NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[bears10]

I found a couple more interviews with Brian Hodge, it seems he's making the rounds with Australian media.
In the Carrie & Tommy interview, he doesn't tell the part about hearing shooting, outside, on his way to the hotel after dinner, as he said in previous interviews.
In this one, he starts with saying he was staying on the 32nd floor, he went up the lift after dinner, saw the girl that said there's a shooter, and then went down through the kitchen, warning everyone to leave. After hiding in the bushes for 3 1/2 hours, with his team, the cops saw them. The cops searched them then let them off the property, they walked four or five hours up the strip and stayed somewhere else.
He said people were silent on the walk down the strip, it was very quiet. He praises the cops for saving people and the importance of social media use in the middle of the tragedy.
He says they came back the next day to Mandalay Bay. At that time, he got permission to go up to the 32 floor to get his things, and was given a choice to get his things from his room himself or have them retrieved by the cops. He decided to go himself but when he got to the 32 floor, he was too overwhelmed by the memory of the shooting, the sound of the guns, and didn't want to go back to his room, so he asked the cops to retrieve his things for him.
He wraps it up by saying people shouldn't be allowed to bring 20 guns with scopes and stuff into a hotel room and it shouldn't be allowed.
In the second linked interview, It's shorter but a lot of the same, I did not notice anything new, there.
He never mentions a security guard being killed in these interviews.

Carrie & Tommy BRIAN HODGE VEGAS INTERVIEW

Dave, Sam & Ash, LAS VEGAS - Brian Hodge

That’s for the rundown of the video.

So if cops just handed over his belongings the next day, it’d feel comfortable assuming SP was not shooting from that guys room.

 

[bears10]

IMO lying often leads to many versions - in any context!!!

, All along , since learning of the cameras in the beginning , I went to sting gone wrong- they certainly have not provided any information to change that belief.

In the last three weeks there has been what two
pressers one with no questions -- it was like a book reading !!

Pulse. Aurora, Sandy, San Bern there were pressers constantly, for months, with new info all the time.

I think he sent her the money cause he knew things might be spiralling out and he did not want her hurt or worse.

The theatre in Aurora was an active crime scene for months, as was Pulse.

They are not even having the civility to keep everyone updated on the status of the injured.

The hunt for motivation (sting gone wrong) will never be located ...........there is none.....

A leaker would be ideal -- I think we would be stunned at the depth of the operations in this regard. Been running for years IMO.

FIts with the two planes as well , Anyone involved in this has no internet prescience - what agencies have to capacity to make that happen

Honestly- have any of us ever seen a situation where everyone involved has nothing to sleuth?

IMO gun running for personal profit OR possibility that the operation was about busting entities that were attempting to buy the kind of weapons he had dozens of

Don't think we are gonna hear another thing about it -- except possibly their mixing in some brain defect stuff

Speculation only

there is rarely a "motive" to get
killed.............................

I don’t understand what you mean by “sting gone wrong”. there is nothing to point to him dealing guns either.

He didn’t “get” killed. He killed himself. Suicide is far different than getting killed by someone else.

 

[Manterro]

Interesting.

"Vegas security guard was pressured to give interview to Ellen"

 

[komodo]

So,all the CTs want interviews from witnesses and now they are attention seekers?

Don't count me in with the CT people, I'm just saying what I think. Man with you Americans it's always binary - democrats or republicans, CT or MSM, you name it..

 

[JaneEyre]

On the topic of early reporting errors, Charlottesville is a great example of how easily this can happen with no ill intent. Very soon after the car hit the crowd, it was reported that a LEO said the perpetrator was apprehended, that it seemed it was likely an accident, and that the driver was upset about it. This was an example of a LEO being eager to talk (there are folks like this in every profession) before really knowing what was going on.

The reporter was faithful in the account he was given, so he wasn't at fault. However, the LEO had heard too many things going on in radio transmissions and at the station and had not sorted them out yet. It turned out that he had two incidents mixed up, and combined information that ended up not being totally true in either case. He was not actually on either scene.

This added fuel to a politically charged incident. That's why information is always going to be questionable to report until we have an actual incident report from someone who has put the entire thing together.

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[JaneEyre]

A Las Vegas hospital won't bill victims for treatment.

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/news/a46464/las-vegas-hospital-waives-medical-costs/

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[Spice]

And this is why 54 years later, we still do not know the real story on the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

We are still waiting on "the facts always rise to the top in the end".

This massacre has too many sides needing a certain storyline to ever know the actual truth. The media is too occupied telling us about SP, hoping we will forget all the "news" since it happened.

Eventually, all sides are going to have to agree on an adjusted timeline and story for the lawsuits.

My opinion only.

We didn't have social media and a 24 hour news cycle in 1963 to help spread massive amounts of misinformation at lightening speed during the initial chaos and thereafter.

I'm not sure why the media would be invested in "hoping we forget all of the news" since it happened. Can you elaborate? I can be and am critical of our media, more for it's attention deficit disorder than actively nefarious motivation surrounding the national tragedy. I do not believe that is the case in MSM.

The timeline is adjusted. The investigation is ongoing. And it' s not weird for a timeline or information to change this early in an investigation surrounding a massacre this profound, this chaotic, and this large in scope.

 

[zencompass]

It's a good thing there wasn't a drugged hostage in the room who could have 'accidentally' been shot by LE when SWAT stormed the room.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...strip-due-to-shooting/?utm_term=.041d950bd466

October 2
SWAT officers ultimately stormed the room and some fired shots, though Paddock is believed to have killed himself, Lombardo said.

Dear Seeseas,

Thank you for your post. You got me thinking.

For an individual to commit such a "monstrous" act, and for such a "calculating" person, it is astonishing that S.P. didn't equip the room or his body with explosives to kill everyone who entered the room.

He had all of the explosives in his car. It makes me wonder what he planned to do with them. Thank God he didn't take them to the room.

 

[zencompass]

In my opinion, S.P. not taking explosives to his room speaks a bit to his "motive".

Did he not want to "destroy" as much life as possible? Or was it more that he felt so "powerful" during the shooting.

I know, we will never know his motive. But it does point a bit to what he wanted to (in an evil way) accomplish.

He could have "taken out" all of the law enforcement which he would have known would follow the path to S.P.'s room. But he didn't.

 

[zencompass]

He could have planned to have a "remote" to set off his car full of explosives. But he didn't set it off. I wonder, did he have a remote?

 

[zencompass]

To me, S.P. not planning to set off explosives could speak to his desire for "power and control" and that he wanted to feel the "power" in the trigger, and that he "controlled" the terror of the lives down below.

If he used explosives then he wouldn't have had the fine detail of the connection between him and the gun trigger. It wouldn't have felt as "personal" to him. It is difficult to me, for any one of us, to think as a "monster" does.

I am thinking of forensics behavior.

I am also greatly thankful, as is everyone, that S.P. did not use explosives, whether that was his intent or not.

Having said this, I will never forget the victims and their families in this horrid massacre. I pray that those still in hospital can recuperate. I know that most of the people affected will never be the same, physically or mentally. This saddens my heart.

This massacre has shaken me to the core.

 

[JaneEyre]

To me, S.P. not planning to set off explosives could speak to his desire for "power and control" and that he wanted to feel the "power" in the trigger, and that he "controlled" the terror of the lives down below.

If he used explosives then he wouldn't have had the fine detail of the connection between him and the gun trigger. It wouldn't have felt as "personal" to him. It is difficult to me, for any one of his, to think as a "monster" does.

I am thinking of forensics behavior.

I am also greatly thankful, as is everyone, that S.P. did not use explosives, whether that was his intent or not.

Yes, there is a more direct feeling of power behind a gun. You feel the power leaving your hands.

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[Gooddeeds]

http://nypost.com/2017/10/19/vegas-security-guard-was-pressured-to-give-interview-to-ellen/

-From the above article posted from Manterro. This says a lot. What is significant about JC being shot before or after? Why were no officials called to task on why they changed that?


“A Mandalay Bay security guard was pressured to give his first interview about the mass shooting in Las Vegas to Ellen DeGeneres because company bigwigs feared a real journalist would have grilled him about the timeline, according to a report.

 

[JaneEyre]

http://nypost.com/2017/10/19/vegas-security-guard-was-pressured-to-give-interview-to-ellen/

-From the above article posted from Manterro. This says a lot. What is significant about JC being shot before or after? Why were no officials called to task on why they changed that?


“A Mandalay Bay security guard was pressured to give his first interview about the mass shooting in Las Vegas to Ellen DeGeneres because company bigwigs feared a real journalist would have grilled him about the timeline, according to a report.

Police initially referred to Jesus Campos as a “hero” — saying he intervened about midway through the mass shooting and caused Stephen Paddock to stop firing.

Surely, that's a lot more than 10% of the article.






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[Jax49]

Surely, that's a lot more than 10% of the article.

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For sure.

I kept looking for the "opinion" tag with the article but didn't find one. Almost the entire piece reads as opinion, imho.

 

[MistyWaters]

“If you watch the entire show, the venue is not where I would have put these two heroes to tell their story,” David Hickey, president of the International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America, told Fox News. “I’m not criticizing Mr. Campos and his decision, since he has been through a horrendous event, but what I was saying is it’s not the venue I would have chosen or recommended.”.............

"He added the casino giant’s executives cited worries about Campos' “health” and expressed concern about the “stress” of appearing on five shows.

“I felt like this was a time that Mr. Campos should be made comfortable and confident to do something he had never done before, to speak on air and to do it live,” Hickey said."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/2...as-mandalay-bay-ordered-to-keep-evidence.html

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Oh my goodness if this is accurate, what a good thing that JC had someone on his behalf looking over his shoulder. five live shows egad. Hickey "isn't criticizing JC's decision". Okayyyy.

This is where it gets very troubling imo - elusions of power and control by the various vested interests over victims as if they are mere puppets for who they represent. And overlooking the fact that real people are involved and JC had the right to make an informed choice that was best for him.

 

[MistyWaters]

For sure.

I kept looking for the "opinion" tag with the article but didn't find one. Almost the entire piece reads as opinion, imho.

The first paragraph revealed a whole lot about the professionalism of the writer of stated "report" that was provided to NYPost.

“A Mandalay Bay security guard was pressured to give his first interview about the mass shooting in Las Vegas to Ellen DeGeneres because company bigwigs feared a real journalist would have grilled him about the timeline, according to a report."

 

[MistyWaters]

20 remain hospitalized after Las Vegas mass shooting
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/20-remain-hospitalized-after-las-vegas-mass-shooting/

5 of the 20 are still listed in critical condition. I feel very sad for all those who are still hospitalized almost three weeks later. Their serious injuries caused by a lunatic who viciously spewed his vile and bitterness at life upon strangers, who up to the moment of the shooting, were merely enjoying an evening of entertainment. Why, why, why?....

 

[kittythehare]

To me, S.P. not planning to set off explosives could speak to his desire for "power and control" and that he wanted to feel the "power" in the trigger, and that he "controlled" the terror of the lives down below.

If he used explosives then he wouldn't have had the fine detail of the connection between him and the gun trigger. It wouldn't have felt as "personal" to him. It is difficult to me, for any one of us, to think as a "monster" does.

I am thinking of forensics behavior.

I am also greatly thankful, as is everyone, that S.P. did not use explosives, whether that was his intent or not.

Having said this, I will never forget the victims and their families in this horrid massacre. I pray that those still in hospital can recuperate. I know that most of the people affected will never be the same, physically or mentally. This saddens my heart.

This massacre has shaken me to the core.

Me too, shaken to my core.. fighting the impulse that pushes this shock aside...relegating every sordid crime against humanity is never a good game, imo.

He could have done a whole lot more damage and raised his casualty list enormously had he chosen to wear an explosives vest, any kind of a device at all.. if indeed his aim was multi casualties..
If it was not, wdh was it about for HIM, not for an observer, for the killer..
Equally, he could have placed an incendiary device on any floor of that hotel, put it on a timer and left the building prior to detonation.. Sadly the instructions for such a device are easily available online and have been for quite some time. So the know-how was available to him, the ingredients/components easily available.. yet he chose guns..

Lots of very loose threads in this man's action..the oil-tanks would not explode, he could have checked that out.. he was known to be methodical.. yet theres little enough evidence of it in his actions..
His entire autopsy report may throw up something organic.. hard to guess at it.

 

[PrairieWind]

In my opinion, S.P. not taking explosives to his room speaks a bit to his "motive".

Did he not want to "destroy" as much life as possible? Or was it more that he felt so "powerful" during the shooting.

I know, we will never know his motive. But it does point a bit to what he wanted to (in an evil way) accomplish.

He could have "taken out" all of the law enforcement which he would have known would follow the path to S.P.'s room. But he didn't.

Remember that early on the Sheriff indicated that it appears SP intended to escape the room. So I suspect that he had other plans for those explosives and another part of the massacre that never developed. We don't, and may never know, why SP stopped shooting when he did and why his plan fell apart.