NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

[CoolJ]

First thing that stood out to me right off the bat.....why are there 2 windows broken in the hotel room if there is only one shooter?....this makes no sense...absolutely zero....if bullets came from that room (which i am still skeptical about) then there were at least two shooters, no question in my mind

Second, if you watch the video that was captured by somebody up high in mandalay bay during the shooting (sorry do not have link) what stands out most to me in that video is there is no dirt being "kicked up" off the ground from bullets that have hit the ground...if you have ever seen gunfire from up high like this into a dirt field, there is always a very noticeable cloud of smoke/dirt at least 6 feet high in the air when a bullet hits the ground, i see none of this in that video.....this makes me think all the shooting could have taken place at ground level,

stop believing the nonsense that our government and LE are trying to feed you, these people are living off people who are gullible and will believe anything they say....you should fear our government more then any others on this earth,

Many folks here rely 100% on main stream media to get their information, so it's likely they don't know what you are talking about with regards to the video from the top floors of MBay.

Did you see the video of FBI cleaning up a few days later? Doesn't appear to be any bullet holes in the tent tops or roofs of the trailers.

It is nonsense, indeed.

 

[canadiangirl]

And even if we did know, anyone who believes Paddock was misidentified would still find a reason to question.

Sometimes I feel as though some people, especially younger ones who've grown up with social media, think others don't exist without proof of a Facebook account.

I wouldn't say it has anything to do with Facebook. This is 2017 and everyone leaves a digital footprint, unless you live in a cave. And he obviously had a computer and cell phones so his footprint is out there. JMO

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[Deleted member 158085]

First thing that stood out to me right off the bat.....why are there 2 windows broken in the hotel room if there is only one shooter?....this makes no sense...absolutely zero....if bullets came from that room (which i am still skeptical about) then there were at least two shooters, no question in my mind

Second, if you watch the video that was captured by somebody up high in mandalay bay during the shooting (sorry do not have link) what stands out most to me in that video is there is no dirt being "kicked up" off the ground from bullets that have hit the ground...if you have ever seen gunfire from up high like this into a dirt field, there is always a very noticeable cloud of smoke/dirt at least 6 feet high in the air when a bullet hits the ground, i see none of this in that video.....this makes me think all the shooting could have taken place at ground level,

stop believing the nonsense that our government and LE are trying to feed you, these people are living off people who are gullible and will believe anything they say....you should fear our government more then any others on this earth,

You might want to go back and read through the whole thread again, as much of this, including the windows, were discussed quite some time ago. You might get some of your questions answered.

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[CoolJ]

It makes perfect sense: He shot out one window, couldn't get the angle or access he wanted, or the victims started moving, and so moved to a different window.

Moved to a different window in a different room, apparently occupied by Australian Brian Hodges.

 

[Gooddeeds]

-In revisiting, did we get confirmation on Larry Jesus Campos being terminated in 2015, and not certified for firearms as well? TIA

“Every security guard working in Nevada, armed or unarmed, has to register with the Nevada Private Investigators Licensing Board”

NPILB

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Yet, you seem to "know" that SP was identified via photograph. Interesting.

Your reading comprehension is off, if you think that.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Yet, you seem to "know" that SP was identified via photograph. Interesting.

Read again:

So? We don't know if he or MD identified (or someone else), or how they identified. They may have been given a choice in how.

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[bluesneakers]

Moved to a different window in a different room, apparently occupied by Australian Brian Hodges.

I believe it was two windows in different rooms of the same suite.

Although even if he managed to get into and shoot from someone else's room it doesn't change anything - two broken windows does not mean there were two shooters. Unless someone can prove shots were coming out of both windows simultaneously.

 

[Gooddeeds]

I wouldn't say it has anything to do with Facebook. This is 2017 and everyone leaves a digital footprint, unless you live in a cave. And he obviously had a computer and cell phones so his footprint is out there. JMO

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-Combined with the footprints of MB, 911, dispatch, LE. There is no escaping the many footprints.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I was replying to the fact we know his brother was in LV so saying he could have done it without coming doesn't matter. He was there. But I didn't hear any reports of his family positively ID him? Why not? He was right in LV

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I don't think we always know who identifies a body. The answer is that simple to me. I don't expect to know unless it's relevant. Since the idea that our government, and all those cops on the scene, would engage in a cover up over the body of Stephen Paddock seems like a pretty outlandish conspiracy theory to most, it's not been relevant to the average person, and so hasn't been brought up.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Deleting my own post for snark. Don't wish to be thrown out today!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

-In revisiting, did we get confirmation on Larry Jesus Campos being terminated in 2015, and not certified for firearms as well? TIA

“Every security guard working in Nevada, armed or unarmed, has to register with the Nevada Private Investigators Licensing Board”

NPILB

IIRC, information has also already been presented in this thread stating that Campos did not need to register.

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[ohreally]

As most of you know, WS does not normally allow discussion of conspiracies, but due to the sheer magnitude of this tragedy, members have been extended a lot of leeway compared to what is normally allowed/disallowed under The Rules.

Based on rational and objective consideration of MSM/LE information we have to date, there is nothing to substantiate a conspiracy in this case. Those who favor a conspiracy scenario do not have their opinions validated when they can't provide more than conjecture that conspiracies exist in this case.

No matter how factually opinions are presented by those who don’t support a conspiracy, those who believe there is one won’t accept that others hold a different point of view based on objective analysis of what is available through MSM/LE at this time. Neither side is going to convince the other to swing to their belief, and reasonable debate between those two groups becomes next to impossible.

So let's move on from the conspiracy theory discussions and stick to facts available to us through the usual MSM/LE, and few WS approved blogs.

As of now, it`s back to WS standard procedure, which in part is:

If a person is a victim, do not disparage them or accuse them
If something is your opinion, make that very clear
If you state something as fact, you must provide a link
If you post a pic, you must provide a link
If you can't link it in accordance with WS regular criterion, then you can`t post it or you must get approval from Mods/Admin/Tricia to do so


Please Thank all of the opening posts to indicate that you have read and understand what is expected.

:tyou:

Bumped.

 

[CoolJ]

I believe it was two windows in different rooms of the same suite.

Although even if he managed to get into and shoot from someone else's room it doesn't change anything - two broken windows does not mean there were two shooters. Unless someone can prove shots were coming out of both windows simultaneously.

It is certainly unclear, but based on everything I have looked at, it looked like 2 separate rooms. 135 and 134. But you are right, it doesn't prove two shooters. It is just strange that he would need two windows so close together. Not that much of a different vantage point IMO.

 

[CoolJ]

Oh, lord. Go back and read the thread again. The Brian Hodges thing was already debunked.

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That would be great if it were true. It sure would answer some questions for me.

Please link to me where you think it is "debunked"


FYI - I am not going to be bullied off of this thread again, so kindly scroll and roll if you can't handle other peoples opinions

 

[Pickl]

It makes perfect sense: He shot out one window, couldn't get the angle or access he wanted, or the victims started moving, and so moved to a different window.

im not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but i will take it as serious,

if this was planned out ahead of time, don't you think he would have realized that before he smashed the damn window?....LOL

also, when you are shooting at a target, or targets, that far away, moving over 30 or 40 feet is not going to matter or give you a better angle,

 

[PrairieWind]

It makes perfect sense: He shot out one window, couldn't get the angle or access he wanted, or the victims started moving, and so moved to a different window.

Thats my belief too. I think the first shots he fired were to the fuel tanks at the airport and the adjacent room windows gave the best shot to them. SP was apparently right-handed and so the angle from the suite would have been awkward. After those single shots, there is a pause. I believe at this point he moves back to the suite and begins his first bursts into the concert crowd.

 

[canadiangirl]

I don't think we always know who identifies a body. The answer is that simple to me. I don't expect to know unless it's relevant. Since the idea that our government, and all those cops on the scene, would engage in a cover up over the body of Stephen Paddock seems like a pretty outlandish conspiracy theory to most, it's not been relevant to the average person, and so hasn't been brought up.

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No, however often the media will say the body was positivity identified as SP.
Doesn't have to say who. Especially in a case of this magnitude.
I would say it's pretty relevant. Especially to the victims.
Have you read what some of them have said in the media?
They are very upset they still know absolutely nothing. As they should be.
Watch the ABC 20/20 special, "Heather Melton is still haunted by questions.."


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[bluesneakers]

im not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but i will take it as serious,

if this was planned out ahead of time, don't you think he would have realized that before he smashed the damn window?....LOL

also, when you are shooting at a target, or targets, that far away, moving over 30 or 40 feet is not going to matter or give you a better angle,

It was not sarcasm. Two windows shot out does not mean there were two shooters. It's simple and obvious, imo, if you want to prove there were two shooters you are going to need some actual proof, not just something that doesn't make sense to you.

 

[Pickl]

Many folks here rely 100% on main stream media to get their information, so it's likely they don't know what you are talking about with regards to the video from the top floors of MBay.

Did you see the video of FBI cleaning up a few days later? Doesn't appear to be any bullet holes in the tent tops or roofs of the trailers.

It is nonsense, indeed.

agreed.....typical americans, believing everything CNN feeds them.....rediculous