This is all my opinion, and not to be construed as fact.
This is in response to Abigail's post (Thread 10, Page 4, Post #83), in response to questions I posed.
I agree with many of your assessments, Abigail, including the break down of approximate timing when GR had arrived at the YMCA.
So I'll only respond to your response to the first question, and the two options that you posed, and elaborate with some of my conclusions, as supported by the things that have been presented across the many threads devoted to this case.
My initial question:
- When was the van abandoned at Plank Road Manor?
Abigail's response:
Option 1: On December 11, the day Jenn went missing, and the residents just didn't happen to notice it.
Option 2: Sometime after December 11, but where was it before? And, since word was now out of a missing woman, why take the risk of moving it to a rather public location?
My Response:
Option 1: On December 11, the day Jenn went missing, and the residents just didn't happen to notice it.
It is a possibility to consider that the van was there since the 11th.
However, the residents at Plank Road Manor have said that the van was there for no more than one or two days (two days at the maximum). Whether that is one or two days including the day it was found on the 16th, or one or two days prior to when it was discovered on the 16th is a matter up for debate.
Websleuths - Jennifer Ramsaran - amberdawn723's post, Thread 5, Page 37, Post #907
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"....People claim that the van was there for 2 days max....I wonder how positive they are about that statement."
Justice for Jennifer Ramsaran Facebook - Area Map Photo Notation
Notation by the individual/s maintaining the Justice for Jennifer Ramsaran Facebook page:
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Note that many residents of the Plank Road Manor apartments have stated that Jen's van wasn't parked there for 5 days. Most have said "1-2 days" or "2 days, max."
Option 2: Sometime after December 11, but where was it before? And, since word was now out of a missing woman, why take the risk of moving it to a rather public location?
The first question posed, is actually the second question I posed on my list of questions:
- Where could the van have been hidden, prior to it being abandoned at Plank Road Manor?
So I think we're on the same page in regards to that question.
The answer to that, is we don't know.
As for the second question about taking the risk to move it... one has to consider when the public came to knowledge of Jennifer's disappearance, and whether there was time to have moved the van to Plank Road Manor sometime after that.
December 11th, 2012
Jennifer disappears
December 12th, 2012
Jennifer's phone is discovered at the Moon Hill Road/SR-23 intersection by her husband.
8:39 PM - December 13th, 2012
The Chenango County Sheriff's Department issues the first missing person's statement in regard to Jennifer's disappearance, via their Facebook Page (link below).
Chenango County Sheriff's Department Missing Person's Report
December 13th and 14th, 2012
Local Media Outlets (MSM) begin to spread the Chenango County Sheriff's Missing Person's Report to the greater public later in the evening of December 13th (via evening newscasts and online press statements), and in the morning newspapers and electronic media of December 14th.
10:29 PM - December 13th
CNY Central - Chenango County Sheriff's Office searching for missing woman
8:22 AM - December 14th
CNY News - Chenango County Searches for Missing Jennifer L. Ramsaran
December 14th
Evening Sun - Police on the lookout for missing New Berlin woman
December 14th
The Daily Star - Info sought on missing New Berlin woman
December 16th, 2012
Jennifer's van is discovered by her father at the Plank Road Manor apartment complex (two and a half days after the Sheriff Department's release concerning Jennifer's disappearance reached, and was spread by media outlets).
According to her father, the van was covered in an unusual amount of mud.
The mud can indicate two things...
1) The van was driven down a muddy road somewhere, possibly Coy Street or another dirt road, in the vicinity of where Jennifer's body would eventually be found.
2) The van was intentionally covered in mud, possibly caking the plates (Note: New York State has front and back license plates) with mud, and trying to blot out or conceal the color of the van, making it look like one had been "mudding" or off-road riding, when in fact concealing it for a short time.
It could also serve in the purpose of masking it to drive to the ditching point at Plank Road Manor.
More likely than not, the cover of darkness may have been utilized as well. One would be less likely to be pulled over for an obscured license plate, considering that LE in that area aren't heavily staffed, nor are they as heavily active at night as they are in the day.
The speed trap in the park across from Plank Road Manor possibly wouldn't have been manned at that time of the month either. They tend to be active there towards the end of a month.
The fact that it was Jennifer's father who found her van seems to indicate that at that time, LE had nothing more to go on, save for the phone that GR had found (possibly) at the Moon Hill Road/SR-23 Intersection.
It could also possibly indicate that a search hadn't been mounted right away. This could possibly be due to the statement about her potentially dying her hair and changing it. That could possibly have indicated the potentiality that she had altered her appearance so as not to be recognized in the course of disappearing, and thus may have assumed that she may had long since left the area.
The first active search by LE (named in the media as taking place), occurred when a search warrant was issued on the 18th of December, to search the premises of the Ramsaran residence. (two days after her van had been discovered)
If we factor all of it together... there seems to have been a lot of time there for one to get rid of possible evidence.
What irritates me most about it all... we just don't know at this time :banghead:
Sorry for the length, mods :blushing:
