OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #23

[RAISINISBACK]

Absolutely. If they are not a part of this family, or a very close "friend", I will be amazed. I'd almost bet the farm on one of the two being involved in some way.

Even with close family luck had to play a huge part. The closest relationships would be:

KR's children, FR's children and HR's children. (we can safely rule out FR and HR's children.)

KR's children are LR, KR and TR. They might have known for certain where their father was that night. KR admitted she was supposed to be at DR's so she might have called HR and knew for certain where HR, CR2 was and when DR was due home. But it would have been hard for her to know about the CR1, and FR households. This is not allowing for the babies being awake for some reason or HR or CR2 getting up for whatever reason.

CR1 and KR's mother and DR's parents and HG's parents and GR's parents.
Most parents generally know where their kids are at all times, grandkids are harder to predict especially teenagers. Geneva may have known for certain that CR1 and KR would be home that night but I can't see her being able to predict FR's or Dr's household. GR's parents were out of state and may have known where GR and CR1 was for certain but not the other 3 households. HG's parents would have known where her and FR was but not the rest. DR's parents could have known about DR, FR and CR1s households since they lived very close but unlikely they knew for certain where KR would be.

Brothers and sisters.
CR1 and KR had 4 sisters and 2 brothers. Unknown about where the sisters lived but the brothers lived close and may have known where CR1 and KR's household were. Can't see them knowing for certain about FR and DR's.
GR's brothers and sisters are mostly unknown except for one, KR who lived out of state. They may have known about GR and CR1's household but not the others.
HG had one brother CG and one sister MG that we know about. Although they may have known about the FR and DR households and even CR1 I can't see them knowing for certain about KR.
DR had 2 sisters and one brother that are known. BJM was the only one who had a lot to do with all 4 households, but unknown if she knew for certain where they would all be that night.

Nieces and nephews. Too many to list but BR was close to FR.

Cousins. The only one we know for certain that was close is DS.

Uncles and aunts. Geneva raised 8 of her siblings who would have grown up like brothers and sisters to CR1 and KR. Would they have been close enough to have known where all 4 household's members would be that night?

Anyone else want to add anything to this?

Gosh this makes me tired just thinking about it.

Going by my own family experience.

Children: my son would be able to predict where we would be but wouldn't have a clue where his aunts and uncles and cousins would be on any given night.

Parent: I could somewhat predict where my son would be late at night but wouldn't have a clue where my teen aged grandsons are unless they phone or text me, since like FR they have their own houses and jobs.

As a sister: I wouldn't have a clue since my brothers and sisters go to casinos, visit kids who live out of town, visit friends, go to Walmart, you get the idea. Even at 2:00 AM they could be in a casino somewhere or a Walmart or staying the night with kids.

As a cousin: Straight up wouldn't have a clue where any of my cousins are day or night.

I know this is unorthodox and slightly off topic but we are an accumulation of our experiences so would anyone else want to project using their own family experience?

 

[Ann99]

If we could share factual Family Tree info that would be really helpful.
I have a good deal I could contribute, depending upon the format.

 

[mamamumbles]

I really don't see this as being family, at least not a Rhoden by birth or marriage. Sorry, folks, it just doesn't add up for me. And Yes, I agree the killers were the luckiest people on the planet that nite. Almost like the planning included the moon and the stars. I also agree the killers were inside each house to commit these murders with close to direct contact with each shot. I don't think anybody hid in the homes prior to people going to bed. About the only place to hide would have been a broom closet, walk in pantry, (which would not have been smart), or under a bed.
We've been hearing for months well-planned, something about close to being professional, although killers most likely acquainted with victims, could have been friends, (and I feel like we should also include business relationship), then, they (LE) have also included cartel, gang association, and being out-of-towners.
Then, the weeding out process began, and we're not left with much, except friends or family.
The family theory is a really big deal, considering the size of the extended family. Plus, the larger the family, the more likely there are, and have been family spats, big or little. I think it would be very hard for the killers to be in the family and not being discovered by other members, especially for seven months.

Agree 100%. I did think maybe people were hiding, but it would be too risky and I guess their places weren't very big I don't think this is done by ANY family, and I even doubt friends. Either known enemies who have been having rivalries with the family or drug associates.

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[rsd1200]

I am right there with ya. No farm but I do have a land parcel I could place a bet with.
I am of the belief it was a so called friend. Way too much pointing to they were known to family. I went back and have been re-reading earlier articles trying to glean something, have also have been attempting a little family tree research on the family. A few hours doing that and I see what is slowing LE down, partially anyway. That is one HUGE extended family!

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I started a tree right after this happened. It has over 130 individuals in it now. W/o it I'd not be able to keep up with this at all.

 

[rsd1200]

Even with close family luck had to play a huge part. The closest relationships would be:

KR's children, FR's children and HR's children. (we can safely rule out FR and HR's children.)

KR's children are LR, KR and TR. They might have known for certain where their father was that night. KR admitted she was supposed to be at DR's so she might have called HR and knew for certain where HR, CR2 was and when DR was due home. But it would have been hard for her to know about the CR1, and FR households. This is not allowing for the babies being awake for some reason or HR or CR2 getting up for whatever reason.

CR1 and KR's mother and DR's parents and HG's parents and GR's parents.
Most parents generally know where their kids are at all times, grandkids are harder to predict especially teenagers. Geneva may have known for certain that CR1 and KR would be home that night but I can't see her being able to predict FR's or Dr's household. GR's parents were out of state and may have known where GR and CR1 was for certain but not the other 3 households. HG's parents would have known where her and FR was but not the rest. DR's parents could have known about DR, FR and CR1s households since they lived very close but unlikely they knew for certain where KR would be.

Brothers and sisters.
CR1 and KR had 4 sisters and 2 brothers. Unknown about where the sisters lived but the brothers lived close and may have known where CR1 and KR's household were. Can't see them knowing for certain about FR and DR's.
GR's brothers and sisters are mostly unknown except for one, KR who lived out of state. They may have known about GR and CR1's household but not the others.
HG had one brother CG and one sister MG that we know about. Although they may have known about the FR and DR households and even CR1 I can't see them knowing for certain about KR.
DR had 2 sisters and one brother that are known. BJM was the only one who had a lot to do with all 4 households, but unknown if she knew for certain where they would all be that night.

Nieces and nephews. Too many to list but BR was close to FR.

Cousins. The only one we know for certain that was close is DS.

Uncles and aunts. Geneva raised 8 of her siblings who would have grown up like brothers and sisters to CR1 and KR. Would they have been close enough to have known where all 4 household's members would be that night?

Anyone else want to add anything to this?

Gosh this makes me tired just thinking about it.

Going by my own family experience.

Children: my son would be able to predict where we would be but wouldn't have a clue where his aunts and uncles and cousins would be on any given night.

Parent: I could somewhat predict where my son would be late at night but wouldn't have a clue where my teen aged grandsons are unless they phone or text me, since like FR they have their own houses and jobs.

As a sister: I wouldn't have a clue since my brothers and sisters go to casinos, visit kids who live out of town, visit friends, go to Walmart, you get the idea. Even at 2:00 AM they could be in a casino somewhere or a Walmart or staying the night with kids.

As a cousin: Straight up wouldn't have a clue where any of my cousins are day or night.

I know this is unorthodox and slightly off topic but we are an accumulation of our experiences so would anyone else want to project using their own family experience?

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I'd be of zero assistance w/my aunts, uncles, & cousins. It's not b/c we're on the outs, I just don't see them much these days and we aren't a "visiting" family. I can't even tell you what the inside of one my sibling's homes looks like, b/c I've never been inside it. I could give a pretty detailed account of my parent's activities, but I visit regular, and they live right down the road from me.

 

[rsd1200]

Something that was floated to me, I'm going to float on to ya'll. There has been rumor, in some parts, that people who have done folks dirty, or possibly owed them significant amounts of money, etc. have been being sent messages, not by harming the ones who have committed the unforgivable offense, but by harming those they love. For instance, the offender's grandparent's house burns to the ground. Just thought I'd pass that along as food for thought.

 

[Betty P]

With this crime it's like Murphy's Law in reverse. Everything that could go right for the killer, did.

Unbelievable coincidences of those "9th" victims, all victims right where they were supposed to be, everyone home in bed and asleep, no one playing video games or texting a late night message to a bf/gf, babies fed and asleep, keys right where they are supposed to be, doors left unlocked, dogs quiet.

And multiply that X4.

It's hard enough to get that kind of luck at one crime scene let alone four. I don't think it could have went that smoothly for a trained special ops team who had been working together for years. And if Sheriff Reader is right we are dealing with locals here. Whoever the killers are, I have to hand it to them, they are some lucky people. I wonder if they buy lottery tickets?

I wonder if they had some kind of listening device to determine when everyone was asleep? Outside surveillance could tell them if room lights or lamps were turned off, but they might need some way of listening. I still think these were pros or people with advanced training and who had some high tech equipment to help them with surveillance. This likely wasn't their first time. Multiple teams in different locations with the ability to communicate with each other. Scanner to listen for police.

 

[AskMeNoQuestions]

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/...cle_135fc7ce-c152-11e6-badf-27854768097c.html

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[RAISINISBACK]

Something that was floated to me, I'm going to float on to ya'll. There has been rumor, in some parts, that people who have done folks dirty, or possibly owed them significant amounts of money, etc. have been being sent messages, not by harming the ones who have committed the unforgivable offense, but by harming those they love. For instance, the offender's grandparent's house burns to the ground. Just thought I'd pass that along as food for thought.

Could that possibly be what happened here? DR's sister? I would think she is in with some pretty mean people since a dead man was found in her driveway.

 

[rsd1200]

Could that possibly be what happened here? DR's sister? I would think she is in with some pretty mean people since a dead man was found in her driveway.

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Idk, I just found it kind of an interesting theory. I'd not even mentioned this case. This was just brought up in conversation about there being some folks you just did not mess with. They wouldn't go after you personally, they'd go after a loved one. It sends a very loud, and clear, message to everyone living around the area.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I wonder if they had some kind of listening device to determine when everyone was asleep? Outside surveillance could tell them if room lights or lamps were turned off, but they might need some way of listening. I still think these were pros or people with advanced training and who had some high tech equipment to help them with surveillance. This likely wasn't their first time. Multiple teams in different locations with the ability to communicate with each other. Scanner to listen for police.

That might work. But one of the victims could have been on a tablet or cell doing something and even a listening device wouldn't have picked up noise from that. The low light from a tablet or cell wouldn't be noticeable from the outside.

To have that high tech equipment it would almost have to be LE.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

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Idk, I just found it kind of an interesting theory. I'd not even mentioned this case. This was just brought up in conversation about there being some folks you just did not mess with. They wouldn't go after you personally, they'd go after a loved one. It sends a very loud, and clear, message to everyone living around the area.

I would think it would be a deterrent for anyone. You might not be afraid for yourself but you would certainly be scared for those you love.

 

[Baneone4u]

You'd think they'd have taken the drugs in that case. Especially with 4 people to help. Then again maybe someone dide. We just don't have enough information to begin to speculate. They really dropped the ball early in this investigation. It's sad but they squandered such precious time early on I'm afraid there maybe not coming back from it. I feel confident they already have a solid idea who did it. They just failed to get a profile early on to use as a reason to press into that person harder.

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[amauet1]

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Idk, I just found it kind of an interesting theory. I'd not even mentioned this case. This was just brought up in conversation about there being some folks you just did not mess with. They wouldn't go after you personally, they'd go after a loved one. It sends a very loud, and clear, message to everyone living around the area.

My God ! this is starting to sound like that movie "Winters Bone" . No wonder no one's talking! They must be terrified! If these "murders" are that dangerous that explains all the murders going on in and around that county and why there going unsolved!

 

[glf]

Could that possibly be what happened here? DR's sister? I would think she is in with some pretty mean people since a dead man was found in her driveway.[/QUOTE

That is what I meant when I made up the scenario between Bill, Sue, and Kenny. If Bill kills Sue for dating Kenny, then Sue won't be around to suffer. But if Bill kills Kenny and other family members, then Sue is around to suffer the loss of Kenny and his family members. And Bill is sadistic enough to not care about the rest of the family left to grieve their family's loss.
:worms::cat::cat:

 

[Flatbush]

Ok...first I gotta get this out here. The reason I was looking through some of the family tree, I was looking for other Rhodens I was just pondering if there were other family who may work on vehicles with CRSr at his garage, that sort of thing. Needless to say am just got a real headache looking through the branches of that giant tree!
Far as the family tree looking, we could PM each other that is in on the tree search and perhaps email? I would be interested in that if anyone else is. Not real sure I want to put a lot out here, anyone can read our posts, unregistered users PLUS I think stuff here can be googled.

Wow gif....that's powerful. I don't question it being true either. I know folks around...it's like they are trying so sweep an elephant under a rug and that don't work. They are so very scared. I don't know how else to put it. Very volatile situation when those involved have nothing to lose.

 

[Sunday]

I know many thought that the Rhoden Murders might be connected to the Newsome murders, for obvious reasons, but I had no idea Hannah Gilley and Kristina Newsome were friends! Isn't that a bit too much of a coincidence?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Ok...first I gotta get this out here. The reason I was looking through some of the family tree, I was looking for other Rhodens I was just pondering if there were other family who may work on vehicles with CRSr at his garage, that sort of thing. Needless to say am just got a real headache looking through the branches of that giant tree!
Far as the family tree looking, we could PM each other that is in on the tree search and perhaps email? I would be interested in that if anyone else is. Not real sure I want to put a lot out here, anyone can read our posts, unregistered users PLUS I think stuff here can be googled.

Wow gif....that's powerful. I don't question it being true either. I know folks around...it's like they are trying so sweep an elephant under a rug and that don't work. They are so very scared. I don't know how else to put it. Very volatile situation when those involved have nothing to lose.

Please include me on the list. I am also trying to wade through the family tree.

 

[rsd1200]

I don't mind sharing my info. I don't know how useful it would be to anyone else but I don't mind sharing. I just can't keep all of the initials straight w/o a tree.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I know many thought that the Rhoden Murders might be connected to the Newsome murders, for obvious reasons, but I had no idea Hannah Gilley and Kristina Newsome were friends! Isn't that a bit too much of a coincidence?

There are so many coincidences involved in these murders it boggles the mind. Adding up coincidences, self proclaimed " 9th victims", family dynamics, criminal activities, who was where, when they were there, who is related to who and who said what is overwhelming.

I think I am going to take a break and read the entire court docket and collective opinions of the Supreme Court Justices just to clear my brain after all this. Or maybe just listen to the presidential debates again. Can't be any more confusing than these murders. Lol.