Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 9

[zwiebel]

Unless the person that made the commments was the one that wrote the article you cannot know the context. The article was written by a reporter who then took select comments and inserted them. You can infer what the reporters context is, but not the context of the sources the comments. There is a distinct difference.

Respectfully, I disagree, if I am understanding your opinion correctly. Surely the context of the conversation was that the anonymous person knew they were having a conversation with a journalist, and their words would be used in an article?

If the person in question regretted their comments later on, that's a different issue altogether.

 

[Solus]

Is there something you know about the interview that led to this article? it sounds as if you might.

I'm not sure if this will get snipped or not. I'm waiting to get verified, once or if that happens, then I can comment on that.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

Change in admin on FB https://www.facebook.com/MissingJenniferRamsaran

The new fb page JFJR has 34 likes but no post by admin?? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Jennifer-Ramsaran/471529269585608?fref=ts

The original site that was down appears to be back up https://www.facebook.com/pages/Help...for-Jennifer-Ramsaran/485680108145366?fref=ts

I wonder if there is anyone out there anticipating what might eventually appear, perhaps with a little dread? Not anyone supporting Jennifer, of course. They don't seem to be afraid of much at all.

 

[zwiebel]

I'm not sure if this will get snipped or not. I'm waiting to get verified, once or if that happens, then I can comment on that.

Whoops. Welcome to WS! Didn't notice you were new. Not sleuthing but Solus is Latin for alone, I think?

You certainly won't be on your own here on Jennifer's thread.

 

[Amanda79]

BBM



I wonder if there is anyone out there anticipating what might eventually appear, perhaps with a little dread? Not anyone supporting Jennifer, of course. They don't seem to be afraid of much at all.

May be the cold I'm fighting..... I'm not following.... :blushing:

 

[Solus]

Respectfully, I disagree, if I am understanding your opinion correctly. Surely the context of the conversation was that the anonymous person knew they were having a conversation with a journalist, and their words would be used in an article?

If the person in question regretted their comments later on, that's a different issue altogether.

From the article linked below:

Jennifer Renz Ramsaran, the 36-year-old stay-at-home mom missing for a week under suspicious circumstances, had begun discussing the possibility of separating from her husband and had made new online gaming friends through her iPhone account, a family friend said Tuesday.

“It sounded like she was developing an emotional attachment to somebody,” said a source who spoke to The Daily Star on the condition of anonymity. “If there was somebody showing her an awful lot of attention, I could see her being misled.”

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman

When the first paragraph is read, then there is an assumption that the quoted comments were in regards to that first paragraph. When it is possible that they were regarding a different topic of conversation. I'm not suggesting the person regretted making the comments, but I am suggesting that context is not known.

I'm only trying to suggest that at this time the intention is unknown. Alot of the theories or comments revolve around the idea that there is an attempt by the "Anonymous Friend" to deceive or cast a shadow on the character of JR. This has been treated as a fact. You can't always solve a problem if your not clear on what is fact vs perception.

 

[Solus]

Whoops. Welcome to WS! Didn't notice you were new. Not sleuthing but Solus is Latin for alone, I think?

You certainly won't be on your own here on Jennifer's thread.

Thank You :great:

You are correct, it is a gaming handle that I've used for a long time. Unfortunately it is not much of a cover name. Anyone that is familiar with me will know who I am. Or can find it out with a minimum amount of sleuthing.

 

[zwiebel]

When the first paragraph is read, then there is an assumption that the quoted comments were in regards to that first paragraph. When it is possible that they were regarding a different topic of conversation. I'm not suggesting the person regretted making the comments, but I am suggesting that context is not known.

I'm only trying to suggest that at this time the intention is unknown. Alot of the theories or comments revolve around the idea that there is an attempt by the "Anonymous Friend" to deceive or cast a shadow on the character of JR. This has been treated as a fact. You can't always solve a problem if your not clear on what is fact vs perception.

Ah, okay, with you. So say if I'd called someone as a journo and said 'Can you please tell me, is there any, any reason Jennifer would be voluntarily missing?'

Then used that quote without mentioning my questions, to imply they had come up with that idea, all on their own?

Some journalists might do that sort of thing, agreed.

Not the one in question, in my opinion.

 

[zwiebel]

May be the cold I'm fighting..... I'm not following.... :blushing:

Sorry. I meant the empty fb page out there, just ticking away. If I'd done something to harm Jennifer, I might be a little worried what might be coming up. But who knows? There have been such strange things happening 'out there' I wouldn't be surprised to find this page is being maintained by Father Christmas, to be honest.

 

[Ace85FL]

I'm not saying I disagree with you.

However, if we stick with the initial article for a moment. It is possible that they didn't see how it would help to mention all the good characteristics. While it is easy to second guess what should have been done, keep mind people are people. That doesn't necessary imply that there was an intent to deceive.

You're right... people are people.

There was and has been continual emphasis on the fact that Jennifer was a mother. However, being a mother, no matter how admirable a devoted mother can be, doesn't say much about the quality of a person's character, because let's face it... there's plenty of bad mothers out there as well.

For one who didn't know Jennifer, or the quality of her character... what was presented was a picture of a run away wife (and mom).

One would assume that for someone to have been married to someone, that they would know the content of their spouse's character.

The things that they would say about their spouse, you would think, would be an accurate depiction of the character of the person that they're married to.

Most of what was said about Jennifer, came from her husband, and didn't define her character, but was moreso a character assassination based on non-character defining things.

There was never any emphasis placed on her character, or things that would define her character. There was never any emphasis placed on the fact that she had fibromyalgia.

Those not in the know, or who didn't know Jennifer, would only have the reliance of those that knew Jennifer, in order to have a proper presentation of her character.

The main person that was at the forefront of that, was her husband. He was continually in the media.

It's also possible that the characteristics were never mentioned, because they were never presented to be mentioned.

You would think that they would at least be mentioned by the husband, to implore the community to help.

One CAN'T say whether or not it was done in an effort to deceive, but one CAN'T rule out the possibility that it WAS done in an effort to deceive.

 

[zwiebel]

When I first read this thread, I was under the impression Jennifer and her husband lived in a huge mansion, in a huge estate, in splendid isolation, and just greeted each other sometimes, whilst passing in the grand halls. Bathrooms that didn't get checked for days, etc.

I was so shocked to see Jennifer's house looked like - a house, really. With husband working from home and Mom and Dad next door!

 

[fringles]

When the first paragraph is read, then there is an assumption that the quoted comments were in regards to that first paragraph. When it is possible that they were regarding a different topic of conversation. I'm not suggesting the person regretted making the comments, but I am suggesting that context is not known.

I'm only trying to suggest that at this time the intention is unknown. Alot of the theories or comments revolve around the idea that there is an attempt by the "Anonymous Friend" to deceive or cast a shadow on the character of JR. This has been treated as a fact. You can't always solve a problem if your not clear on what is fact vs perception.

Solus, welcome, and I think I understand what you're saying - if I had a friend go missing I would be telling anyone who would listen anything I could remotely think of that might in some way help them be found. I wouldn't remotely consider my quotes coming back to haunt me should later developments make it look as though I was trying to imply something that at the time I wasn't.

Is this more what you mean by out of context?

 

[zwiebel]

Oh gosh fringles, thank you for highlighting that aspect. That could be a nightmare for the person concerned, if they were only trying to help.

I am sure people would understand though, if that could be explained.

 

[Solus]

One CAN'T say whether or not it was done in an effort to deceive, but one CAN'T rule out the possibility that it WAS done in an effort to deceive.

Thanks Ace that is what I was trying to say. It has appeared to me that only the latter was even considered. Not saying that is true, but it is the impression I have received.

 

[Solus]

Solus, welcome, and I think I understand what you're saying - if I had a friend go missing I would be telling anyone who would listen anything I could remotely think of that might in some way help them be found. I wouldn't remotely consider my quotes coming back to haunt me should later developments make it look as though I was trying to imply something that at the time I wasn't.

Is this more what you mean by out of context?

Partly absolutely. Without going into more at the moment. I'm throwing out the possibility that they weren't related to the first paragraph at all.

Hasn't anyone had a conversation with a person when your trying to figure out how something could have potentially happened. Not suggesting that it made sense, or was in their character, but simply attempting to figure out how a scenario could possibly have played out.

 

[epiphany]

Partly absolutely. Without going into more at the moment. I'm throwing out the possibility that they weren't related to the first paragraph at all.

Hasn't anyone had a conversation with a person when your trying to figure out how something could have potentially happened. Not suggesting that it made sense, or was in their character, but simply attempting to figure out how a scenario could possibly have played out.

BBM

Sure...but if I have the opportunity to speak to a reporter only 8 days after my close friend has disappeared, I'm going to seize that moment to present my close friend in only the most favorable light to the public.

OTOH, if I am close friends with a couple, but it is the spouse of the disappeared person who is one of my best friends...that might be a little different.

 

[Solus]

BBM

Sure...but if I have the opportunity to speak to a reporter only 8 days after my close friend has disappeared, I'm going to seize that moment to present my close friend in only the most favorable light to the public.

OTOH, if I am close friends with a couple, but it is the spouse of the disappeared person who is one of my best friends...that might be a little different.

Perhaps. I can look back and think of lots of things that could be done different once an event is being reflected on.

Perhaps the concern was on wanting to get the word out on Jen being missing, and not thinking about justifying her character. I can imagine the person was greatful that someone was showing interest in putting the word out. If my best friends wife was missing, the last thing I'm thinking about is telling the world about how wonderful she is. I guess I would have thought it was assumed. I would have thought aboout providing any information regarding the disappearance. Yes hindsight is 20/20 and brings about a different perspective on events.

I do agree with you, in the future if I ever need to talk to a reporter about someone missing. I'll start off by bringing up her good qualities.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Bear question today: Why are we giving them the attention, that they so desperately seek?

:clap:

 

[krey]

Perhaps. I can look back and think of lots of things that could be done different once an event is being reflected on.

Perhaps the concern was on wanting to get the word out on Jen being missing, and not thinking about justifying her character. I can imagine the person was greatful that someone was showing interest in putting the word out. If my best friends wife was missing, the last thing I'm thinking about is telling the world about how wonderful she is. I guess I would have thought it was assumed. I would have thought aboout providing any information regarding the disappearance. Yes hindsight is 20/20 and brings about a different perspective on events.

I do agree with you, in the future if I ever need to talk to a reporter about someone missing. I'll start off by bringing up her good qualities.

What do you now think happened to Jennifer?

 

[LolaAngelina]

I do not see why not...it expressly states from LE that the autopsy results are not back on Jennifer. And it states that they will make an inquiry regarding the removal of the HFJR page, and that they had nothing to do with it....so we can now disregard the FB info stating that, and put our attention back to JR....where it shouldn remain
https://www.facebook.com/chenango.sheriff Wednesday post and is public.

BBM
Thanks Bear, couldn't agree more. Jen seems to get forgotten among all the other goings on.
Great to hear directly from Ernie Cutting on what is happening with the investigation as well.