Perhaps, he left some of his clothes there from a prior sleepover (I doubt it.).
Obvi, they think MG participated in the cleanup in the apt (the charges), and then, he left. Did not accompany them to NJ burial site.
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Perhaps, he left some of his clothes there from a prior sleepover (I doubt it.).
Obvi, they think MG participated in the cleanup in the apt (the charges), and then, he left. Did not accompany them to NJ burial site.
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You mean, another blood filled sleep over? :gaah:
More from MG's attorney:
<snip> “Let’s be very clear. he was not involved in any homicide. He was not involved in desecrating Mr. Comunale’s body, and they didn’t charge him with that for the simple reason it didn’t happen, and they know it didn’t happen,” defense attorney Mark Bederow said of the charges against Gemma, CBS New York reports.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-...th-of-connecticut-man-last-seen-at-nyc-party/
Yeah, but did he help with the cleanup inside the apt & not provide truthful info to NYPD?
<snip> “Let’s be very clear. he was not involved in any homicide. He was not involved in desecrating Mr. Comunale’s body, and they didn’t charge him with that for the simple reason it didn’t happen, and they know it didn’t happen,” defense attorney Mark Bederow said of the charges against Gemma, CBS New York reports.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-...th-of-connecticut-man-last-seen-at-nyc-party/
Yeah, but did he help with the cleanup inside the apt & not provide truthful info to NYPD?
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Also, I Heard on 1010 that LE is putting pressure on MG and expect him to break and tell what he knows. His attorney thinks charging him is just a ploy to get the goods on the other two.
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Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Charles Solomon set his bail at $200,000 bond or $100,000 cash, and bondsman Ira Judelson immediately posted it, using Gemma’s fathers’ Oceanport home as collateral.
Assistant District Attorney Antoinette Carter argued against bail, saying Gemma was a flight risk due to the serious nature of the charges and the fact that Gemma “has access to substantial means.”
“Right now, the allegations are that Mr. Gemma changed his clothing, and we believe he had something to do with — not the death of Mr. Comunale — but the concealment of certain items,” Carter said.
Gemma’s lawyer, Mark Bederow, who has called his client “absolutely innocent” of any crimes related to Comunale’s death, said prosecutors are waging an intelligence shakedown.
“Nothing leads us to believe he is a suspect in an actual homicide,” Bederow said Tuesday. “I think the reason Mr. Gemma is sitting before the court is that this is designed to pressure and squeeze him — plain and simple. If they could bring a homicide case, they most certainly would.”
The judge noted his review of court documents shows Gemma “in that apartment when someone’s killed.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/suspect-charged-connecticut-man-stabbing-death-article-1.2900616
Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Charles Solomon set his bail at $200,000 bond or $100,000 cash, and bondsman Ira Judelson immediately posted it, using Gemma’s fathers’ Oceanport home as collateral.
Assistant District Attorney Antoinette Carter argued against bail, saying Gemma was a flight risk due to the serious nature of the charges and the fact that Gemma “has access to substantial means.”
“Right now, the allegations are that Mr. Gemma changed his clothing, and we believe he had something to do with — not the death of Mr. Comunale — but the concealment of certain items,” Carter said.
Gemma’s lawyer, Mark Bederow, who has called his client “absolutely innocent” of any crimes related to Comunale’s death, said prosecutors are waging an intelligence shakedown.
“Nothing leads us to believe he is a suspect in an actual homicide,” Bederow said Tuesday. “I think the reason Mr. Gemma is sitting before the court is that this is designed to pressure and squeeze him — plain and simple. If they could bring a homicide case, they most certainly would.”
The judge noted his review of court documents shows Gemma “in that apartment when someone’s killed.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/suspect-charged-connecticut-man-stabbing-death-article-1.2900616
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'A very good boy' Chris Hansen questions woman who knew Max Gemma
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...is-Hansen-questions-woman-knew-Max-Gemma.html
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It's ironic that Max Gemma's ONLY Google+ connection is to eMaids of New York City...
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Possibly whatever Rackover had in the large safe that he likely emptied prior to NYPD using a dolly to remove it from the apartment...
With this bunch, I am hesitant to even give a theory as it probably will end up wrong but I agree with the above. I think MG was there and his name mentioned to LE but he was not involved in the actual murder - maybe they gave him items to discard on his way out (clothing, drugs,etc). Maybe he couldn't walk by the front desk - or into his home) with blood on him so JR gave him a shirt. The clothing switch was seen on camera by LE who had been looking for that third person since the start of all this. Because of his Dad's background, MG may have thought it best to kept quiet about the events that night because he didn't want to be associated or because of illegal activity that may have transpired. LE is now pressuring with the clothing and charges because he has not been forthcoming. My other thought is maybe MG met LD/JC outside when they walked the women out for a cab. A transaction could have occurred between him and the men at that point or upstairs and was the spark of that argument .....who owed whom money perhaps . Either way - I think MG will be the catalyst that brings more information to surface.
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It was note upthread how little "talk" and attention there has been given to all the people who would potentially have been going in and out of the Rackovers' apartments.
Would it be naive to take it as a good sign, since the three invovled aren't cooperating, that informants and people with information are staying under the radar to not hurt the case against the uncooperative three charged so far?
Or is the idea that sick stuff could be happening at One Sutton Place enough of a controversy, given its well placed residents, to quash more questions, which is a somewhat conspiratorial and may be specious?
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Just getting caught up, couple random thoughts. Sorry in advance if these have already been discussed, I think I've read the entire thread but may be something I've missed in there.
One of the big questions here--how Rackover and Dilione managed to kill Joey and come out of it totally unscathed--makes more sense in light of the possibility/likelihood that Gemma was also there.
It's very possible that Gemma DID catch a beating--unless there are pictures out there of him from the days following the murder indicating otherwise--and the other chuckleheads were able to get to Joey with knives in the process of that. It would also explain them finding MG's bloody clothing (whether his own blood or JC's) but not clothing from the other two.
The broken pelvis is still very mysterious though. I still don't have a good explanation for that.
Also I think there is a good chance that sex was involved, but not in the way that has been primarily suggested on here. My best guess is that JR/LD/MG(?) were trying to hook it up with the 3 women that came over, and Joey was wary of them dudes and protected the women. I'm thinking he walked them out and then returned to the apartment either a.) to confront the other dudes for their behavior towards the women, or b.) to party more, not thinking the situation with the girls was even a big deal. Those girls were very lucky to have been with Joe that night.
I do think drugs were involved in the sense they were being used by most or all of the people present, but I don't believe the murder was a result of drug debt or something.
One of the big questions here--how Rackover and Dilione managed to kill Joey and come out of it totally unscathed--makes more sense in light of the possibility/likelihood that Gemma was also there.
It's very possible that Gemma DID catch a beating--unless there are pictures out there of him from the days following the murder indicating otherwise--and the other chuckleheads were able to get to Joey with knives in the process of that. It would also explain them finding MG's bloody clothing (whether his own blood or JC's) but not clothing from the other two.
The broken pelvis is still very mysterious though. I still don't have a good explanation for that.
Also I think there is a good chance that sex was involved, but not in the way that has been primarily suggested on here. My best guess is that JR/LD/MG(?) were trying to hook it up with the 3 women that came over, and Joey was wary of them dudes and protected the women. I'm thinking he walked them out and then returned to the apartment either a.) to confront the other dudes for their behavior towards the women, or b.) to party more, not thinking the situation with the girls was even a big deal. Those girls were very lucky to have been with Joe that night.
I do think drugs were involved in the sense they were being used by most or all of the people present, but I don't believe the murder was a result of drug debt or something.
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All good thoughts.
I am still bothered by Joey not having pants on. I don't believe they removed his pants before disposal. I, also, don't think there was anything sexual between the perps and Joey. So, hard for me to let go of the pants. I, also, don't think they were all sitting around in their boxers. I don't believe he knew them well enough to hang out in his boxers.
The only things that I see as a possibility, if something was missing and they were searching Joey to find it.
I do think drugs were a big part of this. JMO
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I believe drug consumption was a big part of this.
And I wonder too why Joey was without pants.
And I wonder too why Joey was without pants.
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Hmm. I'd forgotten he was found with no pants, good call.
My first thought would be they removed his pants before disposal, like for example if he was wearing tight jeans and they thought taking them off would help fit him in the suitcase or whatever they used.
It would be helpful to know, morbid as it is, where exactly the stab wounds were inflicted for a couple reasons, one being any wounds to the legs would make it very easy to determine whether his pants were removed before vs after he was killed. I guess we don't really need to know that though, I'm sure cops are fully aware of that and many other things.
Also going back to jerseygirl's post (sorry I don't know how to double quote), is it known for a fact that Joey went out the window at some point? I thought that was just one possibility that was being considered.
In any case, in a vacuum that seems like by far the most likely scenario that could have resulted in a broken pelvis, but in relation to everything else I personally know (which admittedly is not very much haha) it seems very complicated for that to fit. Was the thinking that he went out the window while still alive and returned to the building? That I could see. For any scenario, it's hard to believe there wouldn't be any witnesses though unless the apartment overlooked an alley (as opposed to the street)--is that something that's known at this point?
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Check check, thank you.
If he was stabbed exclusively in the chest that makes my line of thinking quite a bit less likely (I would have expected at least some of the wounds to be in the back and/or neck).
Also I noticed for the first time in the article HastingsChi linked above that they threw out bloody sheets? God, did they attack him in his sleep? That's even worse than anything I'd considered--I'd always imagined it was in some way shape or form a basic testosterone squabble that got astronomically out of hand due to drugs and what not, but maybe not... that could explain the lack of injury to Dilione and Rackover, and also why he wasn't wearing pants.
I very much doubt he was sleeping. LE have indicted, as you say above, an ongoing, testosterone-fuelled argument. I suspect this info comes from the women who left.
I think sheets were probably just used in the clean-up.
The odd thing about the case, to me, is why the 3 men charged are keeping silent about what happened and why (especially MG). That implies complicity, that they ganged up on Joey, rather than just JR going off the deep end. Or perhaps they have some unusual bond of loyalty to JR that they need to keep secret about.
This is the link for the quote above http://abc7ny.com/news/timeline-details-in-murder-of-missing-man-in-manhattan/1614077/
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