OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #1

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My husband's favorite shows include "Breaking Bad", "Weeds", "Dexter" :(
And he doesn't do any drugs or murder, as far as I know...
These are just very popular shows....
And the least odd thing about JC, IMO...

I'm wondering if shows with this type of content might be watched by normal people like your husband...but people with bent minds or an affinity for drugs could watch the shows for bad reasons, and their brains would be affected quite differently by them?

Not to be silly, but my mom used to have a fit if my siblings and I watched The Three Stooges, because of the violence (back then, this was violence!). She was afraid we would copy their behavior. We weren't going to hit anyone over the head with a hammer, but some kids might do what they saw in these movies...know what I mean?

Also, I'm not implying that JC had weird motives for watching these shows--I'm just making a general comment that could apply if we knew more.
 
Who confirmed what time the phone was turned off? Or should I ask how did JC or his mother know what time the phone was turned off?

I don't believe anyone has actually confirmed it. JC stated the time.
 
Schoolgirl - You can only edit a post for a hour or so after posting. What you will have to do now is copy the post, paste it in a reply window and then add new info.
YOUR LIST is so good and helpful, we won't mind seeing it again!

Aww, thank you, News Junkie! And thanks to others who have thanked me for my post(s). This seems like a really great group of intelligent and friendly folks.
 
My husband's favorite shows include "Breaking Bad", "Weeds", "Dexter" :(
And he doesn't do any drugs or murder, as far as I know...
These are just very popular shows....
And the least odd thing about JC, IMO...

Thanks - since I don't watch any of them this helps!

I guess the mind can wonder in any direction in cases like this, eh?

I even find it odd he has only one music selection and that group bio is:
Composed largely of transplants to the Seattle area, The Head and the Heart write and play songs that speak to the newness of a fresh start, of the ghosts left behind, of moving forward, all brimming with a soulfulness and hope for a better life than the one we've all been sold.
http://www.facebook.com/theheadandtheheart?sk=info

Perhaps an indication of why they wanted to go to CO. Or mindset??

IDK - just grasping to stir new ideas. Not pointing at him, per se (but I do find him hinky at best, my own opinion) so....... come on Tim Miller, get here and start talking on NG. I need real info!
 
I don't understand "burning" as means to destroy documents. Whatever happened to shredding?

JC said she had a lot of papers, too much to shred. According to him she was burning more than tax records. School papers and schedules, bank statements. She must have saved everthing, if his statement is correct.
 
I'm wondering if shows with this type of content might be watched by normal people like your husband...but people with bent minds or an affinity for drugs could watch the shows for bad reasons, and their brains would be affected quite differently by them?

Not to be silly, but my mom used to have a fit if my siblings and I watched The Three Stooges, because of the violence (back then, this was violence!). She was afraid we would copy their behavior. We weren't going to hit anyone over the head with a hammer, but some kids might do what they saw in these movies...know what I mean?

Also, I'm not implying that JC had weird motives for watching these shows--I'm just making a general comment that could apply if we knew more.

Agree - it is the psyche of the person watching not the show or the effect or desire to watch of a 'healthy' person.
 
No new news on Katelyn I see :(

disheartening

but it's nice to know equuSearch is coming in to help

God bless Tim and his equuSearch team!

August 29, 2011: Tim Miller, Founder and Director of Texas EquuSearch, will be traveling to Fairfield, OH tomorrow, August 30, 2011 to meet with law enforcement to assist in the search for Katelyn Markham:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/155379334541721/
 
Well that information is on her official missing persons page with the Ohio Attorney General....

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Enforcement/Unsolved-Cases/Missing-Persons/Missing-People/Markham

Although I do notice that is says "around" 12:45pm. :waitasec:

The reason the title of that episode of Hero's struck me odd is he said:
At 12:52 a.m. Sunday, he received a picture of Markham on his cellphone, sent via text message from her phone.


http://www.middletownjournal.com/ne...cal-woman-was-photo-sent-by-text-1231535.html
 
I just saw in a clip of JC giving an interview describing Katelyn he was describing her in the present tense.

I wonder if Katelyn lived near an interstate?

I watched a case last night of killers who's victims lay in close proximity to freeways and interstates.
 
Just some information that i think should be known.

JC commented on his fb page after one of the searches that he hopes they find THEM.

One of Jc friends posted on his fb and called him papa... This post hassince been deleted

KM cousin said on KM dissapearence page that they had been fighting sat night at the festival because he spent 100.00 on raffel tickets

Post from JC fb page July 16: "all of my best friends dont know"

Aug 16 JC fb post: searching didnt go well i really miss her i really hope SOMEONE finds her. Is this him starting to feel guilty and is just hoping someone finds her where he put her?

Some other misc info: a comment made by a friend in june in reference to someone stealing a video game out of his car said "i have never seen you so pissed before" this post has too been deleted Also john says "they didnt even steal my gps just the game" has pd looked at his gps to check recent trips?

June 8th katelyn commented on JC fb page saing "we could stay in Kalamazoo MI the commented on same post and said "**** we could LIVE there" was this her way of expressing she did not want to move to Colorado?

On april 25, 2011 KM did NOT wish JC a happy birthday...they were not as happy all the time like everyone says.

I am kinda thinking maybe KM recently found out she was pregnant and thats why JC said "THEM" and that "even his best friends dont know" and if what KM cousin said was true that they were fighting at the festival because he spent 100.00 on raffel tickets may KM had enough and realized he was not going to change and start being more responsible. She decided she no longer wanted to be with him let alone move to Colorado with him. She prob broke it off with him that night and it through him in a fit of rage because he already feels worthless, working as a pizza driver he is not making enough money and she is far more motivated and responsible (working 2 jobs, interning, graduating in Sept) then add to it that she finds out she was pregnant and just cant see it working.
One last thing I know that JC has NOT taken a poly from the PD (info from VERY reliable source. Inside) This begs the question if he didnt take it for the pd then why would he feel the need to take an independent one when no one asked him to? That is IF he ever really took one at all. If i took a poly i would want everyone to see the results to show that there may be some truth to some/everything he is saying but he has NEVER shown the PD or Media.

What are your thoughts now?
 
Just some information that i think should be known.

JC commented on his fb page after one of the searches that he hopes they find THEM.

One of Jc friends posted on his fb and called him papa... This post hassince been deleted

KM cousin said on KM dissapearence page that they had been fighting sat night at the festival because he spent 100.00 on raffel tickets

Post from JC fb page July 16: "all of my best friends dont know"

Aug 16 JC fb post: searching didnt go well i really miss her i really hope SOMEONE finds her. Is this him starting to feel guilty and is just hoping someone finds her where he put her?

Some other misc info: a comment made by a friend in june in reference to someone stealing a video game out of his car said "i have never seen you so pissed before" this post has too been deleted Also john says "they didnt even steal my gps just the game" has pd looked at his gps to check recent trips?

June 8th katelyn commented on JC fb page saing "we could stay in Kalamazoo MI the commented on same post and said "**** we could LIVE there" was this her way of expressing she did not want to move to Colorado?

On april 25, 2011 KM did NOT wish JC a happy birthday...they were not as happy all the time like everyone says.

I am kinda thinking maybe KM recently found out she was pregnant and thats why JC said "THEM" and that "even his best friends dont know" and if what KM cousin said was true that they were fighting at the festival because he spent 100.00 on raffel tickets may KM had enough and realized he was not going to change and start being more responsible. She decided she no longer wanted to be with him let alone move to Colorado with him. She prob broke it off with him that night and it through him in a fit of rage because he already feels worthless, working as a pizza driver he is not making enough money and she is far more motivated and responsible (working 2 jobs, interning, graduating in Sept) then add to it that she finds out she was pregnant and just cant see it working.
One last thing I know that JC has NOT taken a poly from the PD (info from VERY reliable source. Inside) This begs the question if he didnt take it for the pd then why would he feel the need to take an independent one when no one asked him to? That is IF he ever really took one at all. If i took a poly i would want everyone to see the results to show that there may be some truth to some/everything he is saying but he has NEVER shown the PD or Media.

What are your thoughts now?


I saw those posts as well and the thought had crossed my mind that Katelyn may indeed be pregnant! Then I saw a post from KM wanting to go out for sushi and I know that's a pregnant no-no so I dismissed the thought.

But you know what? Not everyone knows what you should/shouldn't be eating while pregnant.

And I believe there are some sushi's that are ok to eat while pregnant (california roll etc.)

so you may be on to something!!
 
I read all of those rumors stated in above post...not sure what to make of it...nothing to back any of it up now if his posts have been deleted. But often, the truth can be found someplace among the rumors of a case.

As far as taking multiple LD tests...I have never heard of anyone taking more than one test if they pass the first time...anyone??
 
I just saw in a clip of JC giving an interview describing Katelyn he was describing her in the present tense.

I wonder if Katelyn lived near an interstate?

I watched a case last night of killers who's victims lay in close proximity to freeways and interstates.

Within about 2 miles (but that is not unusual for this area - we have lots of highways running thru here!)
5214 Dorshire Drive - Google Maps
 
This plot thickens like Dickens.

(As far as I know, I just made up that saying. My English Lit profs would be proud, yo.

I just discovered some very significant info on the FB page of a friend of KM who worked with her. Again, this is information that law enforcement knows already, I'm sure. But we didn't know it and I think it's pretty startling.

1) This co-worker said that on Saturday the 13th, Katelyn worked a shift at David's Bridal until 7 pm.

Now we know what KM did during the day that Saturday, and that she was definitely seen by others besides JC, and that whatever happened to her could only have happened after 8pm or so on Saturday.

2) The co-worker said that on Sunday the 14th, Katelyn was a no-call no-show at work, and a cop called David's Bridal and said she was missing.

The co-worker posted this info that very same Sunday night; it was still the 14th. Assuming she is telling the truth about a cop calling, and I don't know why she wouldn't, the cop HAD to have called David's Bridal that same Sunday. He also had to call while employees of DB were still there, since they know why he was calling, and the place closes at 6 pm.

We know John Carter didn't call or visit David's Bridal, because according to his own story, he learned KM was missing when he went to her home at 7:00 or 7:30, and then he called 911 around 8:00. (A news story gives that time for the call.) If he'd contacted KM's workplace during work hours, then that's how he would have discovered something was wrong, instead of the story he always tells.

Therefore the cop's phone call to David's Bridal saying that KM was missing had to occur well before JC's 911 call reporting her missing!

In other words, JC was not the FIRST person to report KM missing and that is very, very interesting.

It's especially interesting because whoever reported her missing did NOT call JC and tell HIM she was missing.

Her fiance would be the logical person to tell first, but that did not happen. This makes me wonder if the person who reported her missing suspected JC of harming her, and told the cops so. Note that the cops didn't call JC either! They let him call them, hours later. Maybe they wanted to see how he'd handle the "discovery" of KM missing and what he'd say when he reported it.

I wonder not just who reported KM missing (Person X), but HOW they knew so early.

Possibilities:

1) Person X called David's Bridal directly when s/he couldn't reach KM via her cellphone, and was told KM was a no-call no-show, which was not like her.

and/or

2) KM was supposed to meet Person X on Sunday morning, maybe for breakfast before her noon shift, or possibly was supposed to go somewhere Saturday night but never showed. Her absence combined with her unreachability caused Person X to report her missing.

and/or

3) If Person X is her father or a friend who knew where she kept her spare key outside, maybe X went to her townhome and found what JC found later - Katelyn gone, but her car, purse, and keys still there.


Of these three possibilities, any could be true, or two could be true, or all three could be true, which is why I put "and/or" between them.

Then again, if Person X entered her townhome, I wonder why s/he left the dog locked in her bedroom where it could relieve itself and make a mess, if it already hadn't done so by then.

I suppose a demented stranger could also have taken Katelyn and then called to report her missing himself the next day, though I don't know why, or if such a thing happens often.

Now. Trying my hardest to give JC the benefit of the doubt in light of this new information, all I can come up with is that MAYBE his 911 call happened much earlier than the 8 pm reported in a news article. Let's say he called to report her missing at 5:30 or so, and let's say he somehow completely muddled the time, telling the reporter he'd gone to her townhome at 7 or 7:30 when he had really gone 2 hours earlier. This scenario would also make "She should be at work right now!" an accurate statement, instead of a bizarre one.

But no. You know what, it still doesn't work. Because if he reported her missing before 6 pm (in other words, making his 911 call the reason for the cop's call to DB, instead of Person X being the reason for it)... JC STILL didn't call or visit David's Bridal, which is just too bizarre.

"I can't find her anywhere," he told the dispatcher - but if he'd actually looked for her AT ALL during work hours, the first place he'd look is her workplace, where she was by all accounts supposed to be! And if he looked there and found her missing, once again, that violates his oft-repeated story of how he discovered her missing at her townhouse, not her workplace.
 
You know when you hear the adjectives used to describe Katelyn from both her father and JC, I just don't see her as being someone who would go easily if abducted by a random stranger without a lot of noise and a good fight. They describe her as...

Outspoken, Outgoing, Headstrong, Driven, Determined and Focused. Since it appears that something happened with her phone around 12:45am, it is possible that this happened during a struggle? And if so where?

I wonder how much info the neighbours in the townhome complex were able to provide to LE to help with JC's version of events. If he had been at her home watching television for a certain length of time, would they be able to verify that his car was there during those times? Would they have heard it start up when he was leaving? I wonder where he parked when he was at KM's? I find it strange that not one neighbour has come forward or has been pursued for an interview by local media. :waitasec:
 
Within about 2 miles (but that is not unusual for this area - we have lots of highways running thru here!)
5214 Dorshire Drive - Google Maps

her apartment is not "close" to a highway, I lived very close to where her apartment is and I moved to make my commute easier because 275 which is a pretty major highway is about 10 minutes from where she is
 
If JC had been at KM's apartment that evening and suggested they run out for ice cream, or something, there would be no sign of a struggle and she probably would have left her purse and keys there thinking they'd be right back. I've done that lots of times.

Maybe JC called her work posing as a police officer to notify them that she'd been reported missing so they wouldn't be calling around looking for her, thereby giving him more time to get his story straight. THEN he called and reported her missing to the acutal police. If her work thought she'd been reported missing, they wouldn't be trying to contact her family or friends in an attempt to locate her.

All JMO, of course, but my hinky meter is going off about JC.
 
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