NY NY - Ellery, Rte 17, WhtFem 30-37, UP15489 193UFNY, GSW, poss from Canada or Europe, note, clothes, Dec'83

[Bit of hope]

Repost, rbbm.
Wondering about the inmate who claimed to be the killer and if he has since been questioned again.
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...tationary-thats-mystified-police-for-33-years

Interesting notation about the (an) inmate.....in Oklahoma prison...

 

[Bit of hope]

It just doesn't make sense....1948. Telephone number HArrison 7-8723 (427-8723)
http://www.artlebedev.com/mandership/91/

Could it be an inmate number...just loosing it

 

[Bit of hope]

Native American, I don't know how.


Canadian language are only English and French.
So, can it be French ? Why not, but it's a long shot.

There were a lot of different native languages in Canada and USA, lots of tribes ...most of them died "out" over time and a long time ago....

 

[dotr]

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/as-sa/98-314-x/98-314-x2011003_3-eng.cfm

Aboriginal languages in Canada

PDF version
Over 60 Aboriginal languages reported in 2011

The 2011 Census of Population recorded over 60 Aboriginal languages grouped into 12 distinct language families – an indication of the diversity of Aboriginal languages in Canada.[SUP]Footnote 1[/SUP]

According to the 2011 Census, almost 213,500 people reported an Aboriginal mother tongue and nearly 213,400 people reported speaking an Aboriginal language most often or regularly at home

Cree languages, Inuktitut and Ojibway are the most frequently reported Aboriginal languages

Despite the diversity of Aboriginal languages in Canada, three of them (the Cree languages, Inuktitut and Ojibway) accounted for almost two-thirds of the population having an Aboriginal language as mother tongue. The ten most often reported Aboriginal languages accounted for almost 90% of the population having an Aboriginal mother tongue.

In 2011, of all people reporting an Aboriginal mother tongue in Canada, the highest proportions lived in Quebec (20.9%), Manitoba (17.7%) and Saskatchewan (16.0%) (Figure 1).

In Quebec, the Aboriginal languages most frequently reported as mother tongues were the Cree languages, Inuktitut, Innu/Montagnais and Atikamekw. The main Aboriginal mother tongues reported in Manitoba were the Cree languages, Ojibway and Oji-Cree. In Saskatchewan, the Cree languages and Dene were the most often reported languages.

2017
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/08/most-common-languages-spoken-canada_a_23070312/

Here's the breakdown of the next eight most common "immigrant" languages in the country, by percentage of the population:

These languages make some sense when you look at the ethnic makeup of the population, which in 2006 saw more than three million Canadians identifying as at least partially German, 2.2 million Canadians in the East and Southeast Asia category, and 1.35 million people with a Chinese background.

That said, there were plenty of people who reported more than one language as their mother tongue. It seems the languages spoken by Canadians not only reveal countries of origin, but also the cultures that have been kept alive and well through generations.

In total, 196 specific languages were reported as being spoken in Canada.
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In total, 196 specific languages were reported as being spoken in Canada — 66 Aboriginal and 128 "immigrant" ones.

 

[Giucy]

It just doesn't make sense....1948. Telephone number HArrison 7-8723 (427-8723)
http://www.artlebedev.com/mandership/91/

Could it be an inmate number...just loosing it

Except that in 1983, some areas did have this system. Philadelphia, for example.

NANPA replied to me, no clue.
They sent me to AT&T, who has no clue either.

I continue my research

 

[Giucy]

Ok, just talked to my mom.

She told me that when you are on the spot in the US & Canada, you don't write the area code.



So, it actually narrows down to 4 possibilities :
- Philadelphia : the only area with a 2L-5N phone number
- Vancouver, where she was with this paper
- the NY State, where she was killed
- the Saskatchewan, because it corresponds to the first syllables of the first 2 words and the last is probably Calgary (Alberta)

 

[Giucy]

Ok, now, I have time to write all of my search's results. Because it was such a crazy day I didn't have time to write everything.

1) We can 100% exclude that it was not a French number, as such numbering was discontinued in 1963 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_..._national_tout_num.C3.A9rique_.281953-1963.29 (yeah I know, Wikipedia)

2) Waiting for Telecom Italia's reply (the telecom carrier in those days)

3) Bit of Hope, I think that the answer is much simpler than you thought.
Some 2L-5N phone numbers are still in use nowadays, even if it's rare. For example, the Pennsylvania Hotel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Pennsylvania#Pennsylvania_6-5000 So, you are not losing your mind actually
Actually, inmate numbers are 8 digits, so it can't be inmate numbers https://www.bop.gov/inmates/communications.jsp, then "What you'll need"

Account Number: Inmate's eight-digit register number with no spaces or dashes, followed immediately by the inmate's last name (example: 12345678DOE).

The simplest solution is that the word contains the area code. Definitely looks like a North American number

 

[Bit of hope]

I still wondering about the spot she was found....illogical place if she was travelling from West to East. Nobody mentioned a lot of blood...when she was shot at the scene there would be a lot of blood, so IMO she was killed somewhere else...what did this person do to cover up the blood...uncertain conclusion: she was killed in a domestic environment, not in a hotel/motel. There would be lot's amounts of blood....in a vehicle/truck?...not logical..to much blood....think with me...

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Can you decipher the words ? Popping my eyes out with deciphering

Sas. K. R. Dr. 24233

K. R. Br. 68301

OR

K. R. Ba. 68301 (the last digit was originally a 2 which has been overwritten)

C. Aug 74621

OR

S. Aug 74621

In the last item, it looks as though the writer wrote a C but then put a tail on it to make it into an S.

In the first item, I see the last element as possibly being Dr, maybe an abbreviation of Drive in an address or of Doctor.

Also, IF my hypothesis that the handwriting is German or Austrian, could Sas. be an abbreviation of Saskia?

I'm struck by the first two having a shared K. R. element. The chance of two people known to the deceased having the same initials by chance seems unlikely so I suspect they may be something else entirely.

 

[Giucy]

Could K.R being an exchange gimmick ?

 

[Giucy]

A question Bit of hope asked, but since we are hitting dead ends.

Could she had been a military spouse, or serving in military ?
So, she did get an IUD& dental work abroad.

That could be a lead

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Could K.R being an exchange gimmick ?

Sorry, no capisco.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

They need to do an isotope analysis on her teeth and hair. If she is of European origin it should be possible to pin down her place of origin and where she lived fairly closely these days. At least then they'd have an idea where to look.

 

[Giucy]

A way to remember phone numbers easily

 

[Bit of hope]

Also still an open question....what kind of scar she could have had on her troth....(esthetic) operation, domestic attack....health problems....

 

[Giucy]

Ok, with the lead of military (spouse), I had a look at Charley Project.

I found two possibles (most of them went missing in the 90's or 2000', so obvious rule-out)

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/flickinger_nellie.html
However, UID has no skin grafts, while MP had plenty of them by a car accident.
So, rule-out.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/miller_julianne.html
Unlikely by the circumstances.

 

[Giucy]

Also still an open question....what kind of scar she could have had on her troth....(esthetic) operation, domestic attack....health problems....

My best bet is thyroid surgery for hyperthyroidism or parathyroidectomy (removing parathyroid glands). Or tonsilectomy.
But it would had been written in autopsy report because you can find them at an autopsy.

But esthetic surgery seems unlikely because I am not aware of esthetic surgery leaving scars.

Could she had had a tracheotomy ? This one leaves a scar on the throat.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracheotomy

 

[Bit of hope]

MP Cristina Parodi, Missing Since: February 2, 1979, from Pasadena, LA,California (date entered in Namus 06/15/2016)


MP born July 30, 1951 /UID born estimated between 1946 and 1953
MP age when missing 27, would be 31 when UID was found December 1983
MP White, ethnicity Hispanic-Latino / UID White, South European look
MP hair color brown / UID brown
MP eye color brown / UID brown
MP height 5'0" (charley project5’0 – 5’3, CA gov. 5’3) / UID estimated 5'4" (1.58 – 1.60 cm/64inches)
MP weight 120 – 130 lbs / UID 128 lbs
MP large scar on neck from thyroid surgery / UIDT-shaped scar on neck
MP no children mentioned / UID gavebirth to at least one child, 15 yearsprior, or in the 15 years up to her dead.
MP DNA available / UID DNA (per Namus 17-11-2017) Sample available - Not yet submitted


Maybe there is a European/Italian connection and she had an Italian dad/traveledto Italy (her roots) and back to Canada/USA. Cristina is a name often given toItalian girls (also to others of course but Italian in particular) Parodi NameMeaning Italian (mainly central Liguria and Genoa): habitational name fromParodi Ligure in Alessandria region. https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=parodiFrom the name of a village near Genoa.
Distribution name Parodi mainly in Italy and Argentina https://lastnames.myheritage.com/last-name/Parodi
Carpi Italy (where her camisole came from) is not far from Genoa, 2,5 hoursdrive and also Liguria is not very far.

Apart from the stats MP has a noticeable cupid bow like Ellery Doe (IMO) Of course her lips on the post mortem pics are somehow photo shopped but still I see a resemblance.




http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3712dfca.html


https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/34084/1


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/parodi_cristina.html

 

[Giucy]

Good job for the sleuthing

Actually, a T shaped scar on the throat is likely thyroid surgery.

So, my hypothesis of tracheotomy is wrong from scar shape.

Whee did you find about the t shaped scar for our JD ?

 

[Bit of hope]

Ciucy It was on her Facebook site...

https://www.facebook.com/ElleryDoe/