#8221;

&#8220;Thank you so much for being here,&#8221; DeGeneres told Campos. &#8220;And I know that you&#8217;ve had so many people asking for you to tell the story and to talk about this. And I understand your reluctance, because you just want this to be over. So you&#8217;re talking about it now, and then you&#8217;re not going to talk about it again. And I don&#8217;t blame you, because why relive this over and over again?&#8221;

If this really was Campos&#8217; only media appearance, he couldn&#8217;t have chosen a more welcoming atmosphere &#8212; or had one chosen for him. Aside from helping them tell their stories, one of the few questions DeGeneres asked Campos and Schuck was, &#8220;How are each of you doing?&#8221;

 

[komodo]

Its obvious Ellen is a shill for Mgm. I am not buying into CTs, but as someone posted some pages ago, this is obviously a damage control excercise in terms of liability and the lawsuits that will inevitably follow.
From all the conflicting information it looks like they are scrambling for some kind of scenario that would at least make the Mgm look good (probably Mgm screwed up somewhere &#8212; response time, 911 call, comping Paddock, you name it) and the past two weeks of dis/mis/information are the result of this

 

[Spice]

I&#8217;m late joining the discussion but, regarding the room next door. If indeed the room was rented to BH, is it possible SP did somehow gain entry and fired at the tanks from there, before returning to his own suite and firing at the crowd. The door left ajar that the SG was investigating, could have been the door to Paddocks own room. Left ajar for easy access after firing at the tanks from the room next door. There seems there was a gap in firing at the beginning, maybe that was when he went from the second room back to his own. He could have had the food cart set up ready to just pull across in front of the next room once he had left. Sounds far fetched I know.

If it is as SillyBilly suggests and the two rooms are adjoining with an internal door then my scenario is not remotely viable.

I am baffled by the cameras, their use and where he was seeing what the cameras were showing him. Was it relayed on a computer or showing on a tv screen? He was busy shooting, not sure how he had time to keep an eye on what was happening in the corridors.

Interesting points.

Re the BBM:

To me, this is probably when SP stopped shooting at the crowd momentarily to shoot at JC after hearing the door slam. JC thought he had heard drilling when it was really gunfire according to his interview. SP then turned his attention back to the crowd. The engineer arrives and thinks he is hearing a jackhammer. JC tells him to take cover. Their story lines up with the pause and then return to the shooting at the crowd. IMO.