Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

[q64ceo]

I would like to say that if you see any problems wrong with my speculation, SPEAK UP!

You won't discourage me at all, nor will I consider it a personal attack.

I want this solved, and NOW.

 

[CarlK90245]

The only thing that I see is that Cali is very light complexioned. Looking at Elsie's cousin Carlotta Sanchez, and other members of the Quinault Reservation, they appear to be very dark-complexioned and have a very traditional Native American appearance.

 

[q64ceo]

The only thing that I see is that Cali is very light complexioned. Looking at Elsie's cousin Carlotta Sanchez, and other members of the Quinault Reservation, they appear to be very dark-complexioned and have a very traditional Native American appearance.

Her father is white.

 

[q64ceo]

Her father is white.

Since I cannot edit this post, I think that I will quote this post and announce that I take back this statement. When I said this last night I was terribly tired.

The train of my thought was this at the time: The family name "Luscier" does not look like a native american family name. Yes, Native Americans do take European names. But when that happens, if they decide to change the spelling of the name, they make it more Anglicized. The name seems to be a variant of the French surname Lussier. It is close enough that they might actually sound the same.

And this actually makes a bit of sense.

There are very few people who use the Luscier name. There are so few of them that you can put the name into Facebook and be done looking through everyone in less than 5 minutes.

And yes. I have a citation. http://books.google.com/books?id=dd...1&cd=2#v=onepage&q=Luscier ~genealogy&f=false

 

[Wanting2Help]

I have just received this in my e-mail.




The message was sent with the name redacted. Because of that, I cannot say a private thanks back. I would like to thank you for your suggestion.

I would have never even considered something like that on my own.

edit: link in email was left out of my post but was in the original E-Mail. Here is the link http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFind...=&LastName=luscier&Race=U&Sex=U&Age=&x=73&y=1

Is there a pic of the brother? Does he look like the guy from the dinner? He may not identify her if he's the one who killed her. If it was a random stranger why would "he" empty her pockets (leaving jewelry on her), and take her id? Don't they usually do that so they are harder to link to the perp?

 

[q64ceo]

Is there a pic of the brother? Does he look like the guy from the dinner? He may not identify her if he's the one who killed her. If it was a random stranger why would "he" empty her pockets (leaving jewelry on her), and take her id? Don't they usually do that so they are harder to link to the perp?

That may be possible to get a photo. He is in Federal prison.

I don't think he was anywhere near New York when JD died. He probably may not know what happened to her. Heard she ran away and nothing else afterwards.

EDIT: Might not be necessary. I have a phone number that possibly could be the father. I will call when PST (his time zone) is 7AM

Edit 2: On second thought, I don't think that its best to do that yet. I will let the cops take care of that. This is because since I think extended members of his family did this, I may start something that I might not be able control. I ask that any communication with the family be left to the police. For all we know we could start a family feud, violence is possible, and I don't want to have that on my conscience.

 

[q64ceo]

I also thought about how she ran away.

She might not have needed good contact with the people on the east coast. She had extended family in WA. Maybe someone saw her plight and took care of all of that for her.

I do not know.

Just more speculation on my part.

Edit: should probably mention this. I got off the phone with the detective. From my conversation I noticed that NamUS has some information hidden. Since NamUS has hidden it, there must be a reason. Because of that, I won't reveal it. I have sent this thread via email to the detective and asked him to join us. If he wants to release it that is his decision.

Edit 2: Saw this earlier but forgot to post it. This may be her father. Age is right for someone who had children in the 60s, and he uses SR in his name. Still no picture http://www.redding.com/news/2009/may/22/after-five-years-big-league-dreams-showing-some/

Edit 3: I doubt this will have any impact on the case, but the minute details could combined give a better picture. Son Alexander signed a Power of Attorney to his father http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/riimspublic/Asp/ORPublicDocDetail.asp?DocID=2004-0028158

Edit 4: http://howmanyofme.com/search/

There are fewer than 116 people in the U.S. with the last name Luscier.
The estimate for this name is not absolute. There may be fewer people with this name, or none at all. Click here for more details.

This stat was tabulated by the Census results


Also, I am sorry that I am leaving notes all over the place. WS won't let you edit posts after a certain time. I wish I could have one thread I could always update, but I dunno if that will happen

 

[CarlK90245]

The train of my thought was this at the time: The family name "Luscier" does not look like a native american family name. Yes, Native Americans do take European names. But when that happens, if they decide to change the spelling of the name, they make it more Anglicized. The name seems to be a variant of the French surname Lussier. It is close enough that they might actually sound the same.

And this actually makes a bit of sense.

The name of the tribe (Quinault) is also french.

 

[q64ceo]

The name of the tribe (Quinault) is also french.

That is interesting.

Also, as I said earlier in a thread I can no longer edit, FL, WA, MA, and NY were the place where the family was clustered. I have found it again. Here is a map of where the family is in the US. This is not more accurate than the census, but it is complied by the phone companies

http://names.whitepages.com/last/luscier

Edit: http://www.azcorrections.gov/Inmate...R&FNMI=A&SearchType=Search&ReportLength=TOP_5

Ethnic Origin: NATIVE INDIAN

That hurts a little bit. But we still don't know about the mothers side. I haven't even found a name for her. There is still that ability that her mother was white.

I also thank you, CarlK90245, because of your post I went back and rechecked. Because of that we now know his origin.

 

[q64ceo]

That is interesting.

Also, as I said earlier in a thread I can no longer edit, FL, WA, MA, and NY were the place where the family was clustered. I have found it again. Here is a map of where the family is in the US. This is not more accurate than the census, but it is complied by the phone companies

http://names.whitepages.com/last/luscier

Edit: http://www.azcorrections.gov/Inmate...R&FNMI=A&SearchType=Search&ReportLength=TOP_5

Ethnic Origin: NATIVE INDIAN

That hurts a little bit. But we still don't know about the mothers side. I haven't even found a name for her. There is still that ability that her mother was white.

I also thank you, CarlK90245, because of your post I went back and rechecked. Because of that we now know his origin.

Possible son found on Facebook. He is white and has blue eyes. Background searches indicate that like Alexander Jr, he has been in and out of being arrested and jailed. Since there is a rule against posting personal information, I cannot post his name. However, I will send him a PM on Facebook and ask him a few questions.

Edit: IGNORE. Partial false alarm. He has at least one more son, just not on Facebook. The names of the two people were so close and I didn't notice that I was incorrect until after I posted. But his other son does have a lot of arrests on him. Trying to find more info.

Edit 2: been searching SSDI and other databases to find potential persons of interest. No one with that last name has been charged with any sex crimes. One in FL was charged with negligent Vehicular manslaughter (too young to have committed any crimes in '79). It is frustrating at the lack of digitized court opinions. Something like finding one of their family members with domestic violence in the 70s would go along way.

 

[chaddylex]

I looked on the Federal Bureau of Prisons website and found that Elsie's brother is to be released from jail on 4/17/12 http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&FirstName=Alexander&Middle=&LastName=Luscier&Race=U&Sex=U&Age=&x=78&y=14

 

[CarlK90245]

I got ahold of the secretary at Pacific Beach Elementary school, and she said that she would do some research to find out if she can find some old class photos from that far back. She says that Pacific Beach Elementary was the closest school to Tahola at that time.

I just spoke with the secretary again. She looked through all of the class photos from the 1970's and couldn't find anyone with the name Luscier (Elsie or otherwise).

ETA: I left a message with the administration office of the Quinault Indian Nation to see if they possibly have a photo somewhere of her.

 

[Angie4b1g]

If they were in foster care (did I read that?), there's no telling where they attended school.

 

[q64ceo]

If they were in foster care (did I read that?), there's no telling where they attended school.

I wish there were more information.

But, if that were the case, I can speculate that she may have been taken care of by her aunt and convinced her cousin to run away with her.

Its possible. We just don't know. When I speak next with the detective working the case I will bring up such scenario and ask if he can get court documents that may show why she ran away. I am unsure if he will because he is in New York and WA might not want to share that info unless they have someone actively working the WA angle, too. He has not told me if WA are working on it.

 

[q64ceo]

I just spoke with the secretary again. She looked through all of the class photos from the 1970's and couldn't find anyone with the name Luscier (Elsie or otherwise).

ETA: I left a message with the administration office of the Quinault Indian Nation to see if they possibly have a photo somewhere of her.

What if they never went to school?

We know that the children were neglected.

I am feeling uneasy about this.

Damn I wish we had more digital cases to help.

 

[q64ceo]

Potential person of interest

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Edward_Luscier_1760152/

First off, once a woman beater always a woman beater.
He was old enough to commit the crime.

The only problem is that he lives in Florida. I do not know where he lived in '79. From looking at the SSDI, I can tell that many who were born in FL ended up in NY where they died, and vice versa.

 

[q64ceo]

I received email correspondence from UNT advising that they did make a manuel comparison of our Jane Doe with Elsie and they are not a match. I just wanted to follow up to advise you. We do appreciate what you folks do!

That really sucks

 

[iconoclast]

Bumping for Cali.

Someone knows who you are, sweetie, but time is running out. Whatever you did in life, you did not deserve the end that you had.

If by some strange chance you read this...come forward.

 

[Janet]

I was just looking at Nancy Lynn Jason and comparing her to Jane Doe's actual photos and I see similarities. It even looks like she has the same small scar in her eyebrow. I also think the nose is the same. Although the height is off. Anybody else agree with me?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13877/1

http://www.co.livingston.state.ny.us/Sheriff/cr138159.htm

 

[CarlK90245]

I was just looking at Nancy Lynn Jason and comparing her to Jane Doe's actual photos and I see similarities. It even looks like she has the same small scar in her eyebrow. I also think the nose is the same. Although the height is off. Anybody else agree with me?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13877/1

http://www.co.livingston.state.ny.us/Sheriff/cr138159.htm

I do see some similarities. But I see differences, as well. Cali's nose turns up a little more and is shaped slightly different around the nostrils. She also has drooped earlobes. From what little you can see, it appears that Nancy has connected earlobes.

And their overall look is quite different, IMO.