OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #77

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So I was searching back in the threads to see if it was ever mentioned exactly where the cistern was and all I got was inside the barn. If it was inside the barn they showed photos of today, I am thinking the changes to the barn in May/June that was document with adding stalls could be the Wagner's covering that cistern and make it harder to discover the evidence they tossed in it. I think this was the significance of the photos of the barn being shown. I wonder if the BCI agent who recovered the silence will explain that. They didn't go over that yet right? They needed a dive team to come out? Maybe this was done and shown already and I missed it. This is the only thing I can think of for why they are showing the photos of the stalls being added to the barn.

This was an old cistern and in the big old barn on the property. The new barn was separate and built for the animals. The new barn is completely different looking from the big old red now gray looking barn. They were to stupid to cover the cistern or BCI probably would have missed it.

Probably the new owners could have pointed out this very old murky cistern.

My opinion from studying the Defiance Farm's Facebook.
 
Another married at 16, baby at 17. Did she ever work? Social Security Benefits? I'm sure she is eligible for Section 8 housing, food stamps, and all the other benefits we offer the poor. Did she have a mortgage on her house - if not, where are the proceeds from the sale of that house? Might not find housing in an area she wants to live, but she did make her own bed by making poor choices.

ETA: I just reread the tweets from her testimony. She owned 50 acres of land where she planned on building a house. Where was that money going to come from?


Newcomb's attorney, Franklin Gerlach, portrayed his client as a grandmother living on Social Security.

She worked enough to pay into social security.

She also drove a bus and was a Notary Public. She owned farm land and takes care of her mother. She had other jobs also but it's been so long I can't find the articles.

What Is a Notary?
A notary is a publicly commissioned official who serves as an impartial witness to the signing of a legal document. Document signings where the services of a notary are likely include real estate deeds, affidavits, wills, trusts, and powers of attorney. The main reason a notary is used is to deter fraud.
 
So I was searching back in the threads to see if it was ever mentioned exactly where the cistern was and all I got was inside the barn. If it was inside the barn they showed photos of today, I am thinking the changes to the barn in May/June that was document with adding stalls could be the Wagner's covering that cistern and make it harder to discover the evidence they tossed in it. I think this was the significance of the photos of the barn being shown. I wonder if the BCI agent who recovered the silence will explain that. They didn't go over that yet right? They needed a dive team to come out? Maybe this was done and shown already and I missed it. This is the only thing I can think of for why they are showing the photos of the stalls being added to the barn.
Just as an FYI for those who follow trials and are just now coming to this thread: From the beginning the Ohio AG and investigators put a gag order on families, news media and anyone else. They even went to the Ohio Supreme Court to block the final autopsy reports from being released to the news media.

For that reason, most of us are just now learning many of the details of the crimes. We learned a little during 2 yrs of pretrial and discovery, but not much. The final autopsy reports of the victims weren’t revealed to us until this trial.

So apologies in advance to those coming in trying to get more details. Much of this is new to us, too.
 
I just noticed something from their DLs and mug shots. GW4's hair is naturally, quite darker than JW's. So is GW3s. AW did the dye job according to RandaN.
Mug shots _ 2018

Driver License.

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I knew it. I mentioned it before. I thought it was Angela's idea for the hair dye. It is so stupid to do it that it doesn't surprise me she did it. She seems to have come up with many ideas but then not thought through any consequences. Like now what do we do?

She left too much evidence. For starters, her laptop, shoe receipt and custody documents, casings, cistern suppressor, and shopping in Walmart - the store with the most security including the outside security of her getting into the passenger side of her truck with everyone but Billy in the truck.

At first this seemed like a sophisticated operation as DeWine said, but now we know it was anything but sophisticated. Incompetent, impulsive, the before not considered, over kill, murder kit paper trail, footprints, innocent witnesses killed, a mess getting into Frankie's house, and so much more.
 
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I seen that also . Don't know which media he was from.

He said, I'm a member of the media and I have an objection. Then he tried to cite a law and the judge ordered him taken out.

How did this guy get it in his head that he could even do that?

You would just have to know Derek to understand the "why" LMAO.
 
So I was searching back in the threads to see if it was ever mentioned exactly where the cistern was and all I got was inside the barn. If it was inside the barn they showed photos of today, I am thinking the changes to the barn in May/June that was document with adding stalls could be the Wagner's covering that cistern and make it harder to discover the evidence they tossed in it. I think this was the significance of the photos of the barn being shown. I wonder if the BCI agent who recovered the silence will explain that. They didn't go over that yet right? They needed a dive team to come out? Maybe this was done and shown already and I missed it. This is the only thing I can think of for why they are showing the photos of the stalls being added to the barn.
Here it is:
Investigators also found a well or cistern in an old barn on the property, near the home. It was covered with debris, and bricks had been placed to try to fill it in; Bryan said agents worked to uncover the cistern and documented it. They were not able to check it for any evidence during the searches on May 10 and May 12 in 2017, he said, because they determined after looking inside they didn't have the proper equipment to safely send a person down into the cistern.

Bryan said agents determined they needed a dive team to safely go down inside the cistern, which he said wasn't particularly large, but was deep.

Evidence Collected During Search of Wagner Property

I THINK, I'm caught up after an all day marathon. O.o
 
No, he can't and won't get fired. o_O
Oh wow, is this the same Derek Myers that is the Editor in Chief of the Scioto Valley Guardian?

IMO, in the past he has written articles that tend to be very favorable to Fredericka Wagner.

What would be his possible motive in creating such an public outburst today in court?

JMO
 
Canepa asked her if Wagner came to her after the #Rhoden family homicides and asked her to lie and say she signed forged child-custody documents related to the child shared by Hanna Rhoden and Jake Wagner. 4/8

Newcomb said her daughter told her: "Mom, if you won't sign they will hurt me bad or kill me." But, she testified that she knew it was wrong at the time. 5/8


I wonder when this was? Who was going to kill her? Did she mean Billy and the boys? BCI? It sounds like this might have been before they were arrested. Was this after the BCI interview at the border where she knew they were on to her about the custody documents?

I think it would have been after BCI confronted her about the forged custody documents. Then she was basically forced to tell her mom about them. Her mom refused to forge the documents so Angie did it herself and I doubt told her mom she forged her mom's signature. But Angie was cornered with BCI and then
had to come clean to her mom. Especially when her mom got the grand jury subpoena.

Sounds to me like Angie begged Rita to tell the grand jury that Rita nortarized the documents and Angie lied about being hurt or killed only to pressure her mom into lying.

It worked. Her mom did then lie to the grand jury. Sat on house arrest a whole year for it.

Maybe we will find out exactly how it came about but what matters is that the truth is out. Rita told her attorney she was in trouble and he said everything would be fine if she told the truth. So she did.
 
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I don't think I've ever followed a trial where the judge is having to constantly ask for the basis of an objection. It's like the defense is throwing out objections and then just sitting there like they have no idea why. o_O

AC has a bit of trouble framing her questions. Many of the objections were back to back of the same objection, due to this reason. At one point her co-counsel was looking a bit concerned and as if he was sending a question telepathically.
 
Oh wow, is this the same Derek Myers that is the Editor in Chief of the Scioto Valley Guardian?

IMO, in the past he has written articles that tend to be very favorable to Fredericka Wagner.

What would be his possible motive in creating such an public outburst today in court?

JMO
Mistrial? I really don't understand doing it while the jury was there in the courtroom. That to me shows a total disregard for the victims and their families. AJMO
 
Oh wow, is this the same Derek Myers that is the Editor in Chief of the Scioto Valley Guardian?

IMO, in the past he has written articles that tend to be very favorable to Fredericka Wagner.

What would be his possible motive in creating such an public outburst today in court?

JMO

I think he was objecting to the witnesses being able to opt out of being shown on camera. SV Guardian are the one's who won the the recent suit, so he was pushing it today. Here's the vid.

'I'm a member of the media and I object:' Reporter removed from Pike County trial
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Scioto Valley Guardian wins Suit
 
Here it is:
Investigators also found a well or cistern in an old barn on the property, near the home. It was covered with debris, and bricks had been placed to try to fill it in; Bryan said agents worked to uncover the cistern and documented it. They were not able to check it for any evidence during the searches on May 10 and May 12 in 2017, he said, because they determined after looking inside they didn't have the proper equipment to safely send a person down into the cistern.

Bryan said agents determined they needed a dive team to safely go down inside the cistern, which he said wasn't particularly large, but was deep.

Evidence Collected During Search of Wagner Property

I THINK, I'm caught up after an all day marathon. O.o

Thanks. I didn't know they tried to cover the cistern. Obviously not good enough.
 
Yes, as I recall from her trial for the problem with custody documents. She was a notary public. She worked at some job I don't recall until retirement.

JMO, after a quick check of the area, I don't think there are many Section 8 apartments available. Eligibility for that is pretty steep in Ohio. You have to be extremely poor, usually disabled are a priority. The waiting lists can be quite long. I'm fairly certain that, in Ohio, you have to divest yourself of other assets before being approved. That means you can't have any money in savings, if you own family property you must sell it, etc. Lots of loopholes.
I happened ro be randomly looking at affordable housing in the area a few days ago. There are 97 mutli-family housing units in Moore Village in Piketon; 50 units at another place called Vansant Commons in Piketon; the Portsmouth Metropolitan Housing Authority has 886 units and 99 from the Miller Manor Housing Authority in Wheelersburg. They all seem to have long wait lists. They all offer programs to defer up to 30% of the costs of renting from certain landlords.

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development has uniform assest rules -- under $5k, all the income derivied from the assests goes into the maximum income calculation; over $5K, they count the greater of (a) the income derived from the assets or (b) 2% of the assets toward the maximum income calculation. Technically, there is no assest limitation, but practically there is -- and it creates problems for people who have illiquid assests that can't easily turn to cash

https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents...gQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3FUJ0T2Y0yK-HgYPZfy3iL




 
My Opinions Only. I reserve the right to change them at any moment.

Observation having no bearing on the trial outcome: There have been 2 versions on why AW left the AF.

1. She was released due to a hardship and her father needing help. Under certain circumstances the AF would release individuals from their contracts, if hardship is verifiable, perhaps, thru Red Cross.

2. I dont recall the witness but another claimed she was released due to an assault committed on her. A rape or something similar could result in a discharge but a fist fight not so much. Anyway, either she lied, again, or rumors are flying. Not important either way.

I thought CN was believable, entertaining and a straight shooter. I couldn't help but notice Parker didn't have the guts to crowd CNs personal space like he did to intimidate women witnesses. I hope the jury takes note and doesnt cut the defense any slack in deliberation. And before anyone says it, I know they aren't supposed to be swayed by courtroom antics. However, the jury are human and it is fantasy to believe it doesn't matter. IMO

As previously mentioned, JW is a run-of-the-mill pedophile. IMO Personally, I feel all pedophiles in prison should have to wear a different colored uniform, pink/baby blue, etc... to distinquish peds from the rest of the thieves, murderers and rapists. The question is, was he abused sexually as a child by BW, AW or another family member? IMO

Like many others I do believe AW was a con artist, manipulator and just an overall evil person. I also believe she unloaded on DR just as I believe GW4 murdered GR. The hatred AW had against DR was there and so was the overkill. I think the W4s entire story was pre conceived for when they got arrested. This was how it was going to play out. The 3 stooges knew they didn't stand a chance of getting off but if we can get mommy off then at least she can see the grandkids. IMO. AW is so self serving she caused her mother to lose a 50 acre farm, and her dream home, to afford an attorney. She lied and manipulated her own mother into thinking her (AW)life was at risk if she didn't help. BALONEY!!!

BW is the poster child for a dumb as a box of rocks sterotype. Let me tell ya sumthin, BW, cursing doesnt make you believable. He also had a personal vendetta against Chris. I don't believe it was over dope, money or anything else. It was about Chris embarrassing him and he was fed up with it. He couldnt fight him man to man and win, so he shot him 9 times. JMO

GWIV, if you are really GOD fearing and all, as you only wanna read your bible and be left alone in jail, then you need to repent and confess your role in the murders. Either way, you are done. It isn't a matter of if but when. LWOP as an admitted murderer is more favorable than LWOP as a convicted murderer, in the eyes of you saviour. IMO I will say, so far, you are the weakling to your younger brother, at least mentally. You allowed your manipulative mother and mammas favorite boy JW, talk you into a LWOP sentence. Did she succeed in doing so while she scratched an itch late at night, as your wife had to leave you two alone, in your bed? Disgusting!! IMO

As previously noted. These are my opinions to-date. I reserve to right to change my opinions as evidence is produced. GW4 is done!!
 
Because there is Ohio case law supporting him doing so, I believe
So, I relistened to what the reporter said and I think he is referring to the Ohio Fourth District Court of Appeals decsion striking down parts of Judge Deering's media order. It reportedly says, in part:

"Should Judge Deering or the prosecutors wish to restrict the media’s recording access in the future, the trial court must hold a hearing and make findings on the record in accordance with the factors enumerated above."

Since it's unpublished, we are missing context, but I would not be shocked if it isn't Judge Deering and, not the reporter, who gets the slap on the hand.

The arguments by Judge Deering, the prosecution and the defense on media access have been sophomoric and have lacked rigor. It's about the First Amendment and the public's right to know but it's also about the Sixith Amendment right of the defendant to have a public trial where the officers of the court are transparent and held to account for their behaviors by the public in protection of the rights of the defendant.

The authors of the Sixth Amendment put the words public trial right after speedy trial and before an impartial jury. A public trial is one of eight key elements of a fair trial. Last on the list is a lawyer. It tells you something about the importance the authors put on a speedy and public trial, which makes sense given the secret Kangroo Courts of England at the time (and many other places now).


“In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.”



 
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So, I relistened to what the reporter said and I think he is referring to the Ohio Fourth District Court of Appeals decsion striking down parts of Judge Deering's media order. It reportedly says, in part:

"Should Judge Deering or the prosecutors wish to restrict the media’s recording access in the future, the trial court must hold a hearing and make findings on the record in accordance with the factors enumerated above."

Since it's unpublished, we are missing context, but I would not be shocked if it isn't Judge Deering and, not the reporter, who gets the slap on the hand.

The arguments by Judge Deering, the prosecution and the defense on media access have been sophomoric and have lacked rigor. It's about the First Amendment and the public's right to know but it's also about the Sixith Amendment right of the defendant to have a public trial where the officers of the court are transparent and held to account for their behaviors by the public in protection of the rights of the defendant.

The authors of the Sixth Amendment put the words public trial right after speedy trial and before an impartial jury. A public trial is one of eight key elements of a fair trial. Last on the list is a lawyer. It tells you something about the importance the authors put on a speedy and public trial, which makes sense given the secret Kangroo Courts of England at the time (and many other places now).


“In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.”




Here is the Court of Appeals full decision on the matter-


It only pertains to exhibits, not witness testimony. Judge Deering cannot allow the witness testimony to be broadcast if the witness opts out, that right falls under Ohio Supreme Court Rule 12 Conditions for Broadcasting and Photographing Court Proceedings (page 201) here-


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My Opinions Only. I reserve the right to change them at any moment.

Observation having no bearing on the trial outcome: There have been 2 versions on why AW left the AF.

1. She was released due to a hardship and her father needing help. Under certain circumstances the AF would release individuals from their contracts, if hardship is verifiable, perhaps, thru Red Cross.

2. I dont recall the witness but another claimed she was released due to an assault committed on her. A rape or something similar could result in a discharge but a fist fight not so much. Anyway, either she lied, again, or rumors are flying. Not important either way.

I thought CN was believable, entertaining and a straight shooter. I couldn't help but notice Parker didn't have the guts to crowd CNs personal space like he did to intimidate women witnesses. I hope the jury takes note and doesnt cut the defense any slack in deliberation. And before anyone says it, I know they aren't supposed to be swayed by courtroom antics. However, the jury are human and it is fantasy to believe it doesn't matter. IMO

As previously mentioned, JW is a run-of-the-mill pedophile. IMO Personally, I feel all pedophiles in prison should have to wear a different colored uniform, pink/baby blue, etc... to distinquish peds from the rest of the thieves, murderers and rapists. The question is, was he abused sexually as a child by BW, AW or another family member? IMO

Like many others I do believe AW was a con artist, manipulator and just an overall evil person. I also believe she unloaded on DR just as I believe GW4 murdered GR. The hatred AW had against DR was there and so was the overkill. I think the W4s entire story was pre conceived for when they got arrested. This was how it was going to play out. The 3 stooges knew they didn't stand a chance of getting off but if we can get mommy off then at least she can see the grandkids. IMO. AW is so self serving she caused her mother to lose a 50 acre farm, and her dream home, to afford an attorney. She lied and manipulated her own mother into thinking her (AW)life was at risk if she didn't help. BALONEY!!!

BW is the poster child for a dumb as a box of rocks sterotype. Let me tell ya sumthin, BW, cursing doesnt make you believable. He also had a personal vendetta against Chris. I don't believe it was over dope, money or anything else. It was about Chris embarrassing him and he was fed up with it. He couldnt fight him man to man and win, so he shot him 9 times. JMO

GWIV, if you are really GOD fearing and all, as you only wanna read your bible and be left alone in jail, then you need to repent and confess your role in the murders. Either way, you are done. It isn't a matter of if but when. LWOP as an admitted murderer is more favorable than LWOP as a convicted murderer, in the eyes of you saviour. IMO I will say, so far, you are the weakling to your younger brother, at least mentally. You allowed your manipulative mother and mammas favorite boy JW, talk you into a LWOP sentence. Did she succeed in doing so while she scratched an itch late at night, as your wife had to leave you two alone, in your bed? Disgusting!! IMO

As previously noted. These are my opinions to-date. I reserve to right to change my opinions as evidence is produced. GW4 is done!!

Interesting read. Yup. George is done, too much added up against him. I still think all the jury has to believe is that he went along on the murders to be convicted of the murders. And too much of what Jake and Angela say is backed up by BCI evidence which goes along with his planning it and knowing about it.

Put a fork in it. Enjoy maximum security.
 
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