OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #27

[rsd1200]

Tires can be switched to other vehicles Hmmmmm.......

This is true. That would have been a good thing to have done very early in the investigation, but, they may have. I guess my problem with it is that I think they really pushed the line on the "why and how" they put the gps tracker on there. If they'd gotten b/c they said that JM was a witness, or JM was a suspect, I'd be okay with that. I'm not okay with saying they are tracking "the truck". A 20 year old truck, that JM didn't have until a few months ago, b/c IT was possibly used in a crime. I felt they should put the tracker on the person's NEW truck, (who was driving JM's truck), at the time of the murders last year. Seems like that would have been the right truck to track.

 

[amauet1]

I was trying to be "vague", earlier. Hope I'm not going against TOS but, I've a feeling the same offer was issued and there have been some type of visits granted. I'm with you. I think they're on a vacation. Possibly extended, but there's just too many animals on that farm for them to be gone too long, unless they managed to sell them all or the new buyers wanted them all. I didn't realize there were so many. I think there's another home further south in the state. I'm almost 100%.

I've not seen glf on in forever. Not in any of the other rooms either. I may have missed her though. I loosely follow a couple other threads and read new stuff that pops up.

Guess who has shared the same lawyer as JM has in the past? Boulger. Go to Ross Co Court Records. Hmmmmmmm.........

 

[Dirty]

Didn't these people ever sleep? And is it usual to start a job at 8am and finish at 11pm?

No I did it all summer same time ...


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[pamelado2]

I know some believe KR was a crime of opportunity but from what his family has said is that A. He had a job a little ways away and B. He was usually up early. For this very reason, I believe he was part of the other 7. I could totally be wrong.

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I agree, in an interview with his daughter she said she started calling him that morning when she found out but got no answer and thought he was working. DS said he had expected a call at 5:30am from Kenneth because they were supposed to start working on the cars they got the day before

 

[Dudly]

I agree, in an interview with his daughter she said she started calling him that morning when she found out but got no answer and thought he was working. DS said he had expected a call at 5:30am from Kenneth because they were supposed to start working on the cars they got the day before

From DS's comment KR would have to be taking a day off work to work on cars. Did KR take a day off work often? Where were the cars? No
sign of cars at KR's place in the pics.

 

[Flatbush]

Could you provide a web address to search at? I am curious, but cannot locate.
I have to say Boulger has a very good reputation as an attorney.
I would love to be a fly in some of these offices, LE, BCI....to know what is going on.
W's do not appear to be back yet...
Not accusing, but but I do want to agree with an earlier post. BCI and all their crew who went to search at the Ws, did not do it just to get out of the office that day. They had to have something big to do that.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

For me, personally, I'm not condoning, "not telling", I'm pointing out that it may be a very difficult situation. Those who may think they know something, may be unsure that it is something that will turn out to be significant, and if it isn't, then they've jumped the gun and earned the scorn of their family for suspecting them to be involved in any way. No one wants to hurt their family further. If they are sure, or unsure, they may continue to hope that another family member will speak up, OR that LE will find the link, and they won't have to speak up. Speaking out against the people who you have been raised with, and sat and ate at their tables, would be no easy thing. If LM, or any other family member, even knows anything to begin with. We don't know that they do know anything. In the situation I spoke of, anger had brewed for months, but they thought that LE would handle it, and when they didn't feel that LE had, anger prevailed. Someone died and they're facing life in prison. Could I go to LE if my sister killed my brother? I can't even think that it would happen, let alone what I would do.

I have thought a lot about this since you first began posting about it.

As far as the brother/sister thing, no one has the right to take a loved one from me, not even another loved one.

You asked "Would you turn your parents/child/siblings/other relative in for killing someone."

If I knew or had information to suspect they killed someone I would sit them down and tell them what I know then give them the chance to turn themselves in and maybe try to plead guilty to a lesser charge like manslaughter. But I would make it very clear that if they did not make that call, I would make it for them.

That being said I would like to take a moment and address the other side of the coin. If my parents/siblings/child/other relative kills someone, then they don't care much about the rest of their family or they wouldn't put them in the position of having to report them. It would be extremely selfish of a family member to place other family members in the middle of that simply because they cannot control their impulses. It shows a supreme lack of respect for your family.

Also there would be the question of safety of other family members. If that family member cannot control themselves to the extent of murder, what would stop them from going off the deep end and killing another family member at some later date for some real or imagined event?

It is a hard moral dilemma, but in the end, no one has the right to take the life of someone else.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This is true. That would have been a good thing to have done very early in the investigation, but, they may have. I guess my problem with it is that I think they really pushed the line on the "why and how" they put the gps tracker on there. If they'd gotten b/c they said that JM was a witness, or JM was a suspect, I'd be okay with that. I'm not okay with saying they are tracking "the truck". A 20 year old truck, that JM didn't have until a few months ago, b/c IT was possibly used in a crime. I felt they should put the tracker on the person's NEW truck, (who was driving JM's truck), at the time of the murders last year. Seems like that would have been the right truck to track.

I have wondered about this myself. But LM said when asked who JM bought the truck from "some friend, I don't remember". If JM bought the truck from a friend, then he could have borrowed that truck from the friend and been driving it the night of the murders.

 

[Betty P]

From DS's comment KR would have to be taking a day off work to work on cars. Did KR take a day off work often? Where were the cars? No
sign of cars at KR's place in the pics.

This video shows 2 trucks and 1 car at KR's place. It's about 10 seconds into the video.

[video=youtube;TwqBxMf-6Lc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwqBxMf-6Lc[/video]

Not saying DS isn't a suspicious person in KR's death. If LE focused on him as a killer, it might not be too difficult to make a case. DS didn't have a car at that time, IIRC, and would have had a difficult time getting rid of the weapon. Does anyone recall seeing LE doing any extensive searches in the area of Left Fork Rd.? All I can find is video of them guarding the crime scene. They probably searched the place where he was living and checked him and his clothing for gun shot residue.

DS probably knows who the killers are, though. Also think it wouldn't have been difficult for LE to get him to tell what he knows. If the killers were the Manleys and DS told LE, there would have been arrests for murder by now. But if DS told them who he "thought" the killers were or didn't know for sure who ordered the killings, that would explain them putting pressure on JM and BJM. That seems to be the theory as they accused BJM of taking money from someone to kill the Rhodens.

JMO, DS told what he knew (or some approximation) to LE very early on. That's why they're not pressuring him now as they are with JM. It just wasn't enough information or it was the wrong information.

 

[Dudly]

Could you provide a web address to search at? I am curious, but cannot locate.
I have to say Boulger has a very good reputation as an attorney.
I would love to be a fly in some of these offices, LE, BCI....to know what is going on.
W's do not appear to be back yet...
Not accusing, but but I do want to agree with an earlier post. BCI and all their crew who went to search at the Ws, did not do it just to get out of the office that day. They had to have something big to do that.

Or they are trying to appease people complaining about nothing being done.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Could you provide a web address to search at? I am curious, but cannot locate.
I have to say Boulger has a very good reputation as an attorney.
I would love to be a fly in some of these offices, LE, BCI....to know what is going on.
W's do not appear to be back yet...
Not accusing, but but I do want to agree with an earlier post. BCI and all their crew who went to search at the Ws, did not do it just to get out of the office that day. They had to have something big to do that.

They didn't drag all that specialized personnel out there for warm bodies to search either. That's what auxiliary personnel is for. Those specialized units, SWAT, Drug task force, ect have one job to do and that is the job they are trained for.

The Franklin county sheriff said he sent his SWAT team out to search for suspects. But after talking to BCI he quickly went public and said he was wrong, he sent them out to search for evidence. Yeah, right. I don't believe for a second he didn't know why he was sending his own team out on a site. Those guys have to be informed as to why they are there before they go out. To me his first statement was the truth and that means that someone in the W family is a suspect, and they fully expected that suspect to be present and to offer some resistance. Maybe even use a child as a hostage. I think BCI hushed him up and are keeping it low key now because they fear for the safety of that child/children who are on that "vacation". We haven't heard another peep out of reporters about those searches either so I think they too have been warned off that story, maybe with the promise of a larger story later.

As far as the Highway 23 drug task force, they were there to find evidence of drug trafficking and for no other reason. Did they find evidence? Only time will tell, but they sure had to have a reason to expect they would, or they would not have been there. Then there is that trailer they towed belonging to the W's. What was in it that they needed to get it back to the crime lab?

We too have gotten sidetracked by the JM story. I believe that LE suspects JM has information and they did put a tracker on his truck to see where he was going. But his arrest for taking it off, coming over a week after they knew it had been taken off, was a diversion tactic to get the focus off those searches on W's property.

I am leaning toward CR1, KR, JM, the W's and maybe others being in a criminal activity involving drug trafficking. I think the W's were the ones who ran it all and CR1, KR and JM were paid to store it or maybe take it a short distance. Like to St. Paris, Lima, or Columbus Ohio. Or bring it from one of those places in a car bought at an auction and store it for safekeeping until it could be moved further down the line, maybe in a horse trailer that is going to a horse show. I believe the R's, M's and W's were connected in this ring and maybe others also. We don't know how big it is but according to Charlie Reader it is big.

We have no way of knowing if they kept any of those cars they towed. They could have kept a few "special" ones that tested positive for drugs having been in them.

 

[Betty P]

They didn't drag all that specialized personnel out there for warm bodies to search either. That's what auxiliary personnel is for. Those specialized units, SWAT, Drug task force, ect have one job to do and that is the job they are trained for.

The Franklin county sheriff said he sent his SWAT team out to search for suspects. But after talking to BCI he quickly went public and said he was wrong, he sent them out to search for evidence. Yeah, right. I don't believe for a second he didn't know why he was sending his own team out on a site. To me his first statement was the truth and that means that someone in the W family is a suspect, and they fully expected that suspect to be present and to offer some resistance. Maybe even use a child as a hostage. I think BCI hushed him up and are keeping it low key now because they fear for the safety of that child/children who are on that "vacation". We haven't heard another peep out of reporters about those searches either so I think they too have been warned off that story, maybe with the promise of a larger story later.

As far as the Highway 23 drug task force, they were there to find evidence of drug trafficking and for no other reason. Did they find evidence? Only time will tell, but they sure had to have a reason to expect the would, or they would not have been there. Then there is that trailer they towed belonging to the W's. What was in it that they needed to get it back to the crime lab?

We too have gotten sidetracked by the JM story. I believe that LE suspects JM has information and they did put a tracker on his truck to see where he was going. But his arrest for taking it off, coming over a week after they knew it had been taken off, was a diversion tactic to get the focus off those searches on W's property.

I am leaning toward CR1, KR, JM, the W's and maybe others being in a criminal activity involving drug trafficking. I think the W's were the ones who ran it all and CR1, KR and JM were paid to store it or maybe take it a short distance. Like to St. Paris, Lima, or Columbus Ohio. Or bring it from one of those places in a car bought at an auction and store it for safekeeping until it could be moved further down the line, maybe in a horse trailer that is going to a horse show. I believe the R's, M's and W's were connected in this ring and maybe others also. We don't know how big it is but according to Charlie Reader it is big.

We have no way of knowing if they kept any of those cars they towed. They could have kept a few "special" ones that tested positive for drugs having been in them.

JMO, it may be a little of both. I can't decide. It's possible some of LE thought the W's would be there, but others knew they wouldn't. Perhaps some knew they had left town, but didn't bother passing that information along. I'm trying to give LE the benefit of the doubt, but someone in LE had to know. Right hand vs left hand? IDK. But it's hard to avoid the suspicion that, with W's safely out of town, the high profile arrest of JM makes it look like someone is ready to pin the murders on him instead. It takes the heat off and switches the focus from W's to JM.

Ask me again tomorrow and I may change my mind, haha. :gaah: I'll feel more convinced LE/prosecutor is trying to solve this when I see them attempting to find the W's to question them.

ETA: And yes, agree about the possible history of the W family, CR Sr and the MJ business. It would fit into DeWine's remarks about criminal activity going back decades. Some people in this extended network have probably been in this business for a long time, possibly multiple generations. :couch:

 

[RAISINISBACK]

JMO, it may be a little of both. I can't decide. It's possible some of LE thought the W's would be there, but others knew they wouldn't. Perhaps some knew they had left town, but didn't bother passing that information along. I'm trying to give LE the benefit of the doubt, but someone in LE had to know. Right hand vs left hand? IDK. But it's hard to avoid the suspicion that, with W's safely out of town, the high profile arrest of JM makes it look like someone is ready to pin the murders on him instead. It takes the heat off and switches the focus from W's to JM.

Ask me again tomorrow and I may change my mind, haha. :gaah: I'll feel more convinced LE/prosecutor is trying to solve this when I see them attempting to find the W's to question them.

ETA: And yes, agree about the possible history of the W family, CR Sr and the MJ business. It would fit into DeWine's remarks about criminal activity going back decades. Some people in this extended network have probably been in this business for a long time, possibly multiple generations. :couch:

BBM

We don't know that LE is not trying to find them. The W's have went silent on SM and are no longer posting photos of their "vacation". It's like they disappeared into the great Alaskan wilderness. Or are sitting in a great Alaskan jail.

 

[goofyone]

BBM

We don't know that LE is not trying to find them. The W's have went silent on SM and are no longer posting photos of their "vacation". It's like they disappeared into the great Alaskan wilderness. Or are sitting in a great Alaskan jail.

Or they're really on vacation and are not sitting on their phones all day and are spending time with their kids/grandkids

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[rsd1200]

Could you provide a web address to search at? I am curious, but cannot locate.
I have to say Boulger has a very good reputation as an attorney.
I would love to be a fly in some of these offices, LE, BCI....to know what is going on.
W's do not appear to be back yet...
Not accusing, but but I do want to agree with an earlier post. BCI and all their crew who went to search at the Ws, did not do it just to get out of the office that day. They had to have something big to do that.

Do you think that the Ws leaving instigated the search, or do you feel they may have been tipped off that a vacation may be due? There were tons of animals on that farm, I guess the new owners bought it with the animals?

 

[rsd1200]

I have thought a lot about this since you first began posting about it.

As far as the brother/sister thing, no one has the right to take a loved one from me, not even another loved one.

You asked "Would you turn your parents/child/siblings/other relative in for killing someone."

If I knew or had information to suspect they killed someone I would sit them down and tell them what I know then give them the chance to turn themselves in and maybe try to plead guilty to a lesser charge like manslaughter. But I would make it very clear that if they did not make that call, I would make it for them.

That being said I would like to take a moment and address the other side of the coin. If my parents/siblings/child/other relative kills someone, then they don't care much about the rest of their family or they wouldn't put them in the position of having to report them. It would be extremely selfish of a family member to place other family members in the middle of that simply because they cannot control their impulses. It shows a supreme lack of respect for your family.

Also there would be the question of safety of other family members. If that family member cannot control themselves to the extent of murder, what would stop them from going off the deep end and killing another family member at some later date for some real or imagined event?

It is a hard moral dilemma, but in the end, no one has the right to take the life of someone else.

BBM
These things would play out the most for me and the last sentence is why I would have to be recused from a death penalty case. I'd hope that I could sit them down, somewhere safe, and talk to them about turning themselves in, but, as you state, if they've killed once, they may kill again, and the safety of my s/o, kids, and grandkids would be uppermost in my thoughts, if the family member knew, that we knew, what they'd done. So I'd have to think of a way to tread lightly. There are cases that they call, the heat of passion, or heat of the moment, but I don't see the Rhoden/Gilley case as the same as that. I could talk to someone about the former. I'd have to really think about my family, if it were a case of the latter. If this person has killed eight of us, they'll kill a few more, no problem.

Note, just to wind up the case I used as example:
In the case that's affecting the other side of my family, a child ran for help, so no one was put into this predicament at a later date. It was all instantaneous. I know that my family member loves their family, and their cousin, who died, as well. It was a tragedy all the way around. The parents who lost the child, firmly believed that the other family members had something to do with it and that LE was wrong. It had brewed for over a year between siblings. It came to a head right after the announcement was made that the death was natural causes.

 

[Dirty]

A few things that have me thinking, and these are all really random and All over the place, but: how is it that 2 or more people have committed such a horrible crime and have managed to keep themselves under the radar for 13 months? How can 2 or more average Joes pull a crime of this magnitude, and when I say average Joes, I mean anyone who is not a hired hit man or a professional to this type of crime? I looked up the death penalty in Ohio, it seems they do support lethal injection but have not injected anyone in 3 years. And, if it's a hung jury, meaning if just 1 person opposes the death penalty, it automatically defaults to life. They have supposedly started back up this year. So, is it safe to assume the death penalty will be sought out for these perps? And if so, and the perps know this, what's adding a few more to their list? I say this because if JM is not a poi, he and his family are still in danger whether he tells all or not! So are any other members of the family, including the W's. I find it odd that after combing through multiple properties associated with the W's, nothing is being said or talked about in the media but they are all over JM.

I have believed for a long time now that LE knows who did this, they need witness testimony due to the lack of evidence left behind. It's possible we never saw these "grow ops" as they were inside the trailers and that could be one reason they decided to move them all.

It sickens me to know that the 16 year possibly knew what was happening and tried to hide. That hurts my heart.

I know some believe KR was a crime of opportunity but from what his family has said is that A. He had a job a little ways away and B. He was usually up early. For this very reason, I believe he was part of the other 7. I could totally be wrong.

At the end of the day, we may not all agree and we all see things differently but we all have 1 thing, at least, in common. We all want to know who and why! We all want answers. No one theory is better than the other!

Does anyone know where glf is these days?

And, for the locals posting on here, I really appreciate what you all do, getting the inside, yet, still outside scoop for us that are far away! It's always exciting to have your input and the photos.

What photos?? I must've missed them


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[rsd1200]

I have wondered about this myself. But LM said when asked who JM bought the truck from "some friend, I don't remember". If JM bought the truck from a friend, then he could have borrowed that truck from the friend and been driving it the night of the murders.

But the wording was, that they were tracking the truck that was used in the murders,not JM. The warrant never names JM as a suspect.

 

[rsd1200]

This video shows 2 trucks and 1 car at KR's place. It's about 10 seconds into the video.

[video=youtube;TwqBxMf-6Lc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwqBxMf-6Lc[/video]

Not saying DS isn't a suspicious person in KR's death. If LE focused on him as a killer, it might not be too difficult to make a case. DS didn't have a car at that time, IIRC, and would have had a difficult time getting rid of the weapon. Does anyone recall seeing LE doing any extensive searches in the area of Left Fork Rd.? All I can find is video of them guarding the crime scene. They probably searched the place where he was living and checked him and his clothing for gun shot residue.

DS probably knows who the killers are, though. Also think it wouldn't have been difficult for LE to get him to tell what he knows. If the killers were the Manleys and DS told LE, there would have been arrests for murder by now. But if DS told them who he "thought" the killers were or didn't know for sure who ordered the killings, that would explain them putting pressure on JM and BJM. That seems to be the theory as they accused BJM of taking money from someone to kill the Rhodens.

JMO, DS told what he knew (or some approximation) to LE very early on. That's why they're not pressuring him now as they are with JM. It just wasn't enough information or it was the wrong information.

I don't think I've seen that video. Thanks for that! I've always taken it that they were going to work on some type of derby cars. I've never heard that anywhere but derby season was coming up and KR loved those derbies and used to participate in them when he was younger iirc. I had kind of always seen them going to get up early and go to someone's garage and work on them (possibly at CR1 and FR place). I don't think DS was the trigger man but he's sketchy. When all your kin bails from your sm on the R side, something ain't right.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Do you think that the Ws leaving instigated the search, or do you feel they may have been tipped off that a vacation may be due? There were tons of animals on that farm, I guess the new owners bought it with the animals?

I think they were tipped off by JM when he told them he found a tracker on his truck. The date he found it and the date they left is pretty close. Then again he could have found it a day or so earlier, told them, then waited for them to get out of town before destroying it.

The animals is one of the things fishy about that "vacation". But they could be paying someone to feed the animals until they are sold. BJM maybe? That seems to be her area of expertise.