NY - Captured, escaped convicted killers, David Sweat & Richard Matt, Dannemora #9

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Honor block inmates, with the exception of Matt and Sweat, were already pissed off before the escape, hence the fighting in the yard a week before. Cuomo and Annucci denied a lock down and a prison wide frisk. JMO, of course.

^^RBBM

The Honor Block inmates had it made>haven't read anything in MSM that Honor Block inmates were already angry. Also, were Blood gang members and Muslim gang members in the Honor Block, too? Haven't read or heard that either:

<snip>

More than five sources with knowledge of the events at the prison confirmed there was a fight or a "melee" in one of the yards on May 31st. The melee involved 30-40 inmates.

The sources say the fight in a prison yard &#8212; which only lasted around 30 seconds &#8212; was "gang related" and began as a scuffle between two members of a Bloods gang and a member of a "Muslim gang." There were only minor injuries.

There were no weapons found at the scene.
Multiple sources say there was a partial search of the facility following the fight, but not a full prison "lock down."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ne...down-search-prison-denied-week-escape-n376696


Another excuse for the way CCF was being run from the inside imo
 
Should Joyce be charged with attempted murder? my opinion is HELL YA!

There was no attempted murder. At best, I think she could be charged with conspiracy to commit murder. But it would be Sweat's word against hers, so I doubt the DA will go there with no other proof. JMO
 
Yeah, Cuomo and Annucci would like the general public to believe they put these 'changes' in place lol. Truth is, and not just in Clinton, these 'changes' were always in place, until the past few years when Cuomo ordered cut backs due to budget.

In fact, a week before this escape, there were 50+ inmates fighting in the yard, Cuomo denied request for lock down and prison wide frisk. BTW, he also stopped cat-walk duty years ago.


I cannot imagine why he would deny the request for lock down and/or prison-wide frisk or why they would even have to ask him. Must have been related to an expense request, as in: "can we have some money to spend on ....."
But who in their right mind would say no to such a request?
 
Maybe solicitation, but that would be difficult to prove. JMO

It's interesting that when Wylie revealed the murder plan at a presser over two weeks ago, he referred to it as a "murder-for-hire" plot. That suggests to me that he knew she solicited and/or conspired with them to kill her husband. Now Sweat has corroborated that statement, but it seems like Wylie isn't going to pursue it.
 
Honor block inmates, with the exception of Matt and Sweat, were already pissed off before the escape, hence the fighting in the yard a week before. Cuomo and Annucci denied a lock down and a prison wide frisk. JMO, of course.

Does anyone know the statistics
of how many men are in this prison? and how many women are in this prison?
and exactly how many men/women were on the honor block?
 
Sooo if he was laying down behind a tree, maybe he wasn't even alive at the time, since he didn't respond to their orders. Hmmm...Hmm...

The autopsy would have revealed that the gunshot wounds were postmortem.

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If Tillie really believed that they had some interest in killing Lyle, even though SHE skiddaddled to the hospital for protection, why would she have let poor old Lyle go home to be murdered ? If they were really going to do it, it was for Tillie. Deal cancelled when she didn't scoop them up. JMO
 
CNN finally just fessed up that Matt was lying down. JMO
 
Looks like Sweat told investigators where all their pit stops were? Or maybe these locations were noted on a map he and/or Matt had on them.


New York State Police continue to investigate Matt and Sweat's escape

PRESS RELEASE

The New York State Police continue to follow up on the investigation regarding Richard Matt and David Sweat, including areas they are believed to have traveled between June 6, 2015, and June 28, 2015. The State Police request anyone who owns seasonal homes, camps, or vacant structures in the following areas check their properties and contact the State Police if they discover items on their property that may have been left and/or discover their items are missing:

&#8226; Hugh Heron Road and Clark Hill Road in the town of Saranac

&#8226; Standish Road between Piney Ridge Road and the hamlet of Standish

&#8226; Wolf Pond Road in the town of Bellmont

&#8226; County Route 41 in the town of Malone

&#8226; Webster Road in the town of Malone

&#8226; State Route 30 in the town of Malone in the area of County Route 41 and Lake Titus

&#8226; East of County Route 25, from the hamlet of Chasm Falls north to the area of Badore Road in the town of Malone

&#8226; Perham, Pikeville, Vincent, Finney, Fleury, Spencer and Coveytown Roads in the town of Burke

Anyone who finds items left at their property or discovers items that are missing is asked to call the New York State Police Bureau of Criminal Investigations at (518) 897-2000.

https://www.nyspnews.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=46457
 
Wonder if he told them where Matt got the firearm. JMO
 
^^RBBM

The Honor Block inmates had it made>haven't read anything in MSM that Honor Block inmates were already angry. Also, were Blood gang members and Muslim gang members in the Honor Block, too? Haven't read or heard that either:

<snip>

More than five sources with knowledge of the events at the prison confirmed there was a fight or a "melee" in one of the yards on May 31st. The melee involved 30-40 inmates.

The sources say the fight in a prison yard &#8212; which only lasted around 30 seconds &#8212; was "gang related" and began as a scuffle between two members of a Bloods gang and a member of a "Muslim gang." There were only minor injuries.

There were no weapons found at the scene.
Multiple sources say there was a partial search of the facility following the fight, but not a full prison "lock down."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ne...down-search-prison-denied-week-escape-n376696


Another excuse for the way CCF was being run from the inside imo

I so agree about the excuses and "spin". Downplaying like a "scuffle" which only lasted 30 seconds and began with 2 inmates and then the other part talks about 30 or more inmates being involved.

This was probably much more serious than we are led to believe.

IMO, there is no such thing as a minor "scuffle" in prison.
 
If Tillie really believed that they had some interest in killing Lyle, even though SHE skiddaddled to the hospital for protection, why would she have let poor old Lyle go home to be murdered ? If they were really going to do it, it was for Tillie. Deal cancelled when she didn't scoop them up. JMO

IMO
That was probably the deal she made. This is why it was called murder-for-hire plot. She probably asked Matt...

"Hey, If I give you a ride will you kill Lyle for me?"

Then she panicked when things became real. And she didnt tell anybody about anything. She just freaked and went to hospital. If he ends up dead, so be it. She didnt care about anyone but herself.

And she sure didnt tell anyone anything till LE started asking her questions. Then after that first meeting with LE she kept coming back in voluntarily each day to talk with them more and more. The whole time she was thinking she wasnt going to be charged because in her mind she was helping LE and she only did minor things wrong. She thought they would just tell her not to ever do that again. LOL
 
David Sweat spent hours cutting 16-inch escape pipe by hand, source says

"A source close to the prisoner escape investigation says convicted murderer David Sweat cut the pipe he and Richard Matt used to escape by hand.

[...]

The source said investigators asked him questions about how Sweat made the cuts in the prison pipe. He said the cuts were made by hand and he used hacksaw blades.

The source said Sweat did not use a jigsaw, torch, drill or sawzall to cut through the pipe. He believes Sweat could have worked between 16 and 18 hours a day for four weeks to make the cuts needed to escape.

[...]


The pipe was 16 inches wide, 14 feet long and three-eighths of an inch thick.

After crawling through the pipe, investigators said Sweat and Matt reached a 6-by-7-foot tunnel where they could stand and walk to a manhole."

http://m.wptz.com/news/david-sweat-...gn=wptz&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it


He was unaccounted for for 16-18 hours a day??!!! For four weeks?!!!
 
David Sweat spent hours cutting 16-inch escape pipe by hand, source says

"A source close to the prisoner escape investigation says convicted murderer David Sweat cut the pipe he and Richard Matt used to escape by hand.

[...]

The source said investigators asked him questions about how Sweat made the cuts in the prison pipe. He said the cuts were made by hand and he used hacksaw blades.

The source said Sweat did not use a jigsaw, torch, drill or sawzall to cut through the pipe. He believes Sweat could have worked between 16 and 18 hours a day for four weeks to make the cuts needed to escape.

[...]


The pipe was 16 inches wide, 14 feet long and three-eighths of an inch thick.

After crawling through the pipe, investigators said Sweat and Matt reached a 6-by-7-foot tunnel where they could stand and walk to a manhole."

http://m.wptz.com/news/david-sweat-...gn=wptz&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it


He was unaccounted for for 16-18 hours a day??!!! For four weeks?!!!


This is where I start to not believe him.

Here is why this is not true.

If you are making an escape hole out of that pipe, you are not going to make a perfect LARGE rectantle which is way bigger than you need to crawl through.

In fact you would most likely make a round hole just big enough to squeeze through. Because you dont want to be cutting anymore than you have to.

I dont buy it. I think someone cut that pipe from the outside.

He is covering for someone that helped him IMO
 
Yes, Matt was sentenced 25 to life. But given the haniousness of his crime, it's probably safe to assume he would have never been paroled. He was a lifer IMO.

At the time Sweat murdered the cop, NYS did indeed have the death penalty.
Because he did not want to risk a trial with the possibility of being sentenced to death, he agreed to plead guilty in order to receive a life sentence.

BBM

A history of capital punishment in NYS:


http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/new-york-1

"The death penalty has been abolished and reinstated several times in New York. New York's death penalty was accidentally abolished in 1860, when the legislature passed measures that repealed hanging as a method of execution but provided no other means of carrying out a death sentence. The mistake was corrected a year later in 1861.

Lewis E. Lawes, the warden of Sing Sing Prison from 1920-1941, advocated for the abolition of capital punishment. Although he supervised 303 executions, Lawes believed that capital punishment was inequitable and not a deterrent. He noted that barely 1 in 80 killers was executed, and said "Did you ever see a rich man go the whole route through to the Death House? I don&#8217;t know of any.&#8221;

In 1967, a compromise law was passed allowing for a very limited death penalty. In 1972, the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated all death penalty statutes in the country in Furman v. Georgia. The New York legislature rewrote the state's statute in 1973, providing for a mandatory death sentence for murdering a police officer, a correctional officer, or a murder in prison by an inmate serving a life sentence. In 1977, New York's high court effectively struck down the death penalty for the murder of a police officer or a correctional officer, and a 1984 ruling struck down capital punishment for murders committed by inmates serving life sentences, effectively abolishing New York's death penalty. From 1978 until 1994, measures repeatedly passed both houses of New York's state legislature that would have expanded or reinstated the death penalty, only to be vetoed by governors Hugh Carey and Mario Cuomo.

In 1995 newly-elected Governor George Pataki fulfilled a campaign promise and signed legislation reinstating the death penalty in New York, designating lethal injection as the new method of execution. In 2004, that statute was declared unconstitutional by the New York Court of Appeals, and in 2007 the last remaining death sentence was reduced to life, leaving New York with a vacant death row and no viable death penalty laws. In 2008 Governor David Paterson issued an executive order requiring the removal of all execution equipment from state facilities."


Pataki won the election based on his promise to reinstate the death penalty. Soon after Pataki signed the legislation in '95, appeals were begun. The mandate was put on hold. Sweat murdered Broome County Sheriff's Deputy Kevin J. Tarsia on July 4, 2002. Seven years into the appeals process. In reality, the death penalty was not in effect at the time of his pleading.
 
We need a good daily mail story, They will get to the bottom of all of,this
 
This is where I start to not believe him.

Here is why this is not true.

If you are making an escape hole out of that pipe, you are not going to make a perfect LARGE rectantle which is way bigger than you need to crawl through.

In fact you would most likely make a round hole just big enough to squeeze through. Because you dont want to be cutting anymore than you have to.

I dont buy it. I think someone cut that pipe from the outside.

He is covering for someone that helped him IMO

I agree.

First of all, certified engineers said early on the cuts look professional. I'd like to see investigators bring in a steel pipe and hacksaw blade and ask him to duplicate his "work." lol

Second, what were the drill bits for? Tillie admitted to giving those to them.

And finally, even with as lax as we've heard Clinton was, how could he possibly disappear for all but six hours a day for four weeks straight? He had to sleep at some point. So that means he wasn't working in Tillie's tailor shop for four weeks? He wasn't visibly seen during daylight hours by any CO or inmate for four weeks? Please.
 
^^RBBM

The Honor Block inmates had it made>haven't read anything in MSM that Honor Block inmates were already angry. Also, were Blood gang members and Muslim gang members in the Honor Block, too? Haven't read or heard that either:

<snip>

More than five sources with knowledge of the events at the prison confirmed there was a fight or a "melee" in one of the yards on May 31st. The melee involved 30-40 inmates.

The sources say the fight in a prison yard &#8212; which only lasted around 30 seconds &#8212; was "gang related" and began as a scuffle between two members of a Bloods gang and a member of a "Muslim gang." There were only minor injuries.

There were no weapons found at the scene.
Multiple sources say there was a partial search of the facility following the fight, but not a full prison "lock down."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ne...down-search-prison-denied-week-escape-n376696


Another excuse for the way CCF was being run from the inside imo

http://www.pressrepublican.com/news...cle_2d77d6dc-0fa2-11e5-852d-4b0f1ef044c3.html

"INMATE FIGHT

Sources told the Press-Republican that a major fight involving at least 40 inmates occurred in the recreational yard a week or so ago.

Numerous canisters of teargas had to be fired into the yard to quell the fracas, they said."


This 'fight' had nothing to do with the different gang members. And there is one yard. Many 'courts', but only one yard.
 
http://www.pressrepublican.com/news...cle_2d77d6dc-0fa2-11e5-852d-4b0f1ef044c3.html

"INMATE FIGHT

Sources told the Press-Republican that a major fight involving at least 40 inmates occurred in the recreational yard a week or so ago.

Numerous canisters of teargas had to be fired into the yard to quell the fracas, they said."


This 'fight' had nothing to do with the different gang members. And there is one yard. Many 'courts', but only one yard.


Sources for that article by Press-Republican are COs:

Interviews with active and retired correction officers, who spoke on condition of anonymity, show that events at the maximum-security prison leading up to the escape may have played a significant role.

<snip>

Officers say the measure would have surely turned up evidence that an escape attempt was in the works.

http://www.pressrepublican.com/news...cle_2d77d6dc-0fa2-11e5-852d-4b0f1ef044c3.html
 
BBM

Pataki won the election based on his promise to reinstate the death penalty. Soon after Pataki signed the legislation in '95, appeals were begun. The mandate was put on hold. Sweat murdered Broome County Sheriff's Deputy Kevin J. Tarsia on July 4, 2002. Seven years into the appeals process. In reality, the death penalty was not in effect at the time of his pleading.

SBM

"Talk of a plea

Nabinger and Sweat were indicted in August 2002 on the murder and other felony charges. On Dec. 13, Mollen filed notices indicating that he planned to proceed with a death-penalty case against them.

On Dec. 18, in a conference between prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge &#8212; though off-limits to the press and public &#8212; the issue of guilty pleas was raised. Mollen said neither he nor the Tarsia family were ready to accept guilty pleas. The brutality of the crime, and the loss of Tarsia to his family, had left raw wounds.

The family wanted Sweat and Nabinger to die.

Meanwhile, work on the case plowed on.

Mollen conceded in writing that Sweat's second statement and his July 5 statements to police &#8212; when he was questioned after stumbling into a group of police who were investigating the murder &#8212; would be inadmissible. Sweat, defense attorneys learned, had not been read his Miranda rights July 5. Defense attorneys also took issue with the search warrants issued in the case.

But on July 21, Sweat pleaded guilty to one count of first-degree murder. The next day, Nabinger did the same.

Both would serve life sentences in state prison with no hope of release. They would not appeal. If anything happened to change the status of the pleas, federal prosecutors would step in and the two would face death-penalty trials in federal court.

It was Mollen's call to accept the guilty pleas.

But even if the case went to trial, there was no guarantee that a jury would sentence them to death. The only other option from a jury trial would be the same penalty Sweat and Nabinger ultimately accepted: life without parole."

http://www.pressconnects.com/story/.../10/david-sweats-brutal-path-prison/71017500/
 

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