Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 6

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Surely after viewing the Remy Pose, I can't be the only one that has entertained the thought of a Roid Rage scenario as a possibility.

http://www.steroidssideeffects.com/

Steroids Side Effects

Aggression- aka “Roid Rage”. As mentioned earlier this is another potential psychological side effect. There seems to be a proportional correlation with the androgenic property in the steroid(s) being taken, and the potential for this effect. This side is often interpreted to one extreme or the other – incorrectly. Many mistakenly believe that taking steroids will turn you in to a raving lunatic – which is not the case. That being said many who take steroids deny the effect even exists. It’s important to realize that it is scientifically proven that there is a correlation between androgen levels and emotions such as patience, tolerance and anger and actions such as aggression. It seems most prudent to be aware of this so if it does rear its head you can think before you act or react.
Actually... That came to my mind fairly early in the case in light of so many athletes committing horrendous murders of spouses/GF's in the news...

and I really hope LE checked/is checking this in their investigation!!!

:what:

JMO
 
Surely after viewing the Remy Pose, I can't be the only one that has entertained the thought of a Roid Rage scenario as a possibility.

http://www.steroidssideeffects.com/

Steroids Side Effects

Aggression- aka “Roid Rage”. As mentioned earlier this is another potential psychological side effect. There seems to be a proportional correlation with the androgenic property in the steroid(s) being taken, and the potential for this effect. This side is often interpreted to one extreme or the other – incorrectly. Many mistakenly believe that taking steroids will turn you in to a raving lunatic – which is not the case. That being said many who take steroids deny the effect even exists. It’s important to realize that it is scientifically proven that there is a correlation between androgen levels and emotions such as patience, tolerance and anger and actions such as aggression. It seems most prudent to be aware of this so if it does rear its head you can think before you act or react.

Two more points regarding potential steroid abuse by GR...

He is continuing to act impulsively..(multiple media interviews right after the finding/IDing,of Jen's body. (Poor Jen)

and prolonged and extensive abuse of steroids can lead to erectile disorders...

Hmmmmm....

Now THAT could REALLY send a narcissist into a rage?...

YKWIM?... :waitasec:
 
That is what i heard after the holidays but can't remember where hope i'm not speaking wrong here!
 
....And maybe a HazMat suit... To boot....:gasp:

Man Clue, I just about laughed so hard, I choked.

You and these smileys/gigs make me SO happy. In fact, I think we are all using them more now.

Yay!

Glad we are able to laugh a bit, I can't wait to celebrate!!!!!!
 
Two more points regarding potential steroid abuse by GR...

He is continuing to act impulsively..(multiple media interviews right after the finding/IDing,of Jen's body. (Poor Jen)

and prolonged and extensive abuse of steroids can lead to erectile disorders...

Hmmmmm....

Now THAT could REALLY send a narcissist into a rage?...

YKWIM?... :waitasec:


'Yep, IHAVENOCLUE, and steroid use can also cause testicular atrophy. Yet I think we can prolly rule that out, huh?'...
 
Two more points regarding potential steroid abuse by GR...

He is continuing to act impulsively..(multiple media interviews right after the finding/IDing,of Jen's body. (Poor Jen)

and prolonged and extensive abuse of steroids can lead to erectile disorders...

Hmmmmm....

Now THAT could REALLY send a narcissist into a rage?...

YKWIM?... :waitasec:

sorry to quote myself...

but I am not sure about ED being a possible side affect of Steroid abuse...

But I do recall that it can have an adverse affect on a male's "naughty bits"...

:dunno:
 
O/T
Mods: there used to be links to the previous threads at the bottom of the current thread. Can "we" do that again?

Hello there! The links to previous threads are in the very first post of this thread. Link to the opening post below:

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They are also still listed at the bottom of the page, at least for me??? (Scroll way down...)
 
'Seeds are for Planting'... Guess, you reap what you sew....Judge each day not by the harvest you reap but by the seeds you plant.
Robert Louis Stevenson

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman

Jennifer Renz Ramsaran, the 36-year-old stay-at-home mom missing for a week under suspicious circumstances, had begun discussing the possibility of separating from her husband and had made new online gaming friends through her iPhone account, a family friend said Tuesday.

“It sounded like she was developing an emotional attachment to somebody,” said a source who spoke to The Daily Star on the condition of anonymity. “If there was somebody showing her an awful lot of attention, I could see her being misled.”

Whoever made that that comment may have been 'misguided' by events at the time, imo. I don't think Jennifer was easily led, just maybe unwilling to give up seeking respect and love and loyalty and affection where there was none to be found, imo. Poor Jennifer. What a lovely lady though. Her parents can be proud.
 
And... It could have gotten on other parts of her body...

Or... Even on GR's body?

Is he trying to explain away dye LE found on HIS body... Clothes?

He might say she was wearing one of HIS t-shirts while dyeing/rinsing her hair?

Just thinking out loud here...

:dunno:

Could also be what the stain is in her mini-van as I believe another poster may have suggested earlier.

Ah, the forensic results. All of it.
 
For starters and to give us some stuff to dissect for a couple of hours while I pray that we have an arrest:


December 14, 2012 - The stay-at-home mom from Sheff Road in New Berlin was last seen on the morning of Dec. 11. Her husband, Ganesh Remy Ramsaran, told investigators his wife advised him that she was headed to the Destiny USA mall in Syracuse before she left the house at about 10:30 a.m., the sheriff said.

By then, the sheriff said, the children were already in school. “There was no problem (at the house) when they went to school,” he said.
Based on the information that a source related to a Daily Star reporter, Cutting was asked whether the couple was having marital difficulties.
“Like any marriage there are problems there,” he said. “But there are no indications of violence.”
Attempts to reach Ganesh Ramsaran were unsuccessful. He did not respond to a message sent to his Facebook account, and the couple does not have a listed home telephone number.

Jason Wicks, from Mobile, Ala., said he has been a friend of Ganesh Ramsaran for 20 years “He’s a great guy,” he said. “He’d go out of his way to do anything for anybody. He loved Jen. He’d never do anything to harm her.”

In a detailed posting on his Facebook page, Ganesh Ramsaran said he and his wife first dated at a Halloween bonfire celebration Oct. 29, 1994, while both were students at the State University College at New Paltz. Nearly five years later, the two married at Tempe, Ariz., on the campus of Arizona State University. Thirteen years ago Saturday, the couple’s first child, Cara, was born. Nearly three years later, the couple’s second child, Glenn, was born at the same hospital. Six years ago, the couple had a third child, Nicole, who was born in Albany.

“As the last few days have been blurred into one long nightmare I have finally let myself reflect upon the past a bit, something I normally don’t allow myself to do,” the husband, an avid running enthusiast and marathon competitor, wrote on Facebook.

“Jen would NEVER EVER leave our kids and I willingly,” the posting continued. “She has never left home and not keep in contact within 2-3 hours via phone or text. She would never miss our daughters’ Winter Concert last night or her birthday tomorrow. I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound. The kids and I miss her so much, her laugh, her quirkiness, just everything. Today I went to Walmart and I grabbed my cell to call home and ask her a question about which item I should purchase and reality smacked me in the face and I started crying uncontrollably! That was rough! I am strong and I know the kids and I will get through this.”
Elaborating on the ordeal, Ganesh Ramsaran went on: “All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case. The helplessness and the not knowing is an additional nightmare which I can’t escape from right now. The lack of sleep, the loss of appetite, the stress of not knowing, the worrying where and how she is doing is a burden that I never thought I would have to carry but life comes with some curve balls.”
In one of his last postings pertaining to the case, Ganesh Ramsaran recalled that two days before his wife vanished, he visited a local grocery store and filled up the gasoline tank of the minivan that she would use.

This was what was posted on the psychic blog –

Ganesh Remy Ramsaran17 December 2012 14:01
Please help me and our family find my wife! We are all so lost without her! Our kids and I are really hurting.


The not knowing is the worst,” he told NewsChannel 9. “It's just brutal and it's unfair to the kids. Forget about me, it's unfair to the kids, to my in-laws.” Since Jennifer left, her phone and car have been located but family and friends have not heard from her. Ramsaran says he's cooperated with police, saying investigators spent days combing through his home looking for clues. “It's just a rollercoaster. Some days I have hope, some days I don't."

December 21st, 2012 - Jennifer L. Ramsaran, 36, has been missing since Dec. 11. Her cell phone, which her husband, Ganesh Remy Ramsaran, said he found utilizing the Find iPhone application, was discovered on Dec. 12, while her minivan was located days later on Dec. 16. There has been no contact between the missing woman and family or friends since her disappearance, and no activity on any of her online accounts, despite reports of her growing fascination with online gaming.

January 21, 2013 - Ramsaran's husband told Action News he is letting the Sheriff's department take the lead in the investigation. As of Friday, the Sheriff's office was still waiting on Ramsaran's telephone records.

January 29, 2013 - For the first time, her 37-year-old husband Ganesh Ramsaran spoke to the media about his wife's disappearance. "There are days where I have hope," Ramsaran said. "And then there are days exactly the opposite." Ganesh Ramsaran said he has spent nearly two months on little sleep wondering where his wife could have gone. "You think about the worst, you think about other possibilities, you just don't know" he said. "The not knowing is the most brutal."

Ganesh Ramsaran and his wife share three children. He said she has always been passionate for her kids and her artwork.

But in the few months before her disappearance, he said she stopped painting, lost weight and her mood changed. "I was so proud of her because she was 190 pounds that Sunday the (Dec.) ninth. She hadn't been 190 pounds in years," Ramsaran said. "And you know, she changed unfortunately ... I'll leave it at that."

Ramsaran said he'd stayed silent to avoid disturbing the ongoing police investigation.

"The people that know us, I so appreciate their support. And everything that they've done, not just for me, but for the kids," he said. "The people that don't know us, that mudslinging and everything else, I have nothing to say. The truth always comes out."

In a prepared note, Ramsaran addressed his wife of 13 years. I don't think you ever knew how much we care for you, and how much your love and everything else -- " he read, before breaking down.

January 30, 2013
Missing woman's husband speaks
By Joe Mahoney The Daily Star
Ganesh Ramsaran, the husband of missing Jennifer Ramsaran of New Berlin, said Tuesday that he appreciates all the work police have done to find his wife, including the interrogation he underwent as detectives sought to solve the mystery
February 16, 2013 - The last thing in the world that you could ever imagine is going through something like this. And the kids and I, our families, all that we think and worry about is knowing that Jen is going to be fine, that she's going to be safe, that she's okay,” said Ganesh Remy Ramsaran, Jennifer Ramsaran's Husband. "You don't think the police have done evidence they need to do? If there's any type of evidence, the police have everything. They're doing everything they can. They've been incredible,” said Ramsaran.
Courtesy of the Jennifer Ramsaran blogspot - You see them, they're doing OK, they're doing the best that can be expected," Ramsaran said. "Of course they miss their mom, everyone misses Jenn you know." And his journey to become reunited with his wife of 13 years isn't over. "Jenn is the only missing person in Chenango county. And not only are they doing everything they can, but they won't stop," Ramsaran said. "And I so respect that." The last thing in the world that you could ever imagine is going through something like this. And the kids and I, our families, all that we think and worry about is knowing that Jen is going to be fine, that she's going to be safe, that she's okay,” said Ganesh Remy Ramsaran, Jennifer Ramsaran's Husband.
February 16 – Shining Hope Event - "Unless there's evidence of otherwise, always have hope. There's no doubt in my mind that we're not going to see her again," Ramsaran said. "There's not doubt in my mind. And that's what keeps us strong." Of course they miss their mom, everyone misses Jenn you know." And his journey to become reunited with his wife of 13 years isn't over. "Jenn is the only missing person in Chenango county. And not only are they doing everything they can, but they won't stop," Ramsaran said. "And I so respect that."
In an interview last week, Ganesh Ramsaran stated that both his sister-in law and his mother-in-law, Carol Renz, began viewing him with suspicion when they learned, following Jennifer Ramsaran’s disappearance, that he had a sexual tryst with one of his wife’s close friends.

When asked by The Daily Star if the affair with one of his running partners was a factor in his sister-in-law and mother-in-law becoming estranged from him, Ganesh Ramsaran stated: “I can guarantee that’s what did it.”

Courtesy of Jennifer Ramsaran blog spot - Ganesh Remy Ramsaran, when interviewed this morning, said he received a phone call at approximately 11:20 p.m. Tuesday, and was informed that members of the sheriff’s office were at his door. When told of the unidentified body, Ramsaran said he was “in a state of shock,” calling it an “out of body experience.”
Added Ramsaran, “This whole thing is a nightmare ... I can’t get over this. I haven’t spoken to the kids yet; there was no way I could let them go to school.” “I can only speak for Remy from his side of it, [but] he’s extremely upset and confused,” added Caron. “He keeps saying he doesn’t understand why Jennifer would have been there [and] that was not the route she would have taken.”
February 28, 2013 - Remy Ramsaran said he received a phone call from the Chenango County Sheriff's office this afternoon informing him that the body was his missing wife. Her husband, Ganesh "Remy" Ramsaran, told Action News that authorities came to his house on Tuesday night and asked for Jennifer's dental records and other medical information from a surgery she once had. Those records will be taken to the medical examiner.

Her husband, Ganesh "Remy" Ramsaran, who told investigators that he last saw his wife when she left to go Christmas shopping at a Syracuse mall that day, was notified by the sheriff's office today that it was his wife's body that was recovered in Pharsalia, Cutting said.



Ganesh Ramsaran said in a statement: "I would like to thank all those who gave up many precious hours of their own lives to help look for Jennifer. To all of the friends and family of both mine and Jennifer's, I thank you. I especially thank the businesses that stepped forward and offered their services..."



He thanked St. Batholomew's Church in Norwich, volunteers who aided in the search for his wife, as well as a business that assisted in printing missing-person flyers, among others.
Ganesh Ramsaran has said that sheriff's department and State Police investigators spent four days combing his house for evidence that might shed light on his wife's disappearance. He said he was questioned extensively by investigators, and has cooperated with the investigation since its inception.

2-28-13 -3:08 p.m. - "The not knowing was brutal and it’s tough. But, now that my wife was hurt, I want vengeance. Screw justice. I want vengeance,” said Ramsaran’s husband Ganesh Remy Ramsaran. "The way the body, the way my wife was found was via a tip,” Ramsaran continued. An early tip came from Ramsaran himself, who recalls leading detectives to his wife's cell phone through an app that uses GPS technology to find missing phones.

“I parked and hit play sound, play sound, and walked up over the bridge and embankment and heard it, "Ramsaran explained. "Once I heard it, I immediately called 911.” Ramsaran says he's grateful to the countless volunteers who spent hours searching for his wife. He also forgives investigators for the countless hours they spent hours searching his home, looking for clues.

"That was extremely, extremely scary and I told many, many of our family members, you know the husband is always the number one suspect," Ramsaran recalled. "There is nothing in the house...and four full days and they didn't even need a warrant. I had already offered, do whatever you want, you know. It is what it is man."

Today, Ramsaran credits members of the Chenango County Sheriff's Office with keeping him informed each day with sensitivity. He describes one lieutenant as both an investigator and, in a sense, a psychologist. But, he admits the investigation has been an emotional roller coaster.

"I was just hoping they were not wasting so much manpower here when, you know following up on other leads and stuff. But, I understand, it is a process, they have to do stuff," Ramsaran said. "I've never lied. I've always told the truth about everything. Knock on wood for technology, you're able to validate everything that I ever said."

As he sorts through pictures and memories on his couch, Ramsaran holds on to the message he gave his children when he informed them of their mother's death.

“We all have earthly bodies and hers isn't with us anymore, but her spirit, her soul is always with us,” said Ramsaran. Ramsaran said it’s very important that he finds out what happened to his wife. The Chenango County Sheriff’s Office would also like to know. Anyone with information about this case can call investigators at 607-334-2000.

Juicy... Here are treats for you for this phenomenal bulk of work!

:cupcake: :coffeecup:

:D
 
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To be fair that statement was released just after Jen went missing. Obviously still possible the person who said it knew or suspected she was dead though.
 
Oh... And ANOTHER thought on possible abuse of steroids by GR...

One of the last article's headlines has GR saying he wants REVENGE on whomever committed this crime....

don't we usually hear from spouses of murdered loved ones...(though GR doesn't even technically know if it is murder yet)...that the grieving spouse wants JUSTICE?... Especially when being quoted in media?

GR's rants of REVENGE sounds to me like possible impulsive, rage-filled exclamations...

(Steroid abuse affect?)

JMO
 
Also, did GR, After notifying LE at 8 PM the evening before that his wife has disappeared, After being questioned by LE and providing details to LE in person, After finding her iPhone in a fairly remote area, and After being very concerned that something terrible may have happened to his wife...did GR attend the Xmas Concert with his children on the day/evening of the 12th?

If so, the explanation is/will be retaining "normalcy" for the children.

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"...Dec. 12th, the very day after she went missing him & the children were at the Christmas pageant at the school...&#8221;

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503760145/Police-ID-body-as-Ramsaran#sthash.1rn2wLwV.dpuf
 
I've seen grief-crazed people making statements about taking the law into their own hands before. They don't sound like that though. And LE usually steps in pretty quick if they have a perp in mind who they think might be endangered.

Perhaps LE isn't worried that anyone is actually in any danger, in this case?
 
Anybody else on this thread think Jenny was quite, quite beautiful? With the most soulful eyes, beautiful eyes? And a lovely, creative character to match?

Just thought I'd put that out there, as the person you might have expected to do that, hasn't.
 
I have a question. There have been statements made about commenters here 'injuring' the case, and messing with LE's ability to investigate. I just wanted to know - does WS ever receive requests from LE asking them to stop people talking about one thing or another?

I guess I feel like if something WAS damaging an investigation, that since WS is a large site that prides itself on being here to help, surely LE would just contact the admins and ask them to stop us talking. And I'm sure everyone here would be only too happy to do so, if it was genuinely the case that we were damaging LE's ability to get their job done.

But does anyone know if this has ever happened?

Basically I'm just asking if those statements have any possible factual basis.
 
LE has me worried, if they really did not ask for her dental records until this week. That is standard procedure when someone is missing, especially under the circumstances.

I so hope that is not why they went to see GR and that he is caught in a lie.

Called down to him? Was he in a well? WTH...

I so agree..

Not to sound snarky... But I would think that would be in Missing Persons 101...

Interview doctors/dentists/any medical organizations of the missing person...

:waitasec:

JMO
 
Rickblaine, an insider to the case who I got the impression knew Jennifer well, stated that he didn't know of her knowing (if that makes sense) and he believed she found out quite late in the piece, if at all.

CC and GR have both said that she didn't.

However, quite early on, just from sleuthing, myself and several other members here (I think? guys?) had suspicions. It's because of that that I believe Jennifer must also have had suspicions. We later found out that people in the community did know, or had serious suspicions also. So overall I personally think it's unclear whether she knew, or knew for long, but I definitely feel like she would've felt.. something. I think it's quite rare for people not to suspect. I also strongly suspect she was gaslit, a LOT.

Oh yes... Even if not told.... The suspicions by Jen would most likely be there.... just one look-through on GR's FB page sent loud messages (to me, anyway)...

and the Gaslighting...:what:

This has always sounded so plausible... But now with every media exposure of GR and his twisted " revelations" ....

I can just see him creating the crazy-making scenarios with Jen... Turning everything HE does into being HER fault... And denying actions that are most evident ....

JMO
 
Anybody else on this thread think Jenny was quite, quite beautiful? With the most soulful eyes, beautiful eyes? And a lovely, creative character to match?

Just thought I'd put that out there, as the person you might have expected to do that, hasn't.

Very much so. From the moment I started following the case, something about her reminded me of Rosanna Arquette - something about her face just makes me think of RA. At any rate, yes, Jenny was a beautiful woman, inside and out.
 
Rickblaine, an insider to the case who I got the impression knew Jennifer well, stated that he didn't know of her knowing (if that makes sense) and he believed she found out quite late in the piece, if at all.

CC and GR have both said that she didn't.

However, quite early on, just from sleuthing, myself and several other members here (I think? guys?) had suspicions. It's because of that that I believe Jennifer must also have had suspicions. We later found out that people in the community did know, or had serious suspicions also. So overall I personally think it's unclear whether she knew, or knew for long, but I definitely feel like she would've felt.. something. I think it's quite rare for people not to suspect. I also strongly suspect she was gaslit, a LOT.

Oh yes... Even if not told.... The suspicions by Jen would most likely be there.... just one look-through on GR's FB page sent loud messages (to me, anyway)...

and the Gaslighting...:what:

This has always sounded so plausible... But now with every media exposure of GR and his twisted " revelations" ....

I can just see him creating the crazy-making scenarios with Jen... Turning everything HE does into being HER fault... And denying actions that are most evident ....

JMO
 
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