OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #51

[Cool Cats]

She probably blames it all on AW for getting her son & grandsons into trouble. “They would never do this if not for her.” Jmoo

Yes. The Daughter -in- law always gets the shaft when assigning blame. So one time, possibly more, a buyer called Flying Farms and spoke to Angela who obviously was working for Fred.

The buyer asked the price of the horse she wanted to buy and Angela quoted a price. So soon after the buyer gets a phone call and it's from Fred! Fred said that Angie quoted the wrong price, that this was a prized more valuable horse and is selling for a higher amount than what she was quoted. The buyer could buy the horse but at the higher price.

So the buyer told Fred no way and ended the call. So a short time later Fred calls again and says she changed her mind, the buyer can have the horse at the original quoted lower price. So the buyer bought the horse.

Imagine Fred's rage towards Angela! How dare Angela quote a price without first consulting with her! I bet this is just one instance of stuff like this happening.

Fredericka Wagner/Flying W Farms arrested in Pike County, Ohio murders
"Huh. I bought Wonder Pony from them.

The possible drug stuff? Makes so much sense. Something definitely didn't seem right, but I ignored it.

On the day I was supposed to wire money, Fredericka called me and said Angela had quoted me the wrong price on the mare. Suddenly, Wonder Pony is 'one of the best horses' they'd ever bred and worth way more money.

Interesting. Then why weren't you taking better care of her?

Anyway. I told her no deal and walked. She called me back ASAP and said never mind, we'll take the original offer."

 

[Loomis124]

Yes it's interesting to think that all 4 trials will be identical. Can you imagine the witnesses being compelled to testify 4X's?
It's my opinion that Jake is going last so his attorneys can assess what happens in the other 3 trials. Going first is risky.

GW 4 seemed in a hurry for trial as his trial had been scheduled for Sep. 4th 2019.
I get the impression he is the most miserable. He is in a leaky jail that was under construction that was stopped when the contractors bailed, and it is still an over crowded mess.

He says on his facebook his son is his life. The best photo of George is with his son on his facebook. George is smiling and seems extremely happy being with his son. Point being that I have to agree with what Puzzles said : "GW4 has less skin in the game."

He had it all, even full custody of his son. Why did he risk it? My opinions only, but I think Anga-Billy convinced them that there was absolutely no way on earth that any of them could ever be caught. After all, how do you "catch" someone who leaves zero evidence at the crime scenes? You can't prove they were there, right?

They didn't understand circumstantial evidence. All what they did before and after.

Hey CC, but I look for the 4 cases to be entirely different from each other, except for how Judge Deering rules on these initial motions. I think after that, it will be every man for himself, based on the evidence for each one. These are definitely not cookie-cutter cases. All JMO

 

[Loomis124]

The trailer on Fred's property on Bethel Rd., unless of course they moved somewhere else before buying (Fred's) Peterson Rd. property for $1.00.

I say Fred because I don't believe the Wagners had the money or credit for that house and property.
They filed for bankruptcy and listed disability and food stamps as their income. Also, they listed their pile of debts they couldn't pay. (Not at the time of the Peterson Rd. purchase though).....2 Cents......

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Didnt one of the trailers at Bethel Hill Rd. burn down suspiciously? And also a car caught on for at that address ? Google is our friend. J M O

 

[Loomis124]

[QUOTE="Loomis124, post: 15537069, member: 236274"
Didnt one of the trailers at Bethel Hill Rd. burn down suspiciously? And also a car caught on for at that address ? Google is our friend. J M O[/QUOTE

Deleted. I shouldn't try to post when I'm sleepy!

 

[Cool Cats]

Hey CC, but I look for the 4 cases to be entirely different from each other, except for how Judge Deering rules on these initial motions. I think after that, it will be every man for himself, based on the evidence for each one. These are definitely not cookie-cutter cases. All JMO

But it's "cookie cutter" charges ! There would be different witnesses called in some cases, after all, they had different relationships. But I can't think of how they could do it different from each other? Yes, the lawyers will have their own ways but it's identical evidence except for the individual phones and computers.

After the first guilty verdict it will become more clear how the next one can be done differently but I don't think they can overcome the circumstantial evidence. Too much.
....2 Cents......

1.) Shopping at all those different Walmarts for what reason?
2.) Their devices intercepting oral, wire and electronic communication.
3.) Infilterating the family's facebooks
4.) Verbally fighting for custody which will be proved through witnesses:

"...Relatives of some of the victims describe the relationship differently. They said Jake Wagner and his dad argued and fought with the Rhodens in the weeks just prior to the killings.

Jake Wagner balked at that: “No, I did not go to Hanna’s home three weeks prior to April 22 and kick in the door demanding she sign over custody of Sophia..."
Rhoden family massacre: Arrests throw child custody issue back to Ohio courts

5.) Fake custody documents
6.) Caught in a web of lies
7.) Maglite (part to make a silencer) in Well.
8.) Boondock Saints, burnt VCR
9.) No alibi (means, opportunity)
10.) Look at all the witnesses called in Rita's case, 14 so far.
Tons of witnesses will be called for the Wagner 4. Junk/Canepa said they have to have lead detective Schreider (sp?) available to even do Rita's trial and they will need him in all the other trials. Just loads and loads of witnesses from all over, not just LE. Remember Schreider (sp?) was one of whom they threatened, he got under their skin.
11.) The actual forensics from the maglite and boot tread evidence.
12.) What they actually bought from Walmart aside from going to 5 different Walmart stores.
13.) Bood in Jakes truck? There was a search warrant issued for it.
14.) Using surveillance and counter surveillance devices.

Anyone think of anything else specific?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

PIKETON, Ohio
Two weeks since the murders of eight people in Pike County and the crime scene on Union Hill Road remains closed.

We're told that as early as next week the scene will be released, but Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk said when that happens the homes will be boarded up to prevent looting.

According to Junk, he does not believe the murders were the acts of one person.

That confirms what the father of victim Gary Rhoden, told 10TV late last week. Kenneth Rhoden said the coroner told him two different bullet casings were found at the scene.

Search warrants at the four crimes scenes are expected to be returned next week, but Junk said those will be sealed to prevent evidence from being released to the public that could harm the investigation.


Pike County murder investigation continues; fundraisers for victims begin

 

[Johnny B Bad]

realrhodenpodcast

• May 16
• 
  
• 1 min

is Billy Wagner Killer Mastermind of Hannah Hazel Gilley and the Rhoden family?
Billy Wagoner is seen here standing to leave the courtroom today after his short pretrial. He glances at the back of the room to acknowledge someone with probably the only kind of smile we will see out of this guy. He is the alleged Mastermind and family annihilator of the seven members of the Rhoden family and Hannah Hazel Gilley. He is also rumored to be associated with Militia and White Supremacy. The scorpion tattoo on his right hand near his trigger finger is said to signify the 8 victims that Billy and his family methodically planned to have executed over three years ago.


Justice for Hannah Hazel Gilley and the Rhoden's is coming!

https://www.realmassacretalk.com/po...-of-hannah-hazel-gilley-and-the-rhoden-family

 

[Cool Cats]

STATE OF OHIO -vs- WAGNER, IV, GEORGE WASHINGTON

10/30/2019 MOTION NO 54: DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR AN ORDER REQUIRING ACCESS TO THE DEFENDANT BY NON-LAWYER PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS OF DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE TEAM FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

10/30/2019 ORDER REGARDING ACCESS TO THE JAIL BY NON-LAWYER PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS OF DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE TEAM--THE ROSS COUNTY SHERIFF AND HIS EMPLOYESS AND AGENTS MUST PERMIT NON-LAYER, PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS OF DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE TEAM, WHO ARE ACTING AGENTS FOR DEFENSE COUNSEL, TO VISIT DEFENDANT IN A PRIVATE AND PRIVILEGED FACE-TO-FACE SETTING, SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT THESE TEAM MEMBERS COMPLLY WITH THE APPLICABLE SECURITY REGULATIONS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SHOWING SATISFACTORY IDENTIFICATION AND SUBMITTING TO APPROPRIATE SECURITY MEASURES FOR GAINING ENTRANCE TO THE JAIL.

THE NON-LAWYER AGENTS FOR DEFENSE COUNSEL WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO MEET WITH DEFENDANT PURSUANT TO THIS ORDER ARE LINDA RICHTER, CONSULTING MITIGATION EXPERT, AND INVESTIGATOR, KATHRYN KOCH. FILED AND MALED COPIES CDB

 

[Puzzles8]

STATE OF OHIO -vs- WAGNER, IV, GEORGE WASHINGTON

10/30/2019 MOTION NO 54: DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR AN ORDER REQUIRING ACCESS TO THE DEFENDANT BY NON-LAWYER PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS OF DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE TEAM FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

10/30/2019 ORDER REGARDING ACCESS TO THE JAIL BY NON-LAWYER PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS OF DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE TEAM--THE ROSS COUNTY SHERIFF AND HIS EMPLOYESS AND AGENTS MUST PERMIT NON-LAYER, PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS OF DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE TEAM, WHO ARE ACTING AGENTS FOR DEFENSE COUNSEL, TO VISIT DEFENDANT IN A PRIVATE AND PRIVILEGED FACE-TO-FACE SETTING, SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT THESE TEAM MEMBERS COMPLLY WITH THE APPLICABLE SECURITY REGULATIONS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SHOWING SATISFACTORY IDENTIFICATION AND SUBMITTING TO APPROPRIATE SECURITY MEASURES FOR GAINING ENTRANCE TO THE JAIL.

THE NON-LAWYER AGENTS FOR DEFENSE COUNSEL WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO MEET WITH DEFENDANT PURSUANT TO THIS ORDER ARE LINDA RICHTER, CONSULTING MITIGATION EXPERT, AND INVESTIGATOR, KATHRYN KOCH. FILED AND MALED COPIES CDB

Interesting, I looked up Linda Richter and her expertise is pretty specialized. I'm assuming this is the same LR that has been called in by the defense team.

"Applied social and public health research into the effects of adversity on children and families is the major focus of Professor Linda Richter’s work, particularly with regard to early child development and the role of men and fathers in child development."

I'm speculating they are angling at Billy's influence on IV's childhood.

https://www.nrf.ac.za/content/professor-linda-richter

 

[Betty P]

STATE OF OHIO -vs- WAGNER, IV, GEORGE WASHINGTON

10/30/2019 MOTION NO 54: DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR AN ORDER REQUIRING ACCESS TO THE DEFENDANT BY NON-LAWYER PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS OF DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE TEAM FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

10/30/2019 ORDER REGARDING ACCESS TO THE JAIL BY NON-LAWYER PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS OF DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE TEAM--THE ROSS COUNTY SHERIFF AND HIS EMPLOYESS AND AGENTS MUST PERMIT NON-LAYER, PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS OF DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE TEAM, WHO ARE ACTING AGENTS FOR DEFENSE COUNSEL, TO VISIT DEFENDANT IN A PRIVATE AND PRIVILEGED FACE-TO-FACE SETTING, SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT THESE TEAM MEMBERS COMPLLY WITH THE APPLICABLE SECURITY REGULATIONS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SHOWING SATISFACTORY IDENTIFICATION AND SUBMITTING TO APPROPRIATE SECURITY MEASURES FOR GAINING ENTRANCE TO THE JAIL.

THE NON-LAWYER AGENTS FOR DEFENSE COUNSEL WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO MEET WITH DEFENDANT PURSUANT TO THIS ORDER ARE LINDA RICHTER, CONSULTING MITIGATION EXPERT, AND INVESTIGATOR, KATHRYN KOCH. FILED AND MALED COPIES CDB

These are the standard motions filed by defense attorneys to prevent their clients from being victims of "snitches" while in jail. It prevents jail employees, etc. from setting up defendants by luring them into conversations, trying to trick them into saying something incriminating.

Most of the other defendants' attorneys have already filed this motion (including JW). Not sure why GW4's attorney is just now getting around to it. Sometimes I wonder if the timing of the filing of motions is done to keep delaying the trial date for the defendant. They could be doing these delays for any number of reasons, perhaps trying to position their client to be the last trial of all the defendants.

 

[Betty P]

Interesting, I looked up Linda Richter and her expertise is pretty specialized. I'm assuming this is the same LR that has been called in by the defense team.

"Applied social and public health research into the effects of adversity on children and families is the major focus of Professor Linda Richter’s work, particularly with regard to early child development and the role of men and fathers in child development."

I'm speculating they are angling at Billy's influence on IV's childhood.

https://www.nrf.ac.za/content/professor-linda-richter

Maybe they're helping GW4 prepare his defense that he was forced to participate in the murders by his dysfunctional family. Perhaps this expert will try to convince the jury that the Wagners are an "enmeshed" family and the psychological pressure on GW4 to not betray his family was strong. JMO, but I don't think this is much related to GW4's relationship with his own child.

 

[Cool Cats]

Interesting, I looked up Linda Richter and her expertise is pretty specialized. I'm assuming this is the same LR that has been called in by the defense team.

"Applied social and public health research into the effects of adversity on children and families is the major focus of Professor Linda Richter’s work, particularly with regard to early child development and the role of men and fathers in child development."

I'm speculating they are angling at Billy's influence on IV's childhood.

https://www.nrf.ac.za/content/professor-linda-richter

2 Cents...
Well your right because what's going on here is that Linda Richter is a mitigation specialist, scary stuff-- to me anyway. Why? BECAUSE THEY TRY TO KEEP THE CONVICTED FROM RECEIVING THE DEATH PENALTY.

The mitigation specialist often plays an important role as well in maintaining close contact with the client and his family while the case is pending. The rapport developed in this process can be the key to persuading a client to accept a plea to a sentence less than death.

Perhaps most critically, having a qualified mitigation specialist assigned to every capital case as an integral part of the defense team ensures that the presentation to be made at the penalty phase is integrated into the overall preparation of the case rather than being hurriedly thrown together by defense counsel still in shock at the guilty verdict.

What Does A Mitigation Specialist Do? | Mitigation Consulting

Working with defense counsel and/or Public Defender Services, the mitigation specialist is accountable for the independent preparation and presentation of mitigation evidence in the penalty phase of a Capital case.

Mitigation for Criminal Defense – Preferred Solutions Inc.

 

[Cool Cats]

These are the standard motions filed by defense attorneys to prevent their clients from being victims of "snitches" while in jail. It prevents jail employees, etc. from setting up defendants by luring them into conversations, trying to trick them into saying something incriminating.

Most of the other defendants' attorneys have already filed this motion (including JW). Not sure why GW4's attorney is just now getting around to it. Sometimes I wonder if the timing of the filing of motions is done to keep delaying the trial date for the defendant. They could be doing these delays for any number of reasons, perhaps trying to position their client to be the last trial of all the defendants.

Hey Betty! I think your talking about a different Motion, this Motion:

DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO RESTRAIN CERTAIN PARTIES FROM DISCUSSING THE CASE WITH ACCUSED FILED

What's going on with this new motion-- Motion for an order requiring access to the defendant by non-lawyer professional members of defendant's defense team-- is that GW4 has an investigator and a mitigation specialist that need to come and talk to him in person. Because they are technically non-lawyers they need to go through the "court red tape" to be cleared to talk to George.

 

[Cool Cats]

D- posted twice

 

[Loomis124]

845 Bethel Hill Rd, Lucasville OH - fire incidents

Bethel Hill Rd, Lucasville OH 45648 | Homemetry property directory

 

[Loomis124]

Interesting, I looked up Linda Richter and her expertise is pretty specialized. I'm assuming this is the same LR that has been called in by the defense team.

"Applied social and public health research into the effects of adversity on children and families is the major focus of Professor Linda Richter’s work, particularly with regard to early child development and the role of men and fathers in child development."

I'm speculating they are angling at Billy's influence on IV's childhood.

https://www.nrf.ac.za/content/professor-linda-richter

I agree. However, IMO, these defendants are going to do or say anything possible to get off!

 

[Betty P]

Hey Betty! I think your talking about a different Motion, this Motion:

DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO RESTRAIN CERTAIN PARTIES FROM DISCUSSING THE CASE WITH ACCUSED FILED

What's going on with this new motion-- Motion for an order requiring access to the defendant by non-lawyer professional members of defendant's defense team-- is that GW4 has an investigator and a mitigation specialist that need to come and talk to him in person. Because they are technically non-lawyers they need to go through the "court red tape" to be cleared to talk to George.

The motion seems to deal with the same subject matter. Perhaps they're updating to add some names to the list of people who are allowed to talk to him in jail.

 

[Fletcher73]

First time I saw this article, hadn't heard this quote from Fred before:

George Wagner trial postponed, grandmother stands by him

“George is innocent. My whole family is innocent. That’s all I have to say. It will all come out eventually,” Fredericka Wagner said after the hearing. “He’s lost a lot of weight. But he’s strong and he’s got a strong faith in God. So have I and so did Jacob. Our whole family and we just believe, I know Christ is with him. The boys are hanging on to Jesus and that’s what we’re going to keep on doing.”

What struck me when I first read that article was how FW defended her grandsons but didn't mention BW and AW.
jmo/moo

 

[Betty P]

845 Bethel Hill Rd, Lucasville OH - fire incidents

Bethel Hill Rd, Lucasville OH 45648 | Homemetry property directory

I just looked up some other properties at that web site and found some of the information is inaccurate. For our house, it listed my kids as the homeowners. Phone numbers were wrong, etc. It does look like they have residents and former residents fairly accurate, but that's publicly available information. I'd take most of the information there with a grain of salt.

 

[Fletcher73]

Yes, very odd. Instead of saying "they" she includes herself with "us." Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but something seems off. Can't put my finger on it.

"Consciousness of guilt." JMO/MOO