OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #21

[jk204]

JMO
My theory that I am still sticking with is related to the bust at the post office of the MJ.

I think there is ties to a major out-of-state supplier of MJ and other drugs and when that MJ got intercepted at the post office I think the suppliers found out that someone in that family was working as an informant with LE because of the bust. I think the suppliers were afraid that the informant would end up getting them identified and busted too so I think they took out the informant and everyone else he was associated with. I think there were 2 hitmen and one of them was someone who knew all the family connections and had been in those homes before and that person was hired or forced to help the day of the murders. That other person may have been from a close by state or even in that state. The other hitman I think was further away and thinking California because of some news articles I had read. Just a guess on that though.

I think someone from out of state came in with the mission and the local person assisted them during the operation to take the informant and all his family connections out. The motive was soley to reduce anybody that could jeapordize their major operations and I think they are a major supplier along the lines of cartel or large gang type supplier.

Hi Hatfield.
In that scenario, what would motivate Reader to protect the children ?
In my opinion, it's more personal than that: it's related to Frankie, his wife or his sister. With KR in the picture, I would look at common relations with him. Somewhere around pot, derby and Rarden. I still come back to KR2 comment about that missing gun and trusted relationship with the killer.
I just dont see it in the scenario you describe.

 

[Flatbush]

You make a good point about the tensions. Although these tensions are between families and not as much within imo. That's interesting.

As I understand:
1) the Manleys
2) the Gilleys

There is a 3rd family apparently. Is it with the Rhodens ? Or JW ? JW is requesting for his child, I dont know if he is asking for K as well.

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[glf]

Z

Oh yeah, the oj case, the Bruno Magli lorenzo boots size 12.

No, it was a 20 something guy who murdered a woman wearing a pair of Adidas!

 

[glf]

You make a good point about the tensions. Although these tensions are between families and not as much within imo. That's interesting.

As I understand:
1) the Manleys
2) the Gilleys

There is a 3rd family apparently. Is it with the Rhodens ? Or JW ? JW is requesting for his child, I dont know if he is asking for K as well.

Yes, he wants K if she is his. He said if not, he would step back as long as his wishes are met, meaning he wants K and S to be a part of each other's lives. I believe I read that on his acct.

 

[lusd]

Regarding paternity, DNA tests, Who's to say those that submitted there DNA are not the father. JMO

 

[Obiwankenobi]

Or the dad isn't one of the interested parties.

I'm thinking neither of the 2 we knew about were a match.

 

[amauet1]

Yeah, the number of shots to the victims is telling me that the person definitely did not want anybody to live through it to be able to talk to LE. Which goes back to the theory I am sticking with for now.

I also agree that someone(s) with some level of authority in that town may be hindering the investigation. I have always wondered if there is some corrupt officials in that area/town that may be getting kickbacks to look the other way on certain things.

I also highly suspect someone who worked at the post office knew of the shipments and for some reason they were not working the day they got intercepted. Using Post Office seems stupid unless you know someone is always there to make sure the package is not checked.

I know I am hung up with the Post Office bust and the potential tie in to it.

If they had someone at the post office (inside man/woman) wouldn't that mean the FBI would be involved. Anything to do with mail tampering is a federal offense isn't it?

 

[amauet1]

Because they are going for a conviction--not a scoop.

Since when has most of the media cared about how the case turns out, over getting the "scoop"?

 

[glf]

If they had someone at the post office (inside man/woman) wouldn't that mean the FBI would be involved. Anything to do with mail tampering is a federal offense isn't it?

I think any branch of LE could place an inside man, and once they find what they are looking for then FBI and Postmaster General would be brought in.

 

[rsd1200]

Regarding paternity, DNA tests do not take long to get back. I'm certain they are back. The question is, were any of the candidates a match? Maybe they just aren't releasing because either the dad is not suitable for custody, or the dad is in danger, or the child is on danger.

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Iirc the DNA tests had not even been submitted as of the first week of June. I found that a bit surprising.

 

[glf]

Iirc the DNA tests had not even been submitted as of the first week of June. I found that a bit surprising.

Yeah, and that kinda solidifies what I have been saying, I think maybe Charlie has told child svcs to drag their feet on that, for some reason. The ultimate decision is not in his hands or in child svcs hands. Really irritating! Especially for the babies families!

 

[rsd1200]

I agree there is no proven connection yet but 3 things for me so far.

1-It was a large shipment of MJ that could be used to make the other oil substance that I am pretty sure we found out they were making as well. They would need a lot of MJ to make that oil and probably could not grow enough so they needed supplies of it to make the oil.

2-If I remember it correctly I think the PO was relatively close to their house. I am not 100 percent sure about that but that was the impression I got.

To my knowledge LE has still never charged anyone yet and never told the public who the person was that came to pick up the shipment. From the articles we do know LE waited for the person and they got them. The news implied that LE was going to go after the suppliers before charges and arrests. So until we know who it was that LE found out to get the shipment then its on the table for me as possibly connected.

ETA---added #3
3-The timing of the bust was shortly before the murders.

I don't know if it is what you are talking about but Reader did charge two people and Junk dropped the charges. He wanted more info from Reader, which Reader said he'd never been asked to provide in any other case. (Iirc)

 

[rsd1200]

Yes, he wants K if she is his. He said if not, he would step back as long as his wishes are met, meaning he wants K and S to be a part of each other's lives. I believe I read that on his acct.

If she's not his he can make no stipulations. It will be up to her bio parent as to whether they allow her to see her 1/2 sister, g-grandparents, or any other kin. If she's not his, he has no say.

 

[glf]

I don't know if it is what you are talking about but Reader did charge two people and Junk dropped the charges. He wanted more info from Reader, which Reader said he'd never been asked to provide in any other case. (Iirc)

Well, I may be completely wrong, but I would think that Junk dropping the chgs is really dumb. What's to keep those two from moving away and breaking ties with all old acquaintances while Junk is trying to fry the bigger fish first? If I were in their shoes, Pike county would never see hide nor hair of me ever again!

 

[rsd1200]

Yeah, and that kinda solidifies what I have been saying, I think maybe Charlie has told child svcs to drag their feet on that, for some reason. The ultimate decision is not in his hands or in child svcs hands. Really irritating! Especially for the babies families!

Believe you me, they will work together to do it too. If one, or both, parents are looking at jail (and may not even know it), CPS will work w/LE & stall the case.

 

[glf]

If she's not his he can make no stipulations. It will be up to her bio parent as to whether they allow her to see her 1/2 sister, g-grandparents, or any other kin. If she's not his, he has no say.

Well, when he said it, I imagine he feels that way, and I am pretty sure if CG turns out to be her dad, they are already acquainted, may be friends, and that's what he's thinking. I just passed on what I read. When everything's said and done, I would think that would be acceptable to the parties concerned, and one day we may be privileged enough to know.

 

[glf]

Believe you me, they will work together to do it too. If one, or both, parents are looking at jail (and may not even know it), CPS will work w/LE & stall the case.

I doubt if any of the parties who have filed for custody are in any trouble, but I definitely see your point! Let's just hope for the best!

 

[amauet1]

I think any branch of LE could place an inside man, and once they find what they are looking for then FBI and Postmaster General would be brought in.

Imo, they "let" that package go through all the post offices it needed to for delivery to Piketon. And if they did, the FBI has been on it since day one of it's route.
And that means that the FBI was in the Piketon area already. That might explain how the AG got involved with this case so fast. I posted on one of these threads before that Sheriff Reader, before becoming Piketon's Sheriff, was working as an investigator for Junk. He's Pike Counties procecuter. This is all starting to fit together as far as them making all of these drug bust's in Ohio lately. Part of a big puzzle as the AG mentioned.

 

[GeeEm]

I don't know if it is what you are talking about but Reader did charge two people and Junk dropped the charges. He wanted more info from Reader, which Reader said he'd never been asked to provide in any other case. (Iirc)

CORRECT!!!!! rsd1200 We discussed this a longggggggggggg time ago!

We even talked about the girl going into the Post Office to pick up the package.

Theory: :waiting:

**Cartel
**Rogue Cop

I just can't stop thinking any other way! :anguish:

jmo :moo:

 

[amauet1]

You know, I really am not interested in the child custody case for it's own sake. It's none of my business, as they are not part of my family. I, like everyone else (including the family I'm sure), want whatever is best for these innocent children. The only information that I wanted, was whatever pertained to the murder case. And fortunately the children were left alive for a reason it seems. Some people have mentioned "family annilator" (sp), but my understanding is that includes the "whole" family. No one is left in that bloodline that will inherit their estate.
But these children are left and will inherit. From what we've read and other's have posted a guardian will appointed for the children, their welfare and inheritance will be included and given over to that guardian.( I assume a lawyer will be involved with the children for a few years) So if someone did this terriable crime for the Rhoden's estate, they really screwed that up!
How could someone kill woman and children ( I consider both Hannah's and Chris Jr as such) so coldly and still have enough control of themselves not to harm the babies?