GUILTY OH - Elaina Steinfurth, 17 months, Toledo, 2 Jun 2013 - #3

[The Cheese]

On Tuesday evening, during an interview with host Jane Velez-Mitchell, Toledo Police Spokesman Sgt. Joe Heffernan confirmed that investigators have brought in an outside specialist to conduct interviews with Elaina's 4-year-old sister and other children that were in the area when the toddler disappeared.

Heffernan also cautioned Velez-Mitchell's viewers to be skeptical of recent statements made by Angela Steinfurth, Elaina's mother, in which she claims to have been threatened by people tied to her baby's disappearance.

On Monday's Nancy Grace show, Richard Schiewe indicated that his step-daughter, Angela Steinfurth told him that she knew who took the baby but could not reveal who they were because she had been "threatened".

In response, Heffernan said "If my child was injured, threatened or not, I am going to make sure the child gets proper medical attention. She obviously did not do that. That's why she's in jail, right now, for the child endangering. I think this is maybe a little bit of a red herring going in with this "I was threatened" thing."

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=911468#.UcGWCPmbMSM

 

[LucyVino]

I am with you Ana- unless he can provide credible information concerning Elaina- I do not want to hear from him

He keeps changing his story he needs to go away. I don't know how Elaina's father is controlling himself. I would be hunting down that family.

 

[SCHMAE]

I'm thinking there is a real THREAT but it's not the way Angela claims. I think the threat is more like this ( you can attribute it to any adult in the house ) " If the police come and look around they will find our x, y , z *drugs/speculative * and then we will ALL be going to prison for a long time " . When you're involved in crimes, there is always a ' threat ' of losing your freedom and being locked up. There was clearly a threat to someone's freedom but I don't know who or how many people were involved in something they do not want the police to know about. Supposing Elaina was taken out of the house many hours prior or the the night before and SK and pal ran out back to hide evidence of their other crimes *(drugs, guns, etc)

Mooo on this one

 

[SCHMAE]

He keeps changing his story he needs to go away. I don't know how Elaina's father is controlling himself. I would be hunting down that family.

Watching dad on NG last night really broke my heart. He is a broken up young man and every time we see him, he's a little more haggard, dark circles, old and worn down looking. They've got to find the baby so the family can rest.

While I'm at it, RS ? Angela's stepdad strikes me as a guy who is sincere and wants to believe his child could not hurt her baby . I think he's in denial. I feel a bit bad for him. I understand he lied about the trip to work but I wonder if that is more of a misspeak or a detail that he just didn't find important so it's not all that clear in his mind. I mean he may be an outright liar. Of course I have no idea, but he seems so sincerely upset about missing Elaina that I just think Angela has hoodwinked him and he can't stand the idea of her doing something or knowing something so he's blaming the SK et al instead. I think if most of us had a child accused of such our auto reaction would be No way, not my kid. And he's just sticking to that in the face of mounting evidence that she is responsible for some/most/all of Elaina's whereabouts. I think he will be devastated when he finally is forced to accept that Ang did something. Mooooo

 

[laniefi]

New video here of JK house. Some inside some outside. Shows the pool and the room Elaina was in (ugh). Haven't heard audio as I have "little ears" around and don't want them to overhear it.

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=911315#.UcD7MVIo7IU

Wow, what a $%*& hole of a house! A dog shouldn't be in those conditions - let alone children! And they were sleeping on the floor! OMG...disgusting.

 

[laniefi]

A "Thanks" just wasn't enough on this one! I had to rewind and watch that more than once while screaming at the TV "THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID LAST NIGHT!!! LAST NIGHT YOU SAID SHE WAS SUPPOSE TO GO AND DIDN'T!!!!" :stormingmad:

I am so, so, so glad that caller called in with that statement. I know it was posted on here; but, I loved RS being confronted with that lie on TV for the entire world to see. I only wish Nancy would have said "Whoa, wait a minute, last night you told me she didn't go!" Why did Nancy just let that slip???? :stormingmad:

At first I thought RS seemed like a good guy. I have totally lost that opinion the more I have seen of him. First he said SK dropped the baby then tried to back pedal. Then he said AS didn't go to work when she did then admitted HE TOOK HER as if it were no big deal!! That's just to name a couple of issues I've seen. I don't believe a word that man says. He's obviously partaken in way too much of the AS/King Family CYA Kool-Aid!!! :facepalm:

Does anyone in that camp give a rat's behind about Elaina??? :facepalm: :banghead:

Sounds like the apple didn't fall far from the tree....

 

[MDATCA]

Watching dad on NG last night really broke my heart. He is a broken up young man and every time we see him, he's a little more haggard, dark circles, old and worn down looking. They've got to find the baby so the family can rest.

While I'm at it, RS ? Angela's stepdad strikes me as a guy who is sincere and wants to believe his child could not hurt her baby . I think he's in denial. I feel a bit bad for him. I understand he lied about the trip to work but I wonder if that is more of a misspeak or a detail that he just didn't find important so it's not all that clear in his mind. I mean he may be an outright liar. Of course I have no idea, but he seems so sincerely upset about missing Elaina that I just think Angela has hoodwinked him and he can't stand the idea of her doing something or knowing something so he's blaming the SK et al instead. I think if most of us had a child accused of such our auto reaction would be No way, not my kid. And he's just sticking to that in the face of mounting evidence that she is responsible for some/most/all of Elaina's whereabouts. I think he will be devastated when he finally is forced to accept that Ang did something. Mooooo

He is AS enabler. MS is also to a point but she was manipulated by AS and RS. RS was/is played so hard by AS he still can't see straight with all this smacking him upside the head. I feel really bad for this guy as he is self destructive mode trying to protect AS.

 

[SCHMAE]

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He is AS enabler. MS is also to a point but she was manipulated by AS and RS. RS was/is played so hard by AS he still can't see straight with all this smacking him upside the head. I feel really bad for this guy as he is self destructive mode trying to protect AS.

I agree. I'm just imagining the turmoil in his mind thinking no way could Ang do this and yet knowing as things come out that it's more and more likely that she did. It's a tough spot. When baby is found and the truth comes out, it will be interesting to see if he still sticks by her. My bet is no. But I don't bet because I'm wrong all the time.

 

[GGE]

I have a 10 month old and a 22 month old and when they start to cry I can hear them... For me it's like a sixth sense when my little cubs cry

Just catching up, I"m a couple of pages behind, sorry - just wanted to comment on this - I know what you mean. As someone who nursed my children rather than bottlefeeding, I can say that my body physically knew they were crying before my ears did... other nursing moms know what I mean.

I could be shopping in a store while my baby was being watched by my husband and I'd hear someone else's infant cry, even, and suddenly I'd be needing to nurse my own desperately for fear of leaking... sorry no pretty way to say it, when a nursing mom hears a baby cry she produces more milk, and often enough if you don't have nursing pads in your bra to absorb it, you end up with a shirt with two wet circles on the front... it's quite seriously a physiological reaction to react to your child's cry when you're a mother, your entire BEING reacts.

It just makes no sense whatsoever, this story.

 

[LucyVino]

I really don't know my feelings on RS he's obviously told some lies I think his excuse of the FBI telling him not to say what AS told him is another lie and his bashing TS Jr is uncalled for. That poor kid has been taking care of the girls and he seems so exhausted and confused. I really think AS has a drug problem and RS may be feeling guilty because he knows and he knows she was putting those poor little girls in harmful situations and more should have been done to keep them away from her. Going on TV and lying and blaming others is not going to solve anything. She is the mother and she had those girls in her care and SHE is responsible! Ugh I am so mad...

 

[packerdog]

Let's assume Ang is telling the truth ( just for argument's sake, trust me ) . How does a baby become that injured overnight without making a SOUND that would wake another adult? Sorry it's a lie.

ETA It's a lie UNLESS my previous pondering on whether or not Ang also has an ' alleged' former (eyeroll) drug problem. The drug mentioned previous, * speculative* is the only thing I can think of that would make someone sleep through a screaming injured baby.

Someone could have put a pillow over her face and made her quiet permanently.

 

[especiallyheather]

I really don't know my feelings on RS he's obviously told some lies I think his excuse of the FBI telling him not to say what AS told him is another lie and his bashing TS Jr is uncalled for. That poor kid has been taking care of the girls and he seems so exhausted and confused.

Respectfully Bolded and Snipped

Can you imagine sitting next to the man who says he has the answers to where your missing daughter and grandaughter is and not leaping over and holding him down DEMANDING those answers? In my opinion, TS and TS Jr. have a heck of a lot more restraint than I would if I were sitting there. :moo:

 

[laniefi]

RUBM

OH my, I wanted to throw a shoe at my computer!
Why is everything about his daughter?

What about Elaina, Elaina's Father ans Elaina's sister!! They are the ones screwed. They are the ones that are missing Elaina. This "mom" is obviously just telling a story a lot of people have already heard before: No idea what happened to the baby. If her actions or stability are any indication of her parenting skills or ability to actually parent her children appropriately, this story is going to end like all of the rest.

Ugh, reminds me of Casey Anthony, didnt her parents back peddle as well. Changing the story making it all about Casey, instead of Caylee. :/

IMHO - because he knows Elaina is already gone...

 

[GGE]

He keeps changing his story he needs to go away. I don't know how Elaina's father is controlling himself. I would be hunting down that family.

edit - Yes, I totally agree with you.

 

[SCHMAE]

Someone could have put a pillow over her face and made her quiet permanently.

True ! I'm referring to the black eye, bumped head and bloody/broken nose that Angela said she saw on Elaina when she woke up. Angela makes it sounds as if she put her to bed and all was normal, wakes up and these mysterious injuries with no explanation happened while they all slept an no one heard anything. The pillow is a good idea but after she cried from the injuries, right?

I've been becoming more and more concerned about her orange shorts . Were they on or off ? Are they missing with Elaina or are they in the house? If they are in the house but Angela says she was wearing them then who changed the baby's clothes AFTER mom saw her last and why ? It's becoming a real bug in my brain .

 

[2girlzmm]

Finally got all caught up from last night. GGE a great big thank you for all the transcribing you have done for us. YOU ARE WONDERFUL!

Coming from the meth capital it is very cheap and easy to make. I have known lots of people who make it in their trunks. AS is on something and like what was stated earlier Elaina seemed to walk fine to me for an 18 mth old.

CPS needs to also be blamed here. They were called came and then closed the case. Then called again and this time didn't come.

If AS wanted to be with SK so bad why not just leave the girls at RS instead of taking them to this house that was not even fit for a dog to live in.

TJ, Kylee, Ferretmommy and the rest of the Steinfurth family you are in my prayers. I wish I lived closer so that I could help with the search.

 

[SCHMAE]

Respectfully Bolded and Snipped

Can you imagine sitting next to the man who says he has the answers to where your missing daughter and grandaughter is and not leaping over and holding him down DEMANDING those answers? In my opinion, TS and TJ Jr. have a heck of a lot more restraint than I would if I were sitting there. :moo:

Yes, you can see where TJ gets it, right? His dad has great composure and earlier I was very worried about the 4 yr old and afraid someday , somehow Angela would try to resume her visits with her ( if she ever leaves jail , that is ). But after seeing TJ and big TJ and watching them speak and somewhat feeling them out, emotionally, I feel baby 4 yr old girl will be ok. They'll never let another human harm a hair on her head OR cause her anymore emotional grief. She will know she is safe in that family. God bless her little heart. Also ferretmommy's comments on here have helped. What a blessing to have her on this thread. Baby 4yrold will survive this nightmare.

 

[GGE]

Wow, what a $%*& hole of a house! A dog shouldn't be in those conditions - let alone children! And they were sleeping on the floor! OMG...disgusting.

Oh, interesting article!

"Steven King is Julie's son, and lives in the home with his mother.

Witnesses report that Steven ran out the back door of his mother's home immediately after Angela appeared at the front door reporting that her child had vanished.

Julie that information is true, but she was with Steven, and they were going out to make sure the baby hadn't wandered out into the pool.

She says she was with Steven that entire time, and then she told him to go down the alley to make sure she had not gone farther.

That is when he was said to have left for about thirty minutes.

But Julie says he did not diappear like some have said, but that he was with her nephew and another neighborhood boy, looking for Elaina."

Much more at link

 

[LucyVino]

Respectfully Bolded and Snipped

Can you imagine sitting next to the man who says he has the answers to where your missing daughter and grandaughter is and not leaping over and holding him down DEMANDING those answers? In my opinion, TS and TS Jr. have a heck of a lot more restraint than I would if I were sitting there. :moo:

No I could not and the body language on JR and SR was telling.

 

[laniefi]

I will share something here that I am not at all proud of and I have not read further in the thread so I'm building kind of off of what you are theorizing here. I'm completely with you. As you guys can tell by my posts, I have a young daughter who's 5 and I'm also I single mother. It's hard enough with my background and education to keep 'it together' at times and I know that the times when I have really been angry with my daughter or frustrated to the point I have almost walked out of the house, is in the middle of the night when I'm trying to sleep and she wakes up in some fit or doesn't want to sleep. Could be that I have a big day the next day or that it was a late day the day before but there have been times where I'm disgusted at myself for how frustrated I allowed her to get me. I have never hit her or did anything physical to her but I've gotten angry and raised my voice and sometimes walked away slamming a door because I just don't know how to make her calm down (clearly that's not the way.) Much of this was happening when I lived in Hamburg at a horrible job that was beyond stressful and I realize now that she sensed my stress and it reflected back to her. In the middle of the night when I'm half awake, half asleep, I have zero patience and when there has been tantrums or crying fits in the middle of the night like this, I wake up the next morning and feel HORRIBLE that I got so angry. During waking hours I am probably TOO patient with her. I'm glad this is over now, or seems to be.

But at any rate, kids sense the lack of stability and frustration in the mothers and NOW, to carry it further, add some drugs in the mix. Did AS black out (or SK for that matter) and they don't remember what happened to Elaina? Was she trying to sleep and became frustrated that the baby was fussy, which I imagine she was being on a floor in a strange house? If AS was 'high' and partying and the kids were fussy then I imagine that was a huge inconvenience to her. And back in the previous post where the Investigator says he can't talk about what the four year old has said, I would bet it is about how Elaina was acting or if the Mom got angry with her.

While it's of course possible there were no drugs involved, this is my opinion putting everything together. Who was AS talking to on the phone that day on the porch (or texting?) Was it SK or JK or someone else? Why did she need to go to the SK house if she could have stayed with her step-father? And if drugs were not involved, was this a setup on her part to point the blame at the K family? Better question too, what motive would SK have to harm the baby if they were broken up and she wasn't even normally staying at JK's house?

One last thing, do they drug test when you're arrested? Was the mother possibly drug tested and tested positive for something?

I would not be so hard on yourself. ALL parents get frustrated. Some can keep their cool and never raise their voice, some raise their voice and feel incredibly guilty afterwards. From what you wrote, you never physically harmed your child and knew that the way you were coping was not ideal for BOTH of you.

I consider myself a good mom. I am not perfect, who is? I love my DD with all my heart. I would NEVER intentionally hurt her. I have raised my voice at her. It was NOT a "screaming in her face", belittling type thing by any means. Like you I felt so guilty afterwards. I know that wasn't the way to handle the situation. I have not done it again.

I think sometimes we are way too hard on ourselves as mothers....