GUILTY OH - Elaina Steinfurth, 17 months, Toledo, 2 Jun 2013 - #1

[GGE]

IntraUterine Growth Restriction is when the uterus is found to be "too small" for the gestational age of the fetus as compared to the size it is expected to be at a given time. This can be caused by a number of things - note I'm not a nurse or doctor, I got my information from being pregnant three times, all of them pretty eventful in rather stressful ways, and from this page among other google links - http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/endocrine/iugr.html

Anyway -
Perhaps this is more what she was referring to. Remember, our verified insider Ferretmommy said she (Angela) has an 8th grade intelligence level and I think she even said she wasn't being mean just stating a fact. So maybe her doctor said her uterus was too small, and she just ... you know, mentally ingested it differently than you or I would, causing her to state it in such a way to reporters as to make it sound like a different kind of "too small"... does that make sense?

edit - wait she was 7 pounds 13 ounces? in what world does a small uterus hold an 8 pound child? I'm back to scratching my head on this one. Her explanation doesn't make any sense in light of that point, but I don't think it's relevant anyway.

 

[GGE]

BBM: I take "shook his head" as no, she's not. Is that right? Wouldn't it be "nodded his head" if he thought the baby was alive?

Maybe, but I took it more like when someone shakes their head sadly at the total sad and unfathomable nature of a situation, personally. Plus perhaps he's disagreeing with her on top of that. Okay yeah he probably is disagreeing with her.

 

[OtherEyes]

This makes me so sad!!! Where is this sweet baby?!? I can't stop thinking of Elaina. She has truly been tugging at my heart and this is so unfair! This baby girl needs to be held and loved and cared for! Her daddy needs her, her sister needs her, her grandparents need her!
Where is she???? This precious girl needs to be found NOW!lease:

 

[vasportsmom]

Like everyone else I have no clue what Angela really meant but ... I have a niece that was born with one foot turned some and she started wearing a sort of boot at 2 months to try and correct it. The doctor felt that because she was a big baby and her mom was really small that Katy was cramped and her foot may have been kinda wedged under her mom's ribs and that caused the problem.

 

[cluciano63]

Whatever info LE is getting, it does not appear that they are searching for a live baby.

 

[vasportsmom]

Whatever info LE is getting, it does not appear that they are searching for a live baby.

No, it doesn't and that breaks my heart. They are clearly in recovery mode.

 

[swanniee11]

I wonder if she has made any effort or tried to see her 4yr old since this all happened? IMO

 

[swanniee11]

http://www.toledolegalnews.com/marriagelicenses/details/ref_index/8055

This link, if it works, seems to show that Terry and Angela filed their marriage license on june 3, 2011. So, would that be the date they married, or just the day they applied for their license? If it was the day the married, then their 2 year anniversary would have been the day after Elaina went missing. Noteworthy or coincidence?

Moms FB under "albums" shows a wedding pic dated 6/4/11

 

[Solitaryone]

I'm not good at maps, but I put the listed address for Angela's dad in google maps and directions from there to 704 Federal st. And its not far at all. If the link doesn't hold, just put this address in the get directions:


329 Valleywood Dr

Toledo, OH 43605-1727 to 704 Federal St.,Toledo,OH.



https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

I hope that everything along this route has been thoroughly checked. Searching again is important. I hate to ask this, but are there sewers along this area, and have they been checked? And dumpsters, have they been checked? I hope LE will give a press conference.

I hope baby Elaina will be found today.

 

[GGE]

Thank you for mapping the route, I didn't know for sure how to add it to an existing map! Here's the existing map - http://goo.gl/maps/r2o3j

 

[Solitaryone]

Thank you for mapping the route, I didn't know for sure how to add it to an existing map! Here's the existing map - http://goo.gl/maps/r2o3j

I don't know how to do maps, hope someone with the know how can look and see if there's anything that looks interesting.

 

[findmissingpeopleOH]

Ohio has a Chapter of Texas Equusearch

 

[Solitaryone]

http://www.toledolegalnews.com/marriagelicenses/details/ref_index/8055

This link, if it works, seems to show that Terry and Angela filed their marriage license on june 3, 2011. So, would that be the date they married, or just the day they applied for their license? If it was the day the married, then their 2 year anniversary would have been the day after Elaina went missing. Noteworthy or coincidence?

I think it could be noteworthy when combined with the known circumstances. Whether directly or indirectly a factor, it makes me wonder.

 

[andalso]

Ohio has a Chapter of Texas Equusearch

:welcome5:

Equusearch is definitely a good place for the family to seek help!

 

[andalso]

Moms FB under "albums" shows a wedding pic dated 6/4/11

Is her FB still accessible?

 

[cherubcollector]

Like everyone else I have no clue what Angela really meant but ... I have a niece that was born with one foot turned some and she started wearing a sort of boot at 2 months to try and correct it. The doctor felt that because she was a big baby and her mom was really small that Katy was cramped and her foot may have been kinda wedged under her mom's ribs and that caused the problem.

Exactly! At first it was thought that surgery may be needed, but after seeing the orthopedic doctor, it was decided that Elaina's foot could be straightened with physical manipulation.

In a previous post, someone said Elaina looked tall in the picture taken when she was in the stroller. Actually, she was in a saucer (like a walker w/o wheels) which isn't as high off the ground as a stroller. I think she is small for her age (like she did all of her growing in the womb). On her 1st birthday, she was wearing 6-9 month clothing. Although TJ is over 6 ft tall, Angela is only about 5'4".

 

[Ferretmommy]

sbm - just wanting to look carefully at the events here and make sure i'm picturing this all correctly.

So.. Steven is inside. Then angela goes inside and is in there for 5-10 minutes (not screaming and crying - and apparently not checking on elaina either, even though she's supposed to be fetching her - i say this because she didn't freak out about her baby being missing until half an hour after she went inside).

Then steven's mom goes inside, too. Then angela screams and cries, telling steven's mother that if she gives her baby to tj she'll never get to see her again, and spends a good 15-20 minutes carrying on to steven/steven's mom about this fact. Then it gets quiet, steven slips out at some point in this time frame, and then angela comes out saying the baby is missing.


Maybe steven's mother could give some insight as to what happened while angela was sobbing and having this little heart to heart about her strong need to be a mother. That would be difficult for me to witness, personally... I'd feel so bad and sympathetic, imagining how i'd feel if someone was about to take my baby from me forever. I'd like to think that i'd never in a million years consider being an accomplice to a parental kidnapping, though, and i"m sure that isn't what happened here either. So i just can't reconcile how this child went missing while steven, and angela, and steven's mother were inside.

I'm so confused. And mean no disrespect, and all is imho, etc... I just find it implausible that there could be people in the same house as a kidnapper and not notice it.

exactly!!!

 

[Ferretmommy]

My thoughts too katydid. With injuries like those, I would think she would need medical attention. Worries me also about her 'napping' so much. I believe these injuries could be 'the why' she didn't want the baby's daddy to see her....and why she knew she'd never see her again. Could it be she wanted to hide her away until the injuries were no longer apparent?

Oh, poor baby. Somebody needs to talk :maddening:.

This is what we are thinking is behind it all. But she was also overheard telling someone not long ago that she wanted to take Elaina and go to Florida so TJ couldn't find either of them and she could start fresh.

 

[GGE]

Taking a second to repost the link to Elaina's scanner thread. As a reminder, we're not allowed to talk about what's happening in the scanner thread on the main board, but just wanted to remind people that it is there.

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[Ferretmommy]

BBM Awesome point about the not checking her but to my knowledge , it seems Angela didn't ever ' freak out' even after she realized baby's missing.

No she did not freak out. She went to the house Friday afternoon to get her things and both girls' belongings, I know if it was me I would have been so hysterical when handling Elaina's things, yet she has shown little to no emotion during any of this, except when the camera was on her during the candlelight vigil and she knew they were recording her. THEN she made a big show of crying & sobbing, but after that-nothing. Tears dried up and back to emotionless.