Bingo. I think the elder Wagner family was just as “enmeshed” as the Peterson Rd. Wagners. Fredericka ran her ship a little differently than Angela, but it was probably the same most ways. Family loyalty was paramount. Outsiders were chosen carefully to be part of the group and their activities closely monitored and controlled.
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IMHO-his name is really Bovine; that what it sounds like they are saying to me. It makes since to me with the Wagners having lived on a farm. ETA-However, I didn't know about Tabitha's FB posts about George's favorite game, so I'm probably hearing it wrong. My apologies.I know the press gets things wrong but it was originally printed as Bovine in several articles
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He was probably helping out some with running the farm, too. He may have also liked being back in his own room, with lots of space. IIRC from some photos of the bullet proof vests during one of the raids, it looked like he had a new, recently remodeled spa-type bathroom. Things were probably quieter and roomier at FWF.
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His idea or maybe Angie, through her attorneys, told whoever brought his clothes to the courthouse what she likes seeing him wear. Someone had to find out where their clothes are, gain access, then pick something out. I assume family members. Someone has to be in charge of their vehicles, property, animals, yard work, upkeep, Bank accounts, mail, packages, bills etc....
When there isn't any family or close friend available the attorneys can get someone appointed through the court.
Here is a photo of him dressed up on his Facebook:
George Wagner updated his profile picture - September 11th, 2018
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Jmo I felt extremely sorry for T for what she went through as a child, however the state still didn’t prove George was there or planned the murders through her testimony. The state had me believing the family control until the cross. T didn’t have a chance as a child. The state once again showed Angela as the weirdo. T provided the answer as to why her family was not allowed around. My opinion who could trust T mother around any child. But same can be said about Angela who could trust her around their child. A person never knows what sick individuals are walking amongst them.
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,......and apparently, if believed, they were devoted fundamental Baptist. Except, it doesn't appear AW adhered to the submit to husband as head of household bit, as well as, many other bible references. I wonder if she wore pants?
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Yes. And she wore the pants in her marriage so to speak.
JMO, his grandmother Fredericka and his aunt are probably helping with those things. They probably do the same for Billy.
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Today's testimony established the foundation for the control of the wives of the younger Wagners. It established physical abuse against TC. It established the Wagners as a group moving to paint TC as dangerous and crazy, which both made it harder for TC to assert that she was abused, and to show that she believed Angela was going to shoot her. It showed that they were willing to separate a young mother from her child. They've established the Facebook messages between TC and Hanna and that no one had permission to read her messages. None of this is normal.
What I took from the testimony is that TC was smart not to take her son to the house where she was abused but George took advantage of that to cut her off altogether. This was testimony about a girl in her teens and very early 20s who had no family support growing up, as a young wife and mother, and as a young woman trying to get custody of her son back. I'm absolutely convinced that TC was in George's bed at age 11 because Angela KNEW she could isolate and dominate her and acted out when it turned out TC would fight back. That's pretty much the same pattern the Wags followed with Hanna. Take a look at the photo of a near-adult Jake and a very very young teen Hanna at the prom or some other dance. She was 13 when he started dating her (he was 18) and 15 when he got her pregnant and got her under the control of his family. And look what happened when she got away from them.
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Is having sex with underage girls a "devoted fundamentalist Baptist" belief? That seems doubtful--it's more like cult behavior.
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Not that I'm aware. They are evil with warped behavior. I personally believe they hid behind religion to make themselves look innocent. I don't know. It appears they abused young girls to produce offspring because AW said so. It also appears both JW and 4 were abusive, and most likely taught by pops. Imo
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But strangely, it appears all conversations evolved around a kitchen table.
Even FW's lone video interview with the Cleveland Plain Dealer happened around her kitchen table.
All for one, one for all - Conspiracy.
IMO, that will be the charge that takes G4 down
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Why did JW want custody of KR when he knew that he wasn't the father?
I think everything revolves around AW and I am very disgusted that the state gave her a deal.
Why did AW want these young kids? Was she collecting kids for some sick reason. There had to be money made or something in it for her.
AW getting in bed with her sons just screams SA to me.
TC is a hero for standing up to this clan and testifying on camera.
I think everything revolves around AW and I am very disgusted that the state gave her a deal.
Why did AW want these young kids? Was she collecting kids for some sick reason. There had to be money made or something in it for her.
AW getting in bed with her sons just screams SA to me.
TC is a hero for standing up to this clan and testifying on camera.
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For Tuesday, Oct. 4th:
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PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Nash asks if she gave George her cellphone and passwords to her social media as a way to ease his mind about her faithfulness after the affair.
She says yes. Says she made a new FB account after she left George - she testified earlier she gave no one access.
Nash is really drilling down on Claytor's testimony that George paid a fine for her and the domestic violence charges were dropped.
She is unclear on details of this - says she went to Adams Co. to pay a fine. "I'm not the smartest person in the world."
Nash pushes on why Claytor signed the custody document that was restrictive.
She again says she's not sure, didn't ask much, "I'm a blonde."
Tabitha says George told her once she got her own place and a job, they would do 50-50 parenting.
She says she did not speak up and oppose anything in court when custody was discussed.
Nash tries to imply that the Xanax drugging of Tabitha's baby girl could have been from her mom, not Angela.
Nash asks if George offered to fly Tabitha up to Alaska to see Bulvine after his family moved there.
She says yes, but she declined "because I didn't feel like dying."
Tabitha says George told her once she got her own place and a job, they would do 50-50 parenting.
She says she did not speak up and oppose anything in court when custody was discussed.
link: https://twitter.com/evanmillward
AC did start re-direct but no tweets on that.
But found this. Might be repeat tweets.
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New afternoon thread for George Wagner IV trial from Pike County. His ex-wife Tabitha Claytor back on the stand for more direct testimony about her Facebook message with Hanna Rhoden
Giving her advice on how to get custody of Sophia from Jake. Saying George tricked her in the custody papers.
Hanna wrote - I am not falling for their tricks. When Jake choked me, George brought up when I was raped.
Hanna asking about papers now and what Tabitha signed.
Correction from previous tweets - the fight and her leaving the house occurred in November 2014.
Hanna wrote Tabitha in just days before the murders that Jake wanted to take custody of her soon-to-be born daughter Kylie. But the two women said they wanted no part of that.
There are messages between the two just days before the murders. Tabitha complaining about going to the house and Angela and her son not being there as previously planned.
Correction - not at house but at a swap meet. They were supposed to meet there.
Another message just after Hanna had her daughter Kylie. Just a day or two before the murders - again prosecutors asking about whether these were private and no one else had permission to see them.
Tabitha says in a message George wanted her back and was willing to wait. Says it brought up feelings but says she would only consider it if George moved out and they got their own place. But she loved her current husband.
That Facebook conversation took place on April 21, 2016 ... the actual day of the murders.
Recounting the night of the fight on FB with Hanna - says things would be much different if she had been able to go outside for 5 minutes and calm down. Says she and George probably would still be married.
Those Facebook messages were about the controlling nature of the Wagners, the violence and the two women's efforts to get custody of their kids .
One of those messages indicated Hanna Rhoden felt threatened if she ever left Jake Wagner - of course Hanna wound up being killed with the rest of her family.
Now moving on from FB messages. Tabitha says George always took the side of his mother whenever there was a dispute.
When she got to the gas station that night, George Jake Angela Billy and Hanna Rhoden were in the car waiting for her. This is when she was accused of dragging her son by his legs. Done with direct examination.
Done with direct examination - onto cross examination. Richard Nash handling questioning for the defense.
Tabitha says she was homeschooled until her junior year - Angela Wagner helped teach her. Says she spent time there and technically lived there when she was 11.
Slept in the same bed as George when she was 11.
Moved out after George broke up with her when she was 11. A year later they dated again for a week or two. Then were apart for six years.
Took a trip to Florida in 2011 when George proposed to her. She graduated in 2012 and they got married afterward.
Says she was free to leave for a little while.
Went to her best friends house Whitney a lot - spent the night. Had an affair with Whitney's father Jay. 25-30 years older than her at the time.
Asked she gave her phone and passwords as a sign that she was faithful - and she said yes. But later created a different facebook account.
Tabitha says she and her sisters were sexually abused by her stepfather Dave, who remained married to her mother until he died 5 years ago.
Another family meeting later about Dave when it was discussed to turn him in - George was there. But her mother asked them not to, she would have gotten into trouble. George didn't want his son around them because perpetrator and enabler - Tabitha agrees.
Later said George found her in bathroom when she was cutting her wrists. He was going to take her away but Angela came home and so they returned to the house.
Tabitha says restrictions were there because she told George she couldn't be faithful.
Also says she didn't get help after suicide attempt - and that George and Angela wanted her to go back on Zoloft for depression and bipolar disorder. But she didn't want to saying it wouldn't end well.
Tabitha says the fight in the kitchen the night she left started as horseplay with the belt. But says it got worse. Would not characterize it as assault.
Tabitha says she went to Adams County for some purpose to pay a fine. Says she didn't know the building or the reason. Believed the domestic abuse charges filed by George were dropped. Says she was not the smartest person in the world.
Her mother told her that she should not worry about her son Bulvine and instead worry about Jay - the man she had the affair with.
Asked why she signed that restrictive custody agreement - says she doesn't know not very smart - she's a blonde. Also agrees that Bulvine was safer at the time with the Wagners than at her house.
George drove her to and from the child care class they had to take before the divorce could go through. Said they were getting along "for the most part" after all what happened.
Tabitha says she voluntarily signed the agreement. And that she said in court she was seeing Bulvine as much as she wanted when the divorce was finalized. Also she never spoke up to say there was anything she opposed.
Defense now trying intimate Tabitha's baby girl got the Xanax from her mother, not while at the Wagners'. Also trying to show that Tabitha had incidents as a mother - that she made her son put his hand on hot food and that he fell at a picnic table.
Tabitha says the Wagners told her they were planning on visiting Alaska to "check it out" but never that they were moving there. Said she declined George's offer to fly up there - "because I didn't feel like dying."
Done with cross - a 15 minute break then on to re-direct.
Says she was 11-12 when she first started sleeping in his bed - George was 15. Says Angela encouraged it to help console him because he was upset at the time.
Got DNA test about her son's paternity. Tabitha says Angela told George he was his father because he looked so much like him.
Tabitha says she agreed Bulvine should stay with Wagners to avoid her former abusive household - but only until she found a place and could take care of him separately.
Said George told her that divorce agreement was temporary and that she took him at his word. Even though it wasn't in writing. And once divorce became official, she couldn't see him anymore until that Christmas visit.
Claytor now going over the 12 page exhibit - transcript of of the actual divorce proceedings.
Said never went over details in court when divorce finalized, and later told BCI agents she felt tricked the agreement was supposed to be temporary and George was supposed to go to 50/50 custody.
Tabitha says she had mixed feelings about George, but that she also still loved her mother even though she didn't protect her from abuse.
Still believes that George dropped the charges of abuse after the fight in 2014. She still doesn't understand why she had to pay a fine (George gave her the money).
Said they told her they were only going to Alaska to check it out. Never told her when they moved. Also explained her dying quote about going to Alaska. Says this was after the murders and the Wagners were named as person of interest - and she was afraid of what Wagners.
Says she does not know who called the cops on her when she was pulled over, and that she doesn't know that the Wagners put drugs into her daughter's system. Also said she left Wagners at 3:30ish and only 3-4 hours later is when her daughter was ill at hospital.
Was interviewed about 5 times by BCI, and cooperated and talked to them.
Angela's instruction about the kinds of sexual activity Tabitha and George could have came after they were married .
Last question - you had decided not to stay after George hit you? Tabitha: yes. Now done with re-direct. Waiting to see if more cross.
More cross. Nash asks again if she agreed to the divorce agreement in court. She says yes.
Going over documents indicating disorderly conduct and found guilty and $214 fine. Adams Co. court.
Says she never seen the document before. Said previously she paid a fine but didn't know what it was for.
George took out a protective order against Tabitha, but later told her it was dropped.
Brings up birthday of George Oct 6 1991. She thought it was a year before.
His point was that he was younger than she thought when she first met him and slept over when she was 11.
On re-direct again - Tabitha says she only signed paper the night of the incident given by the cop. Says she has never seen any documents regarding the disorderly conduct before.
Says she gave the clerk the fine and the paper the cop had given her. Only signed a receipt. Filed Dec. 4, 2014.
Claytor is done with her testimony. And we're adjourned for the day.
link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher
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PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Nash asks if she gave George her cellphone and passwords to her social media as a way to ease his mind about her faithfulness after the affair.
She says yes. Says she made a new FB account after she left George - she testified earlier she gave no one access.
Nash is really drilling down on Claytor's testimony that George paid a fine for her and the domestic violence charges were dropped.
She is unclear on details of this - says she went to Adams Co. to pay a fine. "I'm not the smartest person in the world."
Nash pushes on why Claytor signed the custody document that was restrictive.
She again says she's not sure, didn't ask much, "I'm a blonde."
Tabitha says George told her once she got her own place and a job, they would do 50-50 parenting.
She says she did not speak up and oppose anything in court when custody was discussed.
Nash tries to imply that the Xanax drugging of Tabitha's baby girl could have been from her mom, not Angela.
Nash asks if George offered to fly Tabitha up to Alaska to see Bulvine after his family moved there.
She says yes, but she declined "because I didn't feel like dying."
Tabitha says George told her once she got her own place and a job, they would do 50-50 parenting.
She says she did not speak up and oppose anything in court when custody was discussed.
link: https://twitter.com/evanmillward
AC did start re-direct but no tweets on that.
But found this. Might be repeat tweets.
James Pilcher
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New afternoon thread for George Wagner IV trial from Pike County. His ex-wife Tabitha Claytor back on the stand for more direct testimony about her Facebook message with Hanna Rhoden
Giving her advice on how to get custody of Sophia from Jake. Saying George tricked her in the custody papers.
Hanna wrote - I am not falling for their tricks. When Jake choked me, George brought up when I was raped.
Hanna asking about papers now and what Tabitha signed.
Correction from previous tweets - the fight and her leaving the house occurred in November 2014.
Hanna wrote Tabitha in just days before the murders that Jake wanted to take custody of her soon-to-be born daughter Kylie. But the two women said they wanted no part of that.
There are messages between the two just days before the murders. Tabitha complaining about going to the house and Angela and her son not being there as previously planned.
Correction - not at house but at a swap meet. They were supposed to meet there.
Another message just after Hanna had her daughter Kylie. Just a day or two before the murders - again prosecutors asking about whether these were private and no one else had permission to see them.
Tabitha says in a message George wanted her back and was willing to wait. Says it brought up feelings but says she would only consider it if George moved out and they got their own place. But she loved her current husband.
That Facebook conversation took place on April 21, 2016 ... the actual day of the murders.
Recounting the night of the fight on FB with Hanna - says things would be much different if she had been able to go outside for 5 minutes and calm down. Says she and George probably would still be married.
Those Facebook messages were about the controlling nature of the Wagners, the violence and the two women's efforts to get custody of their kids .
One of those messages indicated Hanna Rhoden felt threatened if she ever left Jake Wagner - of course Hanna wound up being killed with the rest of her family.
Now moving on from FB messages. Tabitha says George always took the side of his mother whenever there was a dispute.
When she got to the gas station that night, George Jake Angela Billy and Hanna Rhoden were in the car waiting for her. This is when she was accused of dragging her son by his legs. Done with direct examination.
Done with direct examination - onto cross examination. Richard Nash handling questioning for the defense.
Tabitha says she was homeschooled until her junior year - Angela Wagner helped teach her. Says she spent time there and technically lived there when she was 11.
Slept in the same bed as George when she was 11.
Moved out after George broke up with her when she was 11. A year later they dated again for a week or two. Then were apart for six years.
Took a trip to Florida in 2011 when George proposed to her. She graduated in 2012 and they got married afterward.
Says she was free to leave for a little while.
Went to her best friends house Whitney a lot - spent the night. Had an affair with Whitney's father Jay. 25-30 years older than her at the time.
Asked she gave her phone and passwords as a sign that she was faithful - and she said yes. But later created a different facebook account.
Tabitha says she and her sisters were sexually abused by her stepfather Dave, who remained married to her mother until he died 5 years ago.
Another family meeting later about Dave when it was discussed to turn him in - George was there. But her mother asked them not to, she would have gotten into trouble. George didn't want his son around them because perpetrator and enabler - Tabitha agrees.
Later said George found her in bathroom when she was cutting her wrists. He was going to take her away but Angela came home and so they returned to the house.
Tabitha says restrictions were there because she told George she couldn't be faithful.
Also says she didn't get help after suicide attempt - and that George and Angela wanted her to go back on Zoloft for depression and bipolar disorder. But she didn't want to saying it wouldn't end well.
Tabitha says the fight in the kitchen the night she left started as horseplay with the belt. But says it got worse. Would not characterize it as assault.
Tabitha says she went to Adams County for some purpose to pay a fine. Says she didn't know the building or the reason. Believed the domestic abuse charges filed by George were dropped. Says she was not the smartest person in the world.
Her mother told her that she should not worry about her son Bulvine and instead worry about Jay - the man she had the affair with.
Asked why she signed that restrictive custody agreement - says she doesn't know not very smart - she's a blonde. Also agrees that Bulvine was safer at the time with the Wagners than at her house.
George drove her to and from the child care class they had to take before the divorce could go through. Said they were getting along "for the most part" after all what happened.
Tabitha says she voluntarily signed the agreement. And that she said in court she was seeing Bulvine as much as she wanted when the divorce was finalized. Also she never spoke up to say there was anything she opposed.
Defense now trying intimate Tabitha's baby girl got the Xanax from her mother, not while at the Wagners'. Also trying to show that Tabitha had incidents as a mother - that she made her son put his hand on hot food and that he fell at a picnic table.
Tabitha says the Wagners told her they were planning on visiting Alaska to "check it out" but never that they were moving there. Said she declined George's offer to fly up there - "because I didn't feel like dying."
Done with cross - a 15 minute break then on to re-direct.
Says she was 11-12 when she first started sleeping in his bed - George was 15. Says Angela encouraged it to help console him because he was upset at the time.
Got DNA test about her son's paternity. Tabitha says Angela told George he was his father because he looked so much like him.
Tabitha says she agreed Bulvine should stay with Wagners to avoid her former abusive household - but only until she found a place and could take care of him separately.
Said George told her that divorce agreement was temporary and that she took him at his word. Even though it wasn't in writing. And once divorce became official, she couldn't see him anymore until that Christmas visit.
Claytor now going over the 12 page exhibit - transcript of of the actual divorce proceedings.
Said never went over details in court when divorce finalized, and later told BCI agents she felt tricked the agreement was supposed to be temporary and George was supposed to go to 50/50 custody.
Tabitha says she had mixed feelings about George, but that she also still loved her mother even though she didn't protect her from abuse.
Still believes that George dropped the charges of abuse after the fight in 2014. She still doesn't understand why she had to pay a fine (George gave her the money).
Said they told her they were only going to Alaska to check it out. Never told her when they moved. Also explained her dying quote about going to Alaska. Says this was after the murders and the Wagners were named as person of interest - and she was afraid of what Wagners.
Says she does not know who called the cops on her when she was pulled over, and that she doesn't know that the Wagners put drugs into her daughter's system. Also said she left Wagners at 3:30ish and only 3-4 hours later is when her daughter was ill at hospital.
Was interviewed about 5 times by BCI, and cooperated and talked to them.
Angela's instruction about the kinds of sexual activity Tabitha and George could have came after they were married .
Last question - you had decided not to stay after George hit you? Tabitha: yes. Now done with re-direct. Waiting to see if more cross.
More cross. Nash asks again if she agreed to the divorce agreement in court. She says yes.
Going over documents indicating disorderly conduct and found guilty and $214 fine. Adams Co. court.
Says she never seen the document before. Said previously she paid a fine but didn't know what it was for.
George took out a protective order against Tabitha, but later told her it was dropped.
Brings up birthday of George Oct 6 1991. She thought it was a year before.
His point was that he was younger than she thought when she first met him and slept over when she was 11.
On re-direct again - Tabitha says she only signed paper the night of the incident given by the cop. Says she has never seen any documents regarding the disorderly conduct before.
Says she gave the clerk the fine and the paper the cop had given her. Only signed a receipt. Filed Dec. 4, 2014.
Claytor is done with her testimony. And we're adjourned for the day.
link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher
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Wednesday, October 5th:
*Trial continues (Day 17) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 30) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man). 9/30/22: Ill juror replaced with alternate. 12 jurors & 5 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 5 alternates (4 women & 1 man).
Trial began with opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-15 (9/12 to 10/3/22), no hearing on 9/29/22 post #501 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...embers-wagner-family-arrested-74.638537/page-[COLOR=rgb(165, 42, 42)][SIZE=3]26[/SIZE][/COLOR]
10/4/22 Tuesday, Trial Day 16: The defense had an oral argument on weapons being shown. Judge denied defense oral motion.
for more info see post #623 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-74.638537/page-32
State witness: Tabitha Claytor, back on stand. George’s ex wife.
for more info see post #624 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-74.638537/page-32
for more info see posts #666 & 667 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-74.638537/page-34
for more info see post #834 here:
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Trial continues on 10/5/22.
*Trial continues (Day 17) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 30) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man). 9/30/22: Ill juror replaced with alternate. 12 jurors & 5 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 5 alternates (4 women & 1 man).
Trial began with opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-15 (9/12 to 10/3/22), no hearing on 9/29/22 post #501 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...embers-wagner-family-arrested-74.638537/page-[COLOR=rgb(165, 42, 42)][SIZE=3]26[/SIZE][/COLOR]
10/4/22 Tuesday, Trial Day 16: The defense had an oral argument on weapons being shown. Judge denied defense oral motion.
for more info see post #623 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-74.638537/page-32
State witness: Tabitha Claytor, back on stand. George’s ex wife.
for more info see post #624 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-74.638537/page-32
for more info see posts #666 & 667 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-74.638537/page-34
for more info see post #834 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-74.638537/page-42
Trial continues on 10/5/22.
This is so incredibly helpful. Thank you for all your time.
I agree. These girls were groomed by the Wagner’s.
It can’t be just a coincidence.
Can you imagine the power struggle between AW, BW & FW? I cannot, it makes my brain hurt. It also makes me think while she may not have known for sure, there’s no way FW never suspected her family was responsible for the murders. BW’s trial is going to bring a whole lot more to light. I don’t know if I want to know much more about their creepy lifestyle.
As for GW’s defense…Jake & Angela have confessed. If GW wasn’t in on the planning, if he wasn’t present for the murders, and had no part of the cover up, then he had to be somewhere else. If I were a juror, my question would be: Where was he?
The judge is making point that the testimony is for prohibitive value, if any, related to motive, identity, common plan or scheme. And what he said was they could not use it to determine anything about the "proving thr character" of the defendant or the family member to prove the acts charged in the case. That has zero to do with herseay and is all about how to look at prior acts. The herseay, IMO, just comes in because of the exception -- e.g. Hannah is not available to testify
Nope -- not thr he said she said. But if physical evidence suggests George's foot is on Spot X, Jake does not know about that evidence but Jake says during his proffer, that George stood on Spot X, that helps corraborate Jake's testimony.
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