NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

[Spice]

You are right VMM.
And I do think it was done to largely comfort employees.

 

[MistyWaters]

I have always felt, from the beginning of this investigation, when so few details were coming out that power and money were effectively shutting this down.

This is why I believe that so many questions the public had (and has) will never be answered. This is my opinion.

60 billion dollars a year. I can't even fathom that. That is from tourism alone!

Aside from the reason the investigation is taking awhile because SP's travelling and solitary lifestyle makes his history very difficult to track, I can't think of one hypothetical reason for "power and money" to stall it. Can you? Something so insidious and dispicable that had the potential of grinding LVs gigantic tourism industry to a halt. My mind just can't go there because of instantaneous media coverage of worldwide news, we've become bombarded and as a result somewhat conditioned with situations involving shootings, other horrible crime, terrorism, scandal and corruption. It can happen anywhere and the reality is it does. But using the cup half full, half empty analogy, that's why tourists will continue to flock to LV for relaxation, an opportunity to visit nearby locations, to celebrate occasions, attend trade shows and conferences or even just to gamble, although LV no longer holds the monopoly on casinos.

My intent is most certainly not to minimize the tragedy because for the victims and witneses their trauma, injuries, suffering and loss of loved ones is very real, a life-altering experience. But even some of them have said they're not going to allow fear to rule their lives. This fellow talks about revisiting the scene in terms of beneficial therapy:

"A week after the shooting, McInerney returned to the concert grounds, which were still cordoned off from the public. As best he could, he tried to retrace the steps of his escape to the MGM Grand parking lot, about a mile away, where he had parked his truck.

“I was just trying to piece it together,” he said. “That was one coping way for me to kind of put everything in perspective.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/02/...-the-las-vegas-shooting-most-of-the-time.html

 

[MzOpinion8d]

"............What happened was this, the sheriff said: The security guard, Jesus Campos, had been alerted that a room on the 32nd floor had a door that had been held open for a long period of time. He found that the door to that floor from the stairwell had been barricaded, and he radioed in to report that at 9:59 p.m.

The mystery of Stephen Paddock — gambler, real estate investor, mass killer
Campos, Lombardo said, then took the stairs to the 33rd floor, exited, walked to the elevators and took one back down to the 32nd floor. He was shot in the leg as he walked outside Paddock’s door.

“So subsequently you have a couple minutes of him going up, going down the elevators and back down the hallway and then he encounters the suspect,” Lombardo said. “He receives a wound, he attempts to go through his radio and then he also confirms his communication with dispatch via cellphone.”

All of the timelines have shown that Paddock opened fire on the crowd at 10:05 p.m. What time did Campos report that he had been shot? Police have never said, and Lombardo didn’t elaborate on that in the televised interview...."
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-sheriff-20171102-story.html

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IIRC JC said he was on the 31st floor when he got the call about the door alarm. So he uses the stairwell to the 32nd floor but it's blocked, calls in, then continues using the stairwell to the 33rd floor, takes the elevator back down to the 32nd floor, As he's heading down the hallway in the area of the fire escape blocked door and room 32135, he gets shot at and then calls in a second time..

Well okay, if we voted on versions this one does seem somewhat more logical to me.

Except that it was supposedly a slamming door in the hallway that alerted Paddock that Campos was there...

 

[MistyWaters]

All they have to do is blur everyone else out. I see footage like that all the time.

And what is the reason you see footage like that all the time? I can think of various instances - to seek the publics assistance in identifying or locating a perp or to prove an indictment of criminal behaviour because the perp is facing charges.

This is different, the perp is dead.

What is the reason you think LE should release CCTV footage, aside from public curiosity?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Yes, according to Lombardo:

"Two Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department officers already were at the Mandalay Bay on another call and began working their way up the stairs as the shooting began. They, too, came across the barricaded stairwell door.

“So that was right around 10 minutes they were able to do that. So that’s pretty amazing in public safety time you call dispatch, you get a revise, you formulate a plan, you ascend the stairwell, you have no idea what floor it is, you’re receiving information from disparate directions, and then you encounter this blocked doorway — and that was right around 10 minutes,” Lombardo said.

“And then our other officers ascended via the elevator bank and came out into the foyer or hallway from the elevator bank there — right around 12 minutes. During that time, the suspect had stopped firing. And so when we don’t hear any firing taking place, then it becomes slow and methodical.”
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-sheriff-20171102-story.html

Those two cops made it up 32 flights of stairs in 10 min? That seems like it would be nearly impossible.

 

[JaneEyre]

And what is the reason you see footage like that all the time? I can think of various instances - to seek the publics assistance in identifying a perp or to prove an indictment of criminal behaviour because the perp is facing charges.

This is different, the perp is dead and LE does not require proof of his crimes.

What is the reason you think LE should release CCTV footage, aside from public curiosity?

Yeah, that takes man hours they probably can't spare right now when it's not crucial to solving anything in the investigation. Unless that changes.

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[Tawny]

Those two cops made it up 32 flights of stairs in 10 min? That seems like it would be nearly impossible.

That seems about exactly right, actually. Especially considering adrenaline.

 

[MistyWaters]

Except that it was supposedly a slamming door in the hallway that alerted Paddock that Campos was there...

Is that a double set of doors in the stairwell? I don't know but it appears to be.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/us/vegas-shooting-hotel-room.html

 

[MzOpinion8d]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ao...ed-to-his-child-*advertiser censored*-arrest/

“Law enforcement sources told TMZ that the day after Stephen Paddock opened fire at a Las Vegas country music festival, his brother began bragging to other patients at the facility about what his brother had done”

“After a staff member at the home checked Bruce's file and discovered Stephen Paddock was listed as his emergency contact, the employee alerted the Los Angeles Police Department, assuming officials would want to interview him in connection with the shooting”

Ummmm...HIPAA violation much?

 

[MistyWaters]

Those two cops made it up 32 flights of stairs in 10 min? That seems like it would be nearly impossible.

Two cops climbed 32 flights of stairs? No. Rather than jumping to wrong conclusions, if you read the linked report you'd learn that nowhere does it say that. Apparently the two were already inside the building responding to an unrelated concern.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

And what is the reason you see footage like that all the time? I can think of various instances - to seek the publics assistance in identifying or locating a perp or to prove an indictment of criminal behaviour because the perp is facing charges.

This is different, the perp is dead.

What is the reason you think LE should release CCTV footage, aside from public curiosity?

Transparency, for one.

Video footage has been released for many tragedies over the years. It's not like it's new for the public to want to know what happened.

There's footage of JFK's brains literally being blown out of his head.

Why do you think it's not important? Throughout these threads your stance seems to be that we should accept whatever LE says without question. I can't do that.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Is that a double set of doors in the stairwell? I don't know but it appears to be.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/us/vegas-shooting-hotel-room.html

It does look like you go through one door into a vestibule and then another door into the stairway.

 

[canadiangirl]

Yeah, that takes man hours they probably can't spare right now when it's not crucial to solving anything in the investigation. Unless that changes.

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IMO I think who he is interacting with or if he is with anyone is pretty crucial.
Retracing someone's steps is common practice in any investigation I've followed whether they are dead or alive.



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[JaneEyre]

IMO I think who he is interacting with or if he is with anyone is pretty crucial.
Retracing someone's steps is common practice in any investigation I've followed whether they are dead or alive.



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It's important for LE to see, but if releasing that footage poses problems for operating the business, it's not necessary for the public to see.

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[bluesneakers]

I am uncomfortable with the outright ridicule of a space being blessed after employees were uncomfortable going to this floor.

Whether it's done by a Catholic priest with holy water or a Native American with sage, it's a common practice and perhaps one that gave some employees some comfort. I don't see what it has to do with the case except to mention in passing.

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I agree.

I wanted to make sure he was a real priest though, and I am curious about whether or not he had permission or did it on his own, especially since he is attached to a university. Either one is okay by me, just interested. (A parish priest, you know who his boss is, but in this case I'm not sure who would need to approve his actions, if anyone.)

 

[canadiangirl]

Yeah, that takes man hours they probably can't spare right now when it's not crucial to solving anything in the investigation. Unless that changes.

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IMO I think who he is interacting with or if he is with anyone is pretty crucial.
Retracing someone's steps is common practice in any investigation I've followed whether they are dead or alive.



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It's important for LE to see, but if releasing that footage poses problems for operating the business, it's not necessary for the public to see.

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I was responding to your comment that said it would take man hours and wouldnt be crucial to the investigation. Regardless who sees it, I believe it's a very important element. MOO

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[Gooddeeds]

"bragging?" I hope they thoroughly investigate him. Sounds like he is already showing red flags if he bragged about a mass shooter?! ok, Bruce not the other brother..whew. I was afraid we had a trio of psychopaths on our hands.

-Who will be his emergency contact now???

 

[x_files]

-Who will be his emergency contact now???

Don't think SP needs one anymore. Hopefully, they keep tabs on Bruce and not let him walk after the child *advertiser censored* was found.

 

[canadiangirl]

Don't think SP needs one anymore. Hopefully, they keep tabs on Bruce and not let him walk after the child *advertiser censored* was found.

Interesting it was only found after his brother is in the spotlight moo

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[JaneEyre]

I agree.

I wanted to make sure he was a real priest though, and I am curious about whether or not he had permission or did it on his own, especially since he is attached to a university. Either one is okay by me, just interested. (A parish priest, you know who his boss is, but in this case I'm not sure who would need to approve his actions, if anyone.)

I am a cradle Catholic, and as far as I know, priests do not need permission to bless a place, people, or animals. This is just an everyday occurrence, frankly. Nothing out of the ordinary about it. They need permission to do actual exorcisms, and those are rare and extremely involved - nothing like this (but I get the feeling some in the thread were looking at it that way). I could call a priest today and ask him to bless my house, my chickens, my rosary, or whatever, and he'd be out here as soon as he had time. No red tape involved, no reason needed. It's just part of what they do.

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