Julessleuther
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I could be way off base here, but I really do not think that Tiffany is directly involved. You have to put yourself in the mind of a 21/22 yr old...
My take on the scenario:
They were supposedly going out at 11 p.m. at night, and were picking Tiffany up. Most likely going to a bar or party. Even though Tiffany has her own car, she is riding with them, and one of them was probably the "designated driver". She is talking to both of them on the phone-a 3 way call. They are laughing and joking, getting ready to go out. The phone goes dead. She calls back, and Johny "answers" his cell (hitting the button) but at the same time is confronted by the perp(s) and Tiffany hears Johny asking who they were, etc. and the phone goes dead. At this point in time, she really knows nothing. For all she knows, Johny could have been startled, but it could have been a neighbor, a friend, etc. She does not know a crime has been committed. She is young--they do not think like us "seasoned pros". She waits for them for awhile, trying to call/text them back. Probably still not too concerned yet. When she does not reach them, she goes over in the car. Lights on, perhaps she can see in and see cabinets in the kitchen are ransacked (open, stuff on counter) but does not see them. If she rang the doorbell and perp is still there, he probably silenced Lisa and Johny, and "hid", so Tiffany would not see them. She leaves, maybe thinking they are at her house. Perp closes blinds so no more interruptions. When Tiffany realizes that they still have not come, she called Johny's mom. By then, the perp is done and turns lights off and leaves. Cops come, probably circled the house, but really did not make an effort to look in (lights off, blinds close). By 3rd 911, Johny's family looks in the blinds and sees them.
So my initial questions, based on this scenario would be:
1. Where the lights found on or off?
2. Tiffany must have known Johny's family to call them? Although some time had passed, not an unreasonable amount, considering scenario above. Why would J's Mom accuse Tiffany? She seemed forthcoming in calling them. Why not just leave it alone for that night, and have them discovered the next day?
3. Who would have known Lisa's parents were out of town?
4. Has LE stated for certain that drugs were involved? People use scales when they are dieting, especially weight watchers. Maybe someone in the house was dieting, so the scale was a common sight?
5. Fingerprints/DNA will be key in this case. There has to be something, somewhere in that house.
I think if Tiffany was involved, they would have nailed her already.
6. Did Tiffany have a boyfriend/or an ex who was jealous of her friendship w/Johny and/or Lisa? Maybe he thought Tiff would be with them?
Hmm-maybe not though, because if he were still in the house when Tiffany rang the bell, he would have had her come in.
This reminds me so much of the case of the family in Richmond VA that was robbed/murdered New Yrs eve/day...when their daughter returned from a sleepover, the burglars murdered her too, after she got in the house. Maybe a neighbors son who thought the house would be empty or had it for Lisa?
My take on the scenario:
They were supposedly going out at 11 p.m. at night, and were picking Tiffany up. Most likely going to a bar or party. Even though Tiffany has her own car, she is riding with them, and one of them was probably the "designated driver". She is talking to both of them on the phone-a 3 way call. They are laughing and joking, getting ready to go out. The phone goes dead. She calls back, and Johny "answers" his cell (hitting the button) but at the same time is confronted by the perp(s) and Tiffany hears Johny asking who they were, etc. and the phone goes dead. At this point in time, she really knows nothing. For all she knows, Johny could have been startled, but it could have been a neighbor, a friend, etc. She does not know a crime has been committed. She is young--they do not think like us "seasoned pros". She waits for them for awhile, trying to call/text them back. Probably still not too concerned yet. When she does not reach them, she goes over in the car. Lights on, perhaps she can see in and see cabinets in the kitchen are ransacked (open, stuff on counter) but does not see them. If she rang the doorbell and perp is still there, he probably silenced Lisa and Johny, and "hid", so Tiffany would not see them. She leaves, maybe thinking they are at her house. Perp closes blinds so no more interruptions. When Tiffany realizes that they still have not come, she called Johny's mom. By then, the perp is done and turns lights off and leaves. Cops come, probably circled the house, but really did not make an effort to look in (lights off, blinds close). By 3rd 911, Johny's family looks in the blinds and sees them.
So my initial questions, based on this scenario would be:
1. Where the lights found on or off?
2. Tiffany must have known Johny's family to call them? Although some time had passed, not an unreasonable amount, considering scenario above. Why would J's Mom accuse Tiffany? She seemed forthcoming in calling them. Why not just leave it alone for that night, and have them discovered the next day?
3. Who would have known Lisa's parents were out of town?
4. Has LE stated for certain that drugs were involved? People use scales when they are dieting, especially weight watchers. Maybe someone in the house was dieting, so the scale was a common sight?
5. Fingerprints/DNA will be key in this case. There has to be something, somewhere in that house.
I think if Tiffany was involved, they would have nailed her already.
6. Did Tiffany have a boyfriend/or an ex who was jealous of her friendship w/Johny and/or Lisa? Maybe he thought Tiff would be with them?
Hmm-maybe not though, because if he were still in the house when Tiffany rang the bell, he would have had her come in.
This reminds me so much of the case of the family in Richmond VA that was robbed/murdered New Yrs eve/day...when their daughter returned from a sleepover, the burglars murdered her too, after she got in the house. Maybe a neighbors son who thought the house would be empty or had it for Lisa?