GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #67

[Cool Cats]

the benefit of wealth, most inmates wouldn't be able to make many phone calls, but all 4 Wagners will always be able to make unlimited phone calls as they have the funds, I bet they also have plenty of cash put in their accounts to use in the commissary,

it is a good job they come from wealth as their family has to provide for 4 inmates not just 1, and it will have to continue for the rest of their lives,

Note that it shows George and Billy made phone calls into June 2021.

What that means is that they had someone paying for their phone calls after Jake's confession.

Note Jake has made alot less phone calls and so I wonder if FW stopped funding his phone calls after his confession? Apparently the phone calls are still being funded for Billy and George but I wouldn't bet on FW even taking any calls from Angie or Jake.

I could give several examples of FW telling the media her family is innocent, Jake had nothing to do with it, none of them were anywhere near there that night, they will find zero zilch on her property, etc...

Now he and Angie humiliated her. Why would she want to financially support their calls? Just a thought.

Canepa said in court after Billy's preliminary hearing that RW could visit/talk to Billy and that she and Billy are close so I think RW pays for his calls and video chats, not just FW.

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[Covert Operative]

face to face is still available, not sure if the Wagners have face to face visits by family, they will have with their lawyers, and video calling is common in most prisons, and like phone calls they are recorded, the state is going to use some of the phone calls the family made to each other and to others outside jail at trial

I do wonder if any of them would be allowed to see each other post conviction, I know they will be angry about the proffers but they were a very close family, some have said cult like, and maybe BW and AW would request a visit to see each other when the trials are all over and the dust settles,

We know from the motion on 6-14-21 that was filed by AW defense that she had asked specifically to be allowed phone calls with FW, CN, RH, RW. The motion was after JW confession but before AW's confession so I do believe FW has a relationship with AW and all of them, still. I do believe FW funds their phone and commissary, if not directly, she finds a way to do so.

 

[Betty P]

We know from the motion on 6-14-21 that was filed by AW defense that she had asked specifically to be allowed phone calls with FW, CN, RH, RW. The motion was after JW confession but before AW's confession so I do believe FW has a relationship with AW and all of them, still. I do believe FW funds their phone and commissary, if not directly, she finds a way to do so.

I agree. A clan is a clan. They stick together for better or worse.

 

[Cool Cats]

I agree. A clan is a clan. They stick together for better or worse.

If a clan is a clan no wonder Billy and George won't admit guilt. They have to think about FWF.

Jake committed the unforgivable sin and ruined FWF's reputation by admitting guilt and testifying against his family - going against his family.

I can't picture FW communicating with him anymore other than for damage control, like trying to find out from him what he is going to say against her "favorite" George and trying to mitigate that.

He basically ruined the reputation she built for 40 years, look on the horse sites, and from what she herself said.

Angie encouraged him, that can't be lost on her. I can't imagine her having anything to do now with her either other than to find out information.

Billy has to stay loyal for FWF, he has to keep saying he's innocent and blame it all on Jake and Angela or how will mom feel about him?

She said if they were guilty she would not "take up for them."

 

[Betty P]

I can't picture FW communicating with him anymore other than for damage control, like trying to find out from him what he is going to say against her "favorite" George and trying to mitigate that.

He basically ruined the reputation she built for 40 years, look on the horse sites, and from what she herself said.

From what I've seen, the reputation was "mixed" at best. Some of the more controversial aspects may come out at trial.

I doubt she's as mad at them for killing the Rhodens and Hannah Gilley, she's probably more upset they were caught. That's JMO, only. Perhaps she communicates in order to stay updated on the remaining cases.

She is probably very focused on keeping FWF solvent and in the family.

 

[Cool Cats]

From what I've seen, the reputation was "mixed" at best. Some of the more controversial aspects may come out at trial.

I doubt she's as mad at them for killing the Rhodens and Hannah Gilley, she's probably more upset they were caught. That's JMO, only. Perhaps she communicates in order to stay updated on the remaining cases.

She is probably very focused on keeping FWF solvent and in the family.

That's what I said, it is all about the FWF reputation. People on horse sites were shocked about the murders but yes it was "mixed" reviews regarding her business practices and horse care.

And yes I think if she even communicates with the traitor in her family Jake, then it's to get information. Mitigation probably isn't even possible at this point.

Jake is the traitor because he used murder to "solve" the problems in his life, got his family involved, got caught and turned on his family by testifying against them.

 

[Cool Cats]

Been a long time.

Anyone remember where they were and how they found out about the arrests?

My son came into the room where I was and said he heard the Wagners were arrested. I then read online that Angela didn't want to change into her jail clothes and didn't think she should be there but they convinced her to do so. Big shock to her system I think. Opinion only.

I wasn't on Websleuths at that time. When I did come on WS I looked back to see people's reactions.

Starts Here - November 13, 2018

OH - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #34 *Arrests*

First Post About It:

Could it be??

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BREAKING: Four people arrested in Pike County murders investigation. More to come.

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[StrangeOne]

Another problem for the Wagners is the escape conversations. It's now in the court record that the Wagners were planning to break each other out of jail. They might be flagged in the prison system as escape risks which means they get maximum security.

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It really blows my mind the W's could sit down and plan a murder but not think about being traced. It's evident they thought they had all their bases covered. I am thankful for their lack of intelligence in how LE works or science for that matter.

 

[Cool Cats]

It really blows my mind the W's could sit down and plan a murder but not think about being traced. It's evident they thought they had all their bases covered. I am thankful for their lack of intelligence in how LE works or science for that matter.

It really blows my mind they talked in front of a female witness who I think was Jake's wife. I was sure the confidential reliable source was a wiretap because I didn't think they would talk in front of anyone.

For that matter I can't believe they talked in front of FW.

Their lack of intelligence in how LE works and science works is what got them caught I agree. A whole long list of mistakes from weeks before that night and at the crime scenes that night and from weeks after that night.

So many mistakes Jake knew he'd be found guilty so he had to plea to save himself from getting the DP.

 

[joe jones]

It really blows my mind they talked in front of a female witness who I think was Jake's wife. I was sure the confidential reliable source was a wiretap because I didn't think they would talk in front of anyone.BW

For that matter I can't believe they talked in front of FW.

Their lack of intelligence in how LE works and science works is what got them caught I agree. A whole long list of mistakes from weeks before that night and at the crime scenes that night and from weeks after that night.

So many mistakes Jake knew he'd be found guilty so he had to plea to save himself from getting the DP.

they may have believed that because of the marriage spousal privilege applied, BW and AW may have thought the same,

 

[Dudly]

they may have believed that because of the marriage spousal privilege applied, BW and AW may have thought the same,

Or, they were sure nothing would be told outside their circle. But, not everyone thinks like they do…

 

[Chelly]

Need a memory refresher: Is Robin Wagner FW's sister or daughter

 

[Cool Cats]

I thought FW has a sister who lives with her. Wasn't it originally believed FW's sister overheard the incriminating conversations?

Need a memory refresher: Is Robin Wagner FW's sister or daughter

RW is Billy's older sister of whom he is close to according to Canepa. Canepa said they are close and that RW can visit/talk to Billy. She said this in court after Billy's Bond Hearing/Preliminary Hearing.

Nothing was mentioned of RW overhearing conversations. Just FW and the female witness who is the confidential reliable source. I believe EW, Jake's ex, is the confidential reliable source. Fits the timeline. She fled and filed a police report against him in August 2018. Report is part of Discovery.

 

[Chelly]

RW is Billy's older sister of whom he is close to according to Canepa. Canepa said they are close and that RW can visit/talk to Billy. She said this in court after Billy's Bond Hearing/Preliminary Hearing.

Nothing was mentioned of RW overhearing conversations. Just FW and the female witness who is the confidential reliable source. I believe EW, Jake's ex, is the confidential reliable source. Fits the timeline. She fled and filed a police report against him in August 2018. Report is part of Discovery.

Thanks @Cool Cats for the refresher. Way, way back, when there was no discussion of Jake's ex, we learned from LE there was a CI. My theory at that time was that RW was providing details to LE, and maybe even consented to be wired. Certainly, progress has been made and we now know more about JW's ex.

 

[Antimony]

What would Tony Soprano do if one of his family humiliated him?

 

[Cool Cats]

Thanks @Cool Cats for the refresher. Way, way back, when there was no discussion of Jake's ex, we learned from LE there was a CI. My theory at that time was that RW was providing details to LE, and maybe even consented to be wired. Certainly, progress has been made and we now know more about JW's ex.

A local sent me Jake and Elizabeth's marriage application which was taken out in Alaska in January 2018 and then sent me the police report she filed in August 2018 for harassment and identity theft stating she was homeless.
So I know she was with the Wagners when they returned from Alaska in late spring 2018. The police report, called an Ohio Uniform Incident Report, is listed in Discovery.

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[Covert Operative]

Thanks @Cool Cats for the refresher. Way, way back, when there was no discussion of Jake's ex, we learned from LE there was a CI. My theory at that time was that RW was providing details to LE, and maybe even consented to be wired. Certainly, progress has been made and we now know more about JW's ex.

The report was filed on 8-15-2018. The time frame she filed for the threats, harrassment and identify fraud were from 4-1-2018 through 7-1-2018. I believe they got married on March 24th and I thought in Alaska, so marital bliss certainly did not last long it seems.

I had also thought that they moved back before March or April but maybe they did not. It is possible that all of them did not come back at the same time. The marriage application that I obtained was done in Alaska, that does not mean they got married in Alaska but I thought they had. I had also obtained the incident report that she filed.

If they did not move back to Ohio til late spring then I am not sure she could file for incidents that happened in April if they did not live in Ohio. It may depend on the crime. I am not positive of that and maybe Apri 1 is considered late spring in Ohio. I believe it was said in the bond hearing that they moved back in early spring, not sure what early spring is considered either. I would have to listen to it again to refresh my memory if that is what they said. I guess it all depends on what is considered early and late spring. I know that AW registered in South Webster to vote 5-21-2018.
George Wagner age 30 registered to vote in Oak Hill, Ohio 4-21-18.

 

[Cool Cats]

The report was filed on 8-15-2018. The time frame she filed for the threats, harrassment and identify fraud were from 4-1-2018 through 7-1-2018. I believe they got married on March 24th and I thought in Alaska, so marital bliss certainly did not last long it seems.

I had also thought that they moved back before March or April but maybe they did not. It is possible that all of them did not come back at the same time. The marriage application that I obtained was done in Alaska, that does not mean they got married in Alaska but I thought they had. I had also obtained the incident report that she filed.

They came back in late spring of 2018 around May. When they were arrested in November 2018, the local gas station owner placed them in her place of business over the past 6 months. There was an article somewhere also, that mentioned late spring.

The Wagners settled in South Webster, population 860, about six months ago, said Pirul Patel, the owner of the local Sunoco station. For all appearances, their life was normal. Regularly, Patel said, they came to her store for gasoline, Subway sandwiches, and cigarettes.

When she learned about the arrests from Wednesday morning’s local newspaper, Patel said she was shocked.

“That scared me because I see them all the time,” she said. “I can’t believe that would happen.”

Pike County murders: 8 deaths, multiple arrests tied to one key factor — child custody

 

[Betty P]

state has accepted his proffer with his contradictions, and they alone get to decide if JW has lived up to his bargain with the state, defence obviously seeing the contradictions in JW proffer think they can do a vigorous cross examination challenging his version of events

if they go to trial with the DP being either removed or reinstated by what JW says then IMO they are hampered in how they cross examine him, if they are able to get him to make statements that deviate from the proffer then JW will not have adhered to his bargain with the state and the DP gets reinstated as a possible penalty for the 4, I doubt any defence attorney would want to be responsible for moving his clients possible penalty from LWOP to DP,

I don't think it is fair that the defence are limited in how they defend GW the younger due to the way the DP can be reinstated,

I'm not seeing how that hampers the defense.

If his attorney is worried about GW4 getting the DP, why not just contact the prosecution and arrange for a plea deal with LWOP?

Most suspects in multiple murder cases where the prosecution has all the evidence they need don't usually get such a good deal. What's wrong with not taking risks and settling for LWOP?

 

[Covert Operative]

The report was filed on 8-15-2018. The time frame she filed for the threats, harrassment and identify fraud were from 4-1-2018 through 7-1-2018. I believe they got married on March 24th and I thought in Alaska, so marital bliss certainly did not last long it seems.

I had also thought that they moved back before March or April but maybe they did not. It is possible that all of them did not come back at the same time. The marriage application that I obtained was done in Alaska, that does not mean they got married in Alaska but I thought they had. I had also obtained the incident report that she filed.

If they did not move back to Ohio til late spring then I am not sure she could file for incidents that happened in April if they did not live in Ohio. It may depend on the crime. I am not positive of that and maybe Apri 1 is considered late spring in Ohio. I believe it was said in the bond hearing that they moved back in early spring, not sure what early spring is considered either. I would have to listen to it again to refresh my memory if that is what they said. I guess it all depends on what is considered early and late spring. I know that AW registered in South Webster to vote 5-21-2018.
George Wagner age 30 registered to vote in Oak Hill, Ohio 4-21-18.

That is Jackson county, Ohio.