NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6

[svpernin]

This SK, he's no out of work landscaper. He is no "drifter." He is a guy who has such an huge ego, so cocky, so self confident--that he drove up and picked ALC up from her house--SOMEHOW CONVINCING HER TO NOT TAKE A CELL PHONE on an OUTCALL---never to be seen again. What kind of smooth talking must he have done to get her guard down like that? I'd also like to know HOW JB got SG to travel from NJ to Oak Beach--not a short trip, and not an easy trip.

Frankly, I think they both knew the john, and were with him previously. ALC wasn't afraid to leave without her cell, and SG was OK with arriving in the middle of nowhere at 2AM...Why? Because they KNEW him, they trusted him. He groomed them, and then he killed them. Melissa Barthelemy left the Hauppauge hotel at 1:30 am after her pimp got a call--you know what the caller said? The same thing he told ALCs pimp.."I'm up the block, tell her to come out" The Hauppauge hotel is a known hotel for escorts to host Incalls--buy yet there she was going on an outcall, alone.

He is smart, slick, smooth, good looking, cocky, more of a Ted Bundy than a Joel Rifkin. He's from the area for sure. He's sadistic, he's very tech savvy, he's a convincing liar and I can't emphasize this enough--a very good talker, I think he comes across as many classes above the pimps/escorts--almost impressive to them, a real high roller. The guy who spends time in the champagne room with private dances, throwing cash around. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in the "industry"--making *advertiser censored* or running strip clubs. A player--a kingpin of sorts. He must have "dirt" on some of these drivers/pimps--because I don't think they are all being truthful, WHY? I think they're scared they might disappear too.

Very well put! I feel the same way. One correction: it was Megan Waterman at the Hauppauge hotel, not Melissa B.

 

[svpernin]

I am re posting this. If

a} is so stupid that is why it was ignored. Ok thanks for not hurting my feelings

b} is common knowledge see a. Could someone point me the way. tia

C} is such a smart question no one knows the answer. I don't know who to thank first.

Haha, I can only speak for myself here but I didn't respond to it because I honestly have no idea

 

[fashionella]

Very well put! I feel the same way. One correction: it was Megan Waterman at the Hauppauge hotel, not Melissa B.

yes, my mistake--thanks.

 

[murray3017]

Hi Guys - just jumping in with a few reminders.

JB is sleuthable in regards to what has come out in MSM and because he was the last person, besides the driver to see SG. He is not a POI/suspect at this point, so he is NOT wide open. All sleuthing/posting has to be connected to what MSM and LE have told us.

I don't know who this "ryder" guy is - but he is NOT sleuthable. Several posts have been made and it appears no one is even sure that he is the right person. We never post about a person until we are sure we have the right one. AND we don't post about them if they are not in the MSM or named by LE.

Also - no sex site, including massage sites.

Let me or any of the mods know if you have questions.

Thanks,

Salem

Thanks, Salem. New to WS and not familiar with rules yet. Sorry for any inconvenience.

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

It would be nice to have the minutes of some, any or all of the LE Press. Is the DA involved at this point? Some States or City's do this different I believe. The DA runs the show on high profile Cases, I believe a Suspect has to be in play for this I'm not really sure.

 

[nugzter]

Has Rifkin been questioned in this case? I have read that the bodies can be ruled out as his victims. Is that accurate?
This is sort of a Silence of the Lambs scenario. Would it be possible that Rifkin was contacted by the SK and it was intercepted by LE? Is this SK a copy cat SK?

 

[whywhywhy]

I would hope and I'm ignorantly assuming that LE has already contacted all of the members of those adult message forums.

 

[whywhywhy]

Has Rifkin been questioned in this case? I have read that the bodies can be ruled out as his victims. Is that accurate?
This is sort of a Silence of the Lambs scenario. Would it be possible that Rifkin was contacted by the SK and it was intercepted by LE? Is this SK a copy cat SK?

Yes.

http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/rifkin-i-have-nothing-to-do-with-victims-1.2819302

or

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/nati...t-serial-killer-talks-about-its-newest/36722/

 

[scandi]

Yes, that was a very interesting site and thanks for that.

The one poster has 2 friends in LE and so I think she has been talking to them - what she says matches up with what we've learned. There is additional info which is helpful in sleuthing, like the bodies were 25' to 75' from the road. Also interesting is no one ever saw carrion birds in that area which they thought was odd.

There were several additional new points made so it is well worth the read IMO. [ame="http://www.findadeath.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28246"]http://www.findadeath.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28246[/ame]

 

[Chanler]

Did you listen to the podcast? this info wasn't months later, it was days later. His story stinks to high heaven. He will hire a lawyer soon.

Hi, Fashionella, JB was not taped talking about the May visit until December. The exact duration of Shannan's presence in the house is not determined by JB's word alone; the driver's records and phone records and the 911 call can pinpoint it more exactly. In any case, it has no real legal import. If this is the strongest one can seize, he will walk forever as a free man.

Story accounts vary without "stink[ing] to high heaven": The Gilberts gave different accounts of how they knew about the 911 calls within a single day.

 

[txsvicki]

Was Shannon seeing JB and the drifter friend both on her call? It's probably done sometimes with men, but IMO it's a little odd for 2 men to share one woman in that way. I still think the dr. is hinkiest of all.

 

[fashionella]

Hi, Fashionella, JB was not taped talking about the May visit until December. The exact duration of Shannan's presence in the house is not determined by JB's word alone; the driver's records and phone records and the 911 call can pinpoint it more exactly. In any case, it has no real legal import. If this is the strongest one can seize, he will walk forever as a free man.

Story accounts vary without "stink[ing] to high heaven": The Gilberts gave different accounts of how they knew about the 911 calls within a single day.

On May 8th, SG's sister and mother spoke to JB.(as per the podcast) On May 1st, LE talked to JB and the neighbors. 911 was called, they did get their 45 minutes later and then canine was sent at 9am as well--do a search here of swartzreport to see how/why who was dispatched. LE took statements on May 1st.

 

[KAYTOM]

Fashionella's comment 478# has me thinking...

Perhaps JB is cocky enough to think he could get away with it. It would be really dumb to dump bodies after the SG incident but maybe his cockiness outweighs is brains. The part where he calls the driver saying SG won't leave, could have been an attempt to take the driver out. Maybe thats why SG ran when she did. I don't know, its a bit far-fetched...


otherwise,
I agree with your assessment. I have the same feeling and definitely think he studies them by taking them out on a couple of dates to learn their weaknesses. He is most likely persistent and pays them very well. Well enough to get them to drop their inhibitions.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Just a mapping comment.

If you mark on a map these locations:

1115 America Ave (West Babylon)
2050 Express Drive South (Hauppauge, NY)
NY Port Authority Bus Terminal
Underhill Ave. (the Tremont section of The Bronx)
Oak Beach Association
Dumpsite location of bodies in Oak Beach

You can see a very clear pattern. It's an almost perfect loop.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I hope LE monitors forums.. IMO with the digital age, SK's no longer need to write letters to the media to get the public attention they desire.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I am re posting this. If

a} is so stupid that is why it was ignored. Ok thanks for not hurting my feelings

b} is common knowledge see a. Could someone point me the way. tia

C} is such a smart question no one knows the answer. I don't know who to thank first.

:laugh:

No clue but I liked this post so had to respond to IT. Maybe try going to the LE's website see if they post updates there?

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

I really resent the comparison of this sk to the television character Dexter. It is wrong on so many levels but mainly it is massaging the mind of society to romanticize sk's. Dexter, Hannibal, movies, tv...that's one thing--but a psycopath in our communiy that gets off on raping, torturing and murdering human beings is an entirely different animal.

Let this same serial killer serial kill the mother of that author and let's see if the romance with social sewage will remain alive with a heart of gold.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I have been looking for the post with the Escort Names of the firts 4 vics. Can't find em any more. HELP!!!!!!
SK would only know them by their Escort Names if he was a John. I want to try to run them thru some diffrent sites.....
All I can rember is Jasmine and Chloe.....

Not if he was close to them. It was mentioned earlier that he may have been dating then over and over to gain their trust. He could have conceivably been using their real names by the 4th or 5th "date". All of my "regulars" knew my real name.. a couple, even my last name.

To address another misconception I've read in.. most escorts don't get all jacked up on drugs that make them hallucinate before they head out on a call- guys kinda want to pay for sex with a girl who's actually on the same planet as them. kwim?

 

[carbuff]

I've certainly considered the possibility that SG was high on drugs, passed out somewhere, and either died of OD or exposure. She did, according to family, leave JB's without her jacket. But the average temps for LI in April are HIGH: 58 Degrees, LOW: 40 Degrees
http://www.newsli.com/weather/
So her dying from exposure is unlikely.

JMO

A healthy person could probably survive 40F over night, but if she got wet, her survival time would go way down. Hypothermia can happen very quickly -- and as your body temperature drops, your mental functioning tends to deteriorate as well, leading you to more unwise decisions. Yeah, she'd have had a decent chance of surviving, but not guaranteed.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Hey guys, this may sound stupid but I'll ask it anyway. Do we have the "official" LE briefs? Not CNN or other MM. I know LE has been holding the cards close but when they give a Press release do they give the minutes of the brief or it's just open Mic? When I read a Story if it says AP I know that's based on official information given. I'm just curious.

As far as I know it's just open mike.

See anything here?

http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/police/morepress.htm