NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

[canadiangirl]

It was not sarcasm. Two windows shot out does not mean there were two shooters. It's simple and obvious, imo, if you want to prove there were two shooters you are going to need some actual proof, not just something that doesn't make sense to you.

So far I haven't seen proof there was only one shooter.. Tons of questions still, especially from the victims. Sad

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[ohreally]

I think he used two windows for one of two reasons. One is to pop up in different windows, in case he was shot back at. Moving from window and popping up to shot could make it harder to shoot him from window. It is also possible that one window was used to shoot at the gas tanks and other window to shoot at crowd.

 

[bluesneakers]

Thats my belief too. I think the first shots he fired were to the fuel tanks at the airport and the adjacent room windows gave the best shot to them. SP was apparently right-handed and so the angle from the suite would have been awkward. After those single shots, there is a pause. I believe at this point he moves back to the suite and begins his first bursts into the concert crowd.

Oh good point. I wasn't even thinking about the fuel tanks.

It's also possible as the crowd moved he wanted to move with them, or that he broke out one window and realized it wasn't good enough. Or maybe he was shooting out of one and thought his cover had been blown so he moved to the other window. There could be a lot of reasons.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Deleting my own post.

 

[bluesneakers]

So far I haven't seen proof there was only one shooter.. Tons of questions still, especially from the victims. Sad

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Does that prove there was more than one shooter? To me it doesn't. I'm open-minded, but two broken windows doesn't prove anything.

 

[canadiangirl]

Not bullying. Just wishing some wouldn't scroll and roll past all the information given that doesn't suit you. That's how answers to questions are missed. Then it gets rehashed weeks later with the same questions that were already answered. Then it's on us to find the link again. If it was a thing here and there, that's one thing. But a half a dozen things already extensively covered in this thread are suddenly being rehashed again this afternoon.

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Yes you're right, a lot of people ask for links again, it is not enough to say it's in the thread. I have tried a few times lol we actually have to link them.

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[canadiangirl]

Does that prove there was more than one shooter? To me it doesn't. I'm open-minded, but two broken windows doesn't prove anything.

No it doesn't, however it doesn't prove to me how many there were. And that is an important missing element IMO

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[Deleted member 158085]

No, however often the media will say the body was positivity identified as SP.
Doesn't have to say who. Especially in a case of this magnitude.
I would say it's pretty relevant. Especially to the victims.
Have you read what some of them have said in the media?
They are very upset they still know absolutely nothing. As they should be.
Watch the ABC 20/20 special, "Heather Melton is still haunted by questions.."


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You have a link showing that the victims are upset that we don't know who identified Paddock's body?

We heard that the shooter had been identified. I would assume, for good reason, that if the shooter's prints don't match Paddock's prints on record from his pilot license, we would have heard about it.

Unless the government and LE are engaged in a conspiracy against us, of course.

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[CoolJ]

Oh good point. I wasn't even thinking about the fuel tanks.

It's also possible as the crowd moved he wanted to move with them, or that he broke out one window and realized it wasn't good enough. Or maybe he was shooting out of one and thought his cover had been blown so he moved to the other window. There could be a lot of reasons.

Blue, the fuel tanks are large circular buildings. He could have hit them from any window from that side of MBay. Assuming he had the skill to do that of course. Big assumption IMO.
He could have hit the running crowd from any window on that side of the building as well.
Cover blown? Maybe...I guess

 

[Deleted member 158085]

agreed.....typical americans, believing everything CNN feeds them.....rediculous

Yes, typical Americans who can critically evaluate information and evidence. Welcome to WS and its standards.

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[Deleted member 158085]

So far I haven't seen proof there was only one shooter.. Tons of questions still, especially from the victims. Sad

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So far, I haven't seen any evidence there were 2 shooters.

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[bluesneakers]

Blue, the fuel tanks are large circular buildings. He could have hit them from any window from that side of MBay. Assuming he had the skill to do that of course. Big assumption IMO.
He could have hit the running crowd from any window on that side of th building as well.
Cover blown? Maybe...I guess

All I'm saying is: two broken windows does not mean there were two shooters. If there is proof there was more than one shooter I'm open-minded, but for someone to say "Obviously that means there was more than one shooter" is not good enough. Hunches and gut feelings or what "makes sense to me" aren't evidence.

 

[canadiangirl]

You have a link showing that the victims are upset that we don't know who identified Paddock's body?

We heard that the shooter had been identified. I would assume, for good reason, that if the shooter's prints don't match Paddock's prints on record from his pilot license, we would have heard about it.

Unless the government and LE are engaged in a conspiracy against us, of course.

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I have a link that says what I said.
That Heather Melton is upset and still has questions 27 days later.
Her part starts around 10:00
"Heather is haunted by questions"

[video=youtu;tQIfR_AJlfg]http://youtu.be/tQIfR_AJlfg[/video]

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[CoolJ]

Not bullying. Just wishing some wouldn't scroll and roll past all the information given that doesn't suit you. That's how answers to questions are missed. Then it gets rehashed weeks later with the same questions that were already answered. Then it's on us to find the link again. If it was a thing here and there, that's one thing. But a half a dozen things already extensively covered in this thread are suddenly being rehashed again this afternoon.

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Link for the debunking of Brian Hodges please? Back up your claims. Seeing as how you are here to correct everyone.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I have a link that says what I said.
That Heather Melton is upset and still has questions 27 days later.
Her part starts around 10:00
"Heather is haunted by questions"

[video=youtu;tQIfR_AJlfg]http://youtu.be/tQIfR_AJlfg[/video]

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You said it was relevant to the victims that we haven't heard who identified the body. Is that in this video?

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[canadiangirl]

So far, I haven't seen any evidence there were 2 shooters.

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Yes we've established there has been no evidence how many shooters there were.
Honestly I don't think we will ever know...
I know what I heard on the police scanner that night, what I have heard from victims and what I saw on raw video as it happened. I have heard what victims are saying as it happened to over a month later. And it is still unclear which to me is ridiculous. MOO

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[bears10]

I was replying to the fact we know his brother was in LV so saying he could have done it without coming doesn't matter. He was there. But I didn't hear any reports of his family positively ID him? Why not? He was right in LV

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Genuine question. Not being sarcastic. Can you provide links to articles about other mass shooters family members identifying their bodies? Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza, etc etc etc. and I don’t mean claimed, which I am sure SPs family will do once his body is released to them. I mean identified.


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[CoolJ]

All I'm saying is: two broken windows does not mean there were two shooters. If there is proof there was more than one shooter I'm open-minded, but for someone to say "Obviously that means there was more than one shooter" is not good enough. Hunches and gut feelings or what "makes sense to me" aren't evidence.

Fair enough. But it is still ok to point out things that don't make sense here, right?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Link for the debunking of Brian Hodges please? Back up your claims. Seeing as how you are here to correct everyone.

I will find it. But I will have to read the thread again (which is a great project for many, I might add).

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[canadiangirl]

No, however often the media will say the body was positivity identified as SP.
Doesn't have to say who. Especially in a case of this magnitude.
I would say it's pretty relevant. Especially to the victims.
Have you read what some of them have said in the media?
They are very upset they still know absolutely nothing. As they should be.
Watch the ABC 20/20 special, "Heather Melton is still haunted by questions.."


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You said it was relevant to the victims that we haven't heard who identified the body. Is that in this video?

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Actually to put it in context what I said was I would say it is relevant in a case of this magnitude especially to the victims. They have no information 27 days later and are upset about it. IMO having any information, even a positive ID would be comforting to the victims. Since they know little else.

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