GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #1

[PoirotryInMotion]

I am so glad they were found safe!I'd like add though that whoever did that composite of the little girl should be fired.They made her look like a little old toothless woman.:gaah:

Aw, I thought she looked cute!

 

[Abigail]

Maybe he's Mennonite. I know they drive, but it stills seems odd that someone would drive them home instead of calling 911.

I'm guessing maybe he knew the family? And knew that's where the girls needed to be and that someone would have to drive over there anyway to give the parents the news. If he'd called 911, his yard would have filled up with multiple police cars, and the girls would have been hauled down to headquarters to answer a lot of questions, which would have been traumatizing. They were cold and wet, they needed dry clothes, their own clothes, and they needed to be in their Mama's arms as soon as possible.

 

[Abigail]

Just wanted to pop in and add a YAY!! on the girls being home!!

As for toque.....I always think of KOOK...to rhyme....& out west here on the prairie....you can't have just one....toque that is*L* brrrr...-50s sometimes...

Anyways so glad they are back home ....hope they catch these guys asap....

OK, so I looked it up in the Urban Dictionary, and I think we'll have to let the Canadians have the final say on the proper pronunciation of "toque" -- UD describes a "toque" as "the ultimate in high Canadian fashion. worn year round whether it's cold or warm outside"

 

[Abigail]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/kidnapped-...refoot-cold-hungry-doorstep/story?id=24994668
The girls were barefoot, cold and hungry. The Stinsons recognized the girls -- they had bought produce from them -- they knew exactly where they lived. They fed the girls watermelon and grape juice -- -the girls were so hungry they couldn't stop eating the watermelon.
"At one point on the return home, the girls ducked in the back seat because they saw the kidnapper's red car pulled over by the side of the road"

 

[dotr]

OK, so I looked it up in the Urban Dictionary, and I think we'll have to let the Canadians have the final say on the proper pronunciation of "toque" -- UD describes a "toque" as "the ultimate in high Canadian fashion. worn year round whether it's cold or warm outside"

Bob and Doug.. " Beauty toque, eh "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bougw9J7Wmg

 

[sophiebelle]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/kidnapped-...refoot-cold-hungry-doorstep/story?id=24994668
The girls were barefoot, cold and hungry. The Stinsons recognized the girls -- they had bought produce from them -- they knew exactly where they lived. They fed the girls watermelon and grape juice -- -the girls were so hungry they couldn't stop eating the watermelon.
"At one point on the return home, the girls ducked in the back seat because they saw the kidnapper's red car pulled over by the side of the road"

What about the white car? I hope these folks are located before they try this again. Driving around stalking and kidnapping is just sick, and maybe it's not the first time.

 

[Miss_Diana]

I'm really surprised they took the time to feed them, and drive them home, without ever calling 911.

I'm not saying that what they did was not good, it was, the girls were hungry ... but just strange that they knew they were missing, and yet fed them and took the time to drive them home, without ever calling LE.

I wonder if they dropped them off, then drove back home, or stayed at the girl's house and called 911 there?

MOO

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I'm operating on the hunch that perhaps this abduction was by someone the girls know, simply because:

1) there were no screams or struggles witnessed with them getting into the car

2) they were unharmed

3) they were dropped off at a house and told to 'stay there' (with the seeming expectation that they wouldn't run); someone also may have been at the house whom they knew, who may have been expected to keep an eye on them, but not restrain them, necessarily

4) there are several people in Richville who share the same surname as this family; one is about a mile and a half from CR20 where the girls knocked on JS's door.

And this is just a wilder brainstorm, but I'm also wondering if the eye condition of the elder child had anything to do with this abduction, as well. Wondering (if it were remotely family-related, perhaps by a distant and non-Amish relative) if someone wanted medical help for the elder daughter and decided to take matters into their own hands? and took the little one as well, so she couldn't report back to the barn as to who took her older sister?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

The girls may have been barefoot as it may be Amish tradition to take off their shoes when coming into a home (and maybe that was done when they were dropped off at the house in Bigelow--or maybe the person at the house had them take off their shoes for whatever other reason). Maybe the girls left their shoes by the front door, but didn't escape via the front door, but a back door, so couldn't put their shoes back on.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Also think it's interesting that no media have interviewed the Stinsons at length about this (I've only seen their names in one report); could be they are reticent and have turned down media requests. But could be that they know the kidnappers as well (if they live in Bigelow/Richville), and have been instructed not to talk to media (and/or media have been instructed not to interview them or press them for details--eg. about seeing the red car enroute home, etc.).

 

[loveisthemovement]

Withholding the suspects descriptions and vehicle description? What? Why? Odd. MOO.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I'm really surprised they took the time to feed them, and drive them home, without ever calling 911.

I'm not saying that what they did was not good, it was, the girls were hungry ... but just strange that they knew they were missing, and yet fed them and took the time to drive them home, without ever calling LE.

I wonder if they dropped them off, then drove back home, or stayed at the girl's house and called 911 there?

MOO

BBM

It was my understanding LE were already at the girls' home when they arrived there with the girls. They wouldn't have been able to call LE from the girls' home in any case, as the family had no phone. (Parents called 911 at the house across the street to report the kidnapping.)

 

[sophiebelle]

I'm guessing maybe he knew the family? And knew that's where the girls needed to be and that someone would have to drive over there anyway to give the parents the news. If he'd called 911, his yard would have filled up with multiple police cars, and the girls would have been hauled down to headquarters to answer a lot of questions, which would have been traumatizing. They were cold and wet, they needed dry clothes, their own clothes, and they needed to be in their Mama's arms as soon as possible.

I wonder if LE had an officer still there. I would have been very nervous to come driving up with two missing children. If no officers were there, who would have called LE? Did the man go back home to do that? Cell? Maybe he was so happy to have them, that he wanted to hand deliver them.

 

[MommyStephV]

I just read "Plain Truth" by Jodi Picoult on my Nook. While it is fiction, it opened my eyes to the life and beliefs of the Plain Amish. (It was a good read too, and I recommend it!) :happydance:

I usually read historical novels but was broke and it was only $1.99, LOL.

I finished this book and it was the first thing I thought of when I saw this thread. I'm not sure how close it follows the reality of the Amish lifestyle, but felt like I had maybe a little more insight! It was a great, cheap, book!

So glad these girls were returned!

 

[Abigail]

The girls may have been barefoot as it may be Amish tradition to take off their shoes when coming into a home (and maybe that was done when they were dropped off at the house in Bigelow). Maybe the girls left their shoes by the front door, but didn't escape via the front door, but a back door, so couldn't put their shoes back on.

It's not unusual for Amish kids to run around barefoot in the summer. They might have been barefoot when they were taken.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Updated: Aug 15, 2014 5:16 PM CDT
By WCAX News - bio | email

Courtesy: WWNY-TV Courtesy: WWNY-TV
HERMON, N.Y. - Investigators are searching for evidence at a home in the town of Hermon in Northern New York in connection with the abduction of two Amish girls. The sisters were later found safe.

WWNY-TV reports police have focused on a particular house on County Route 21 and have set up a roadblock nearby. There is police tape around the house and a small, white car in the driveway. And a neighbor said a red car was escorted from the home by sheriff's deputies. The cars match the description of two vehicles connected to the kidnapping.

The home is about 15 minutes from where the sisters vanished Wednesday evening after a car pulled up to their family's farm stand in Oswegatchie.
http://www.wcax.com/story/26293377/...h-girls?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

*Relatives of the Richville Millers live in Hermon as well. Might just be coincidence...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Yeah, but considering how eastern Canadians pronounce "house" -- I'm thinking toque could have different pronunciation depending on which side of the border one is on. And btw, it's been cool the past 2 days here in upstate NY (and probably even cooler up there where the abduction happened), so a toque would be comfortable -- my son just went out in his hoodie.

How does one pronounce "hoodie"?

Hooooooooo-dee or hoo (as in "book") - dee?

J/K.... :giggle:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

This case gave me a pretty weird feeling because the night before I opened the thread, I had watched the movie "The Shunning":

http://hallmarkchannel.com/theshunning/about

(okay I know .. it was a Hallmark movie )

OT but still on the toque/tuque issue. So, if toque rhymes with KOOK, how come not with BOOK or TOOK? If "BLOKE" I'm going to ask Justin Trudeau how he pronounces it .. he and Olympian Ross Reblagiati, Marc Emery .. Canadian dudes famous for smokin' their toques.

Actually in Canada, we just make stuff up as we go along. It keeps us interesting and makes people question our sanity :floorlaugh:

BBM...

I KNEW I loved Canadians for some reason!

Now I know WHY!

:sunshine: :canada:

 

[Forensic fan]

(duh, sometimes I am soooo stupid----earlier I said maybe a neighbor or witness described the red car---well duh, maybe the girls gave them a description too :blushing

Well, the victims are hardly ever alive to give a description, no wonder you didn't think of that!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

HEUVELTON — The search for the kidnappers of two Heuvelton girls is now focused solely in St. Lawrence County, Sheriff Kevin M. Wells said Friday afternoon, a day after two Amish sisters managed to get home safely with a stranger’s help following a 24-hour ordeal that shook the county.

“That’s the direction that this has taken, because police investigation hasn’t developed any leads outside” the county, Mr. Wells said. “It’s an active investigation and I think we’ve made progress. But we’re staying within the county at this point.”

More than one perpetrator is thought to have been involved, and they are believed to be local, Mr. Wells said. All registered sexual offenders in the county were accounted for and ruled out as suspects, the sheriff said. Other than that, he declined to elaborate on the investigation.

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140815/NEWS05/140819164