OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #27

[rsd1200]

I can understand the incredible problem that would cause!

In this case, I am thinking that someone in the family may have been involved and I have a budding theory on who that might be. LE is very careful to call JM a "witness". I don't think JM was involved but he might be protecting someone who is. LE is certainly putting the squeeze on him to scare him into talking, IMO.

Agreed, they are, and what if the information that he might know, is that it's possibly inner-family? It is over now, and nothing will bring his family back. What if all his bit of information will do is destroy his parents, and his family, further. What if he gives them his information and it turns out to be that it has nothing to do with the murders, but then he's given up his family, on some other level? We don't know what JM knows about this, if anything. LE is allowed to lie to you too. What if he didn't fail the lie detector test? Why try to keep him incarcerated with a grossly high bond, on a 3rd and 5th degree felony that normally wouldn't have one, nor any jail time? Maybe that's to get someone else to talk, to save JM.

 

[rsd1200]

What had been going on in the family for months and months? Just curious. Other than the fact the Chris Sr and KR had a grow op at their place, I'm not aware of any other activity. Is there something else?

I was referring to the scenario within my extended family. The family members that murdered the other family member, and attempted to murder another, had brewed on it for months and months before they acted.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Agreed, they are, and what if the information that he might know, is that it's possibly inner-family? It is over now, and nothing will bring his family back. What if all his bit of information will do is destroy his parents, and his family, further. What if he gives them his information and it turns out to be that it has nothing to do with the murders, but then he's given up his family, on some other level? We don't know what JM knows about this, if anything. LE is allowed to lie to you too. What if he didn't fail the lie detector test? Why try to keep him incarcerated with a grossly high bond, on a 3rd and 5th degree felony that normally wouldn't have one, nor any jail time? Maybe that's to get someone else to talk, to save JM.

Didn't it come out somewhere way back, that DR and JM's wife had been in a fight just prior to the murders?


I don't know how it will come out with JM, Good I hope, for LM's sake. But I don't think we are dealing with John Boy and the Walton family here. js

 

[molly1255]

I was referring to the scenario within my extended family. The family members that murdered the other family member, and attempted to murder another, had brewed on it for months and months before they acted.

So sorry you had to go through this. I cannot even imagine.

 

[WBF]

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A lot of warrants are written in the absolute broadest manner possible in order to get a judge to agree to sign it, and to give investigators as much leeway as possible when executing the warrant. The prosecutor is probably working on a theory with slim evidence regarding the use of this truck, hence the warrant saying that it may not have been in JM's possession at the time. That is extremely vague. They may know the truck has absolutely nothing to do with this but there is a very minute loose end regarding the truck that they exploited for the sole purpose of tracking him. On the flip side, they may have some very specific evidence directly linking the vehicle to "aggravated murder"(not necessarily the R's), but they don't know who was driving. Something along the line of surveillance footage that positively identified the vehicle but the identity of the driver, and/or passengers, could not be determined. Either way, they were tracking JM, not the truck.



There is absolutely ZERO shred of evidence that any polygraphs were passed or failed. Investigators can plant seeds in people regarding results simply to put some heat on them.

Polygraph results are not admissible in court unless the prosecutor, defendant, and defendant's counsel sign an agreement that the results will be admitted in court, BEFORE the test takes place, and even then a judge can prevent it.

the prosecutor requested the charges be dropped against JM so they can go directly to a grand jury for indictment. had he not done this, evidence supporting the issue of the warrant to install the GPS unit will be revealed. The GJ is only going to hear evidence regarding the tampering and vandalism charges, and evidence necessary for the GJ to determine if there was indeed probable cause to seek the warrant for installing the GPS. The prosecutor will now be able to present that evidence to the GJ without it becoming public, in theory. The only way JM even gets in front of the GJ is if they, the GJ, call him in to try and compel him to speak. HIGHLY unlikely, especially if he has counsel at this point.

Let's assume JM was not involved, however, he has info that the are trying to get from him. There is a high probability that information contains some semblance of a warning that if he speaks, he will go to bed one night and never wake up, along with LM,AM,BJM, etc...

Last, the other thing they could be doing is using this as a tool to get other people in front of a GJ because they know no one trusts LE. LE can say all they want about not charging for other crimes if people come forward, but that isn't necessarily going to get people to talk. Although a GJ is closely linked to the prosecution, the prosecutor nor the GJ are LE, and immunity can be given. LE may say they won't arrest you for what you are admitting to, but that doesn't mean they are not going to use that information to keep an eye on you for potential future issues. Immunity prevents LE from having that info. Exploit that minute loose end to get people in front of a GJ and talking without LE being involved.

 

[bighairdontcare]

The Grand Jury may return a true bill on the indictment and subsequently transfer this case to be heard in a different county- seeing as though this case would be considered high publicity, as well as the threat that JM would probably face much prejudice/bias in his town- and not just from peers....

 

[rsd1200]

So sorry you had to go through this. I cannot even imagine.

Fortunately, it was not my side of the family. I've been watching from a distance. It's something that is rarely talked or spoken about though and then in only hushed tones. I actually found out via the news... I really feel for them. It has been tragic on so many levels. The loss of a child, then sibling went against sibling, and now the rest of the children and grandchildren will quite possibly be visiting their family in prison for the rest of their lives, and then there's the others who will visit one of theirs at the cemetery. That's why, if JM knows something, I can understand his reluctance, based on what it is he may know. If he feels it won't solve anything, but will only further destroy his family, he may not feel it's worth divulging.

 

[OsoTejano]

Considering LE has spent an entire year putting pressure on the Manleys and the Manleys have been cooperating by taking polys, etc. it sounds like LE is working a dry hole so to speak. If JM knows the killers, then LE should have an idea by now of who they are. Might be helpful if LE spent a little manpower putting pressure on the suspects, instead of the witnesses. Until a couple of weeks ago, it doesn't seem they were doing that.

BTW, what ever happened to the guys who were running the "shatter" lab? The discovery of MJ shipments at the local post office and subsequent bust of a shatter lab happened around the time of the Rhoden killings. Early on, we thought these cases might be linked.

Amazingly, it seems Prosecutor Rob Junk actually dismissed charges against the two guys who were buying MJ and using it to manufacture "shatter" in their lab.

Pike prosecutor dropping 'shatter lab' charges

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/s...s-dropped-derek-boyer-aaron-higgins/86145380/





Rob Junk gave one of the most unusual excuses for dropping the felony charges. He's dropping charges, after finding a lab with MJ and shatter, plus equipment, etc. because he needs to "gather more evidence".




There's something really, really wrong with the way Rob Junk does his job.

Kinda makes you wonder if a kid comes from money down there that they get away with some major stuff. IIRC, Boyer is from a fairly prominent local family that runs a funeral home in Waverly.

I agree that Rob Junk's job performance looks pretty suspect.


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[WBF]

The Grand Jury may return a true bill on the indictment and subsequently transfer this case to be heard in a different county- seeing as though this case would be considered high publicity, as well as the threat that JM would probably face much prejudice/bias in his town- and not just from peers....

grand juries do not transfer cases. that is reserved for the trial court and the defense or prosecution to file a motion for a change of venue.

 

[Dudly]

IMO they don't roll out that many personnel (33 cars according to a reporter that counted them) unless they have a good reason, especially SWAT. Those guys don't do searches for evidence. They go in when they have reason to believe there will be resistance or a hostage situation. Three counties, plus BCI and SWAT. No they thought something big was going down. And I don't think they knew JW and company had already blew town.

If that is what you believe, so be it. There is nothing to show that is true...

 

[Dudly]

Agreed. I also would like to believe he was not involved, so for now anyway, I have to think in his heart he does want it solved, he just doesn't want to be the one to provide the information if it will cause further pain and suffering to his or another family close to him. No matter what his thinking is, I hope he has a change of heart.

Maybe he isn't with holding anything. Maybe he doesn't know anything even if the LE think he does..

 

[Nickandnora]

Kinda makes you wonder if a kid comes from money down there that they get away with some major stuff. IIRC, Boyer is from a fairly prominent local family that runs a funeral home in Waverly.

I agree that Rob Junk's job performance looks pretty suspect.


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i recall sheriff Reader and Robert Junk saying they had to send it to be analyzed, as it was a new drug. They were not familiar with it so they couldn't proceed at that time. That was their excuse.

 

[ReadySet]

I am troubled by some attitudes that it's justified to not tell the truth about family members that commit murder and other crimes.

If this is a prevalent belief, it's easy to see why so many crimes go unsolved. People know they could help get justice for others, but they take a short term solution with long term damaging results.

The idea that "they're dead anyway and we can't help them now," and "we'll get justice our own way with 'family' justice," is selfish on the part of those folks, IMO.

It may feel like your solving the problem in the short term, but will damage your family for generations to come. You can't build a strong and healthy family based on secrets and lies.

Appointing yourself judge and jury and circumventing our justice system is a poor foundation for your family.

It's like suicide. It may take your immediate pain away, but damages your family for generations to come.

All JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

If that is what you believe, so be it. There is nothing to show that is true...

There is nothing to show that it is not....

 

[amauet1]

BBM
We don't know for sure what the living


arrangements were, recently, but I think that originally the home was purchased by the brothers for them, their respective girlfriends, and children, to live there together.


Neither of the boys are boys, they're adults. JW was at least 20 when he bought that home, and he had a job. Both boy seem like workers. The Peterson Rd. home is not as large as it looks either if you check the pva. If they all were staying in there, it was probably fairly crowded, especially for a married set of parents, two grown men, and two young children. They could probably make it work though if need be. There was enough property that if one of them wanted their own home, later on, that they could build one.


HMR has a post on her FB, on Nov. 2013 that has her status updated to "Married to JW". A poster asked When??? HMR responded that they weren't married, but they may as well be.


By the time she was expecting S, who was probably born around mid-year of 2014, they'd been together for three years. JW & GW would have known that they were going to become fathers, well before the purchase date of the farm on Peterson. I think becoming fathers, pooling their money on the farm, and their kids and gfs moving in and being one big happy family was the dream in the beginning and then something happened. Idk what happened but it probably started around mid to late July of 2015.

I think, that around the time the home was purchased, (or a little later) , there were 2 married couples and one couple (HMR & JW) who considered themselves as married. Both younger couples, were expecting around the same time to. One had a boy and HMR had S. The couples seemed to have parted around the same time, with HMR and JW first. I know I'm pushing TOS rules so I can't say more. Do some research.

 

[goofyone]

If the parents had a tax lien or civil judgement, that would be a reason for putting the property in the sons name also.


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Also if one parent is in bad health it can be done to keep nursing home c.f.drom taking it..and usually it has to be done a while before entering


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[Adt1984]

I am troubled by some attitudes that it's justified to not tell the truth about family members that commit murder and other crimes.

If this is a prevalent belief, it's easy to see why so many crimes go unsolved. People know they could help get justice for others, but they take a short term solution with long term damaging results.

The idea that "they're dead anyway and we can't help them now," and "we'll get justice our own way with 'family' justice," is selfish on the part of those folks, IMO.

It may feel like your solving the problem in the short term, but will damage your family for generations to come. You can't build a strong and healthy family based on secrets and lies.

Appointing yourself judge and jury and circumventing our justice system is a poor foundation for your family.

It's like suicide. It may take your immediate pain away, but damages your family for generations to come.

All JMO

I couldn't agree more!!!! I can't believe some of the things I've read.... very disturbing to say the least. Not telling and keeping secrets for those involved in illegal activity? Justify it how you will, whatever let's you sleep at night. I couldn't live with myself.
JMO.

 

[Betty P]

I am troubled by some attitudes that it's justified to not tell the truth about family members that commit murder and other crimes.

If this is a prevalent belief, it's easy to see why so many crimes go unsolved. People know they could help get justice for others, but they take a short term solution with long term damaging results.

The idea that "they're dead anyway and we can't help them now," and "we'll get justice our own way with 'family' justice," is selfish on the part of those folks, IMO.

It may feel like your solving the problem in the short term, but will damage your family for generations to come. You can't build a strong and healthy family based on secrets and lies.

Appointing yourself judge and jury and circumventing our justice system is a poor foundation for your family.

It's like suicide. It may take your immediate pain away, but damages your family for generations to come.

All JMO

Are you referring to comments made by members here in this thread? Thanks in advance for clarifying your comment.

:seeya:

 

[Obiwankenobi]

A few things that have me thinking, and these are all really random and All over the place, but: how is it that 2 or more people have committed such a horrible crime and have managed to keep themselves under the radar for 13 months? How can 2 or more average Joes pull a crime of this magnitude, and when I say average Joes, I mean anyone who is not a hired hit man or a professional to this type of crime? I looked up the death penalty in Ohio, it seems they do support lethal injection but have not injected anyone in 3 years. And, if it's a hung jury, meaning if just 1 person opposes the death penalty, it automatically defaults to life. They have supposedly started back up this year. So, is it safe to assume the death penalty will be sought out for these perps? And if so, and the perps know this, what's adding a few more to their list? I say this because if JM is not a poi, he and his family are still in danger whether he tells all or not! So are any other members of the family, including the W's. I find it odd that after combing through multiple properties associated with the W's, nothing is being said or talked about in the media but they are all over JM.

I have believed for a long time now that LE knows who did this, they need witness testimony due to the lack of evidence left behind. It's possible we never saw these "grow ops" as they were inside the trailers and that could be one reason they decided to move them all.

It sickens me to know that the 16 year possibly knew what was happening and tried to hide. That hurts my heart.

I know some believe KR was a crime of opportunity but from what his family has said is that A. He had a job a little ways away and B. He was usually up early. For this very reason, I believe he was part of the other 7. I could totally be wrong.

At the end of the day, we may not all agree and we all see things differently but we all have 1 thing, at least, in common. We all want to know who and why! We all want answers. No one theory is better than the other!

Does anyone know where glf is these days?

And, for the locals posting on here, I really appreciate what you all do, getting the inside, yet, still outside scoop for us that are far away! It's always exciting to have your input and the photos.

 

[Betty P]

I couldn't agree more!!!! I can't believe some of the things I've read.... very disturbing to say the least. Not telling and keeping secrets for those involved in illegal activity? Justify it how you will, whatever let's you sleep at night. I couldn't live with myself.
JMO.

Ditto for above. Are you referring to comments by members in this thread? If so, can you provide an example? Thanks!