BBM
These things would play out the most for me and the last sentence is why I would have to be recused from a death penalty case. I'd hope that I could sit them down, somewhere safe, and talk to them about turning themselves in, but, as you state, if they've killed once, they may kill again, and the safety of my s/o, kids, and grandkids would be uppermost in my thoughts, if the family member knew, that we knew, what they'd done. So I'd have to think of a way to tread lightly. There are cases that they call, the heat of passion, or heat of the moment, but I don't see the Rhoden/Gilley case as the same as that. I could talk to someone about the former. I'd have to really think about my family, if it were a case of the latter. If this person has killed eight of us, they'll kill a few more, no problem.
Note, just to wind up the case I used as example:
In the case that's affecting the other side of my family, a child ran for help, so no one was put into this predicament at a later date. It was all instantaneous. I know that my family member loves their family, and their cousin, who died, as well. It was a tragedy all the way around. The parents who lost the child, firmly believed that the other family members had something to do with it and that LE was wrong. It had brewed for over a year between siblings. It came to a head right after the announcement was made that the death was natural causes.
Or they're really on vacation and are not sitting on their phones all day and are spending time with their kids/grandkids
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They didn't drag all that specialized personnel out there for warm bodies to search either. That's what auxiliary personnel is for. Those specialized units, SWAT, Drug task force, ect have one job to do and that is the job they are trained for.
The Franklin county sheriff said he sent his SWAT team out to search for suspects. But after talking to BCI he quickly went public and said he was wrong, he sent them out to search for evidence. Yeah, right. I don't believe for a second he didn't know why he was sending his own team out on a site. Those guys have to be informed as to why they are there before they go out. To me his first statement was the truth and that means that someone in the W family is a suspect, and they fully expected that suspect to be present and to offer some resistance. Maybe even use a child as a hostage. I think BCI hushed him up and are keeping it low key now because they fear for the safety of that child/children who are on that "vacation". We haven't heard another peep out of reporters about those searches either so I think they too have been warned off that story, maybe with the promise of a larger story later.
As far as the Highway 23 drug task force, they were there to find evidence of drug trafficking and for no other reason. Did they find evidence? Only time will tell, but they sure had to have a reason to expect they would, or they would not have been there. Then there is that trailer they towed belonging to the W's. What was in it that they needed to get it back to the crime lab?
We too have gotten sidetracked by the JM story. I believe that LE suspects JM has information and they did put a tracker on his truck to see where he was going. But his arrest for taking it off, coming over a week after they knew it had been taken off, was a diversion tactic to get the focus off those searches on W's property.
I am leaning toward CR1, KR, JM, the W's and maybe others being in a criminal activity involving drug trafficking. I think the W's were the ones who ran it all and CR1, KR and JM were paid to store it or maybe take it a short distance. Like to St. Paris, Lima, or Columbus Ohio. Or bring it from one of those places in a car bought at an auction and store it for safekeeping until it could be moved further down the line, maybe in a horse trailer that is going to a horse show. I believe the R's, M's and W's were connected in this ring and maybe others also. We don't know how big it is but according to Charlie Reader it is big.
We have no way of knowing if they kept any of those cars they towed. They could have kept a few "special" ones that tested positive for drugs having been in them.
I think they were tipped off by JM when he told them he found a tracker on his truck. The date he found it and the date they left is pretty close. Then again he could have found it a day or so earlier, told them, then waited for them to get out of town before destroying it.
The animals is one of the things fishy about that "vacation". But they could be paying someone to feed the animals until they are sold. BJM maybe? That seems to be her area of expertise.
BBM
Agree w/first three. Last sentence, I think that it is possible that the your theory on the Ws and Rs could be a possibility. This could be a valid theory, but the murders still have nothing to do with drugs, at the end of the day. Reader said the murders had nothing to do with drugs but the murders had opened crime that they'd not formerly known about (loosely quoting).
BBM
I don't think JM is covering for a family member. I don't think he is the killer either. I think he is withholding information that LE needs to make a case against the killers to cover his own hiney. That is why they are calling him a witness. He has seen or has knowledge of things that are pertinent to the prosecution of the case against the killers. And I don't think he is doing that to protect his family. I think the only thing he is afraid of is going to prison for a long time.
Excellent analysis. You guys are brilliant with your observations. A motive that ties it all together. Something always seems to prick up my ears when I read the Rhoden thread, thanks to everyone who posts here.That would mean that Reader has been telling the truth all along. The murders don't have anything to do with drugs, but has to do with a falling out among the members of a drug trafficking ring. Maybe over the custody of a child?
If as my theory goes the W's were the "Boss Hogg" of the operation, then when they demanded that HR sign away her parental rights and she and CR1 refused, that may have made them furious as they would have seen that as disobedience to someone who was used to their orders being followed to the letter. Couple that with the fact that CR1 may have threatened to bring them all down if they went after custody of SW. I can see that as a motive for murder. After all the W's have a lot to lose, ranch, money, reputation ect.
That would mean that Reader has been telling the truth all along. The murders don't have anything to do with drugs, but has to do with a falling out among the members of a drug trafficking ring. Maybe over the custody of a child?
If as my theory goes the W's were the "Boss Hogg" of the operation, then when they demanded that HR sign away her parental rights and she and CR1 refused, that may have made them furious as they would have seen that as disobedience to someone who was used to their orders being followed to the letter. Couple that with the fact that CR1 may have threatened to bring them all down if they went after custody of SW. I can see that as a motive for murder. After all the W's have a lot to lose, ranch, money, reputation ect.
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I think we're toying with the same theory. I'm not 100% sold that JM has anything to do with it though. Is it possible he was used? I think that's possible. Is it b/c I don't want him to have been in on it? Yes. I admit that too. I think it is odd that JW changed the color of his hair at that time period too. Does it mean he had anything to do with this? Not in and of itself, no. Could be another freaky coincidence. There's a whole bunch of them.
ETA: In that Reader interview, one of the folks who came in early, from FBI or BCI (can't remember off hand), said it wasn't about drugs too.
Well, it's earthquakes for ya'll and tornado watches for us. If I drop off of here, it means I've probably been swept away.
Live with earthquakes all the time....south of Wichita, KS....they are always scary. I hope all are okay.
I think they were tipped off by JM when he told them he found a tracker on his truck. The date he found it and the date they left is pretty close. Then again he could have found it a day or so earlier, told them, then waited for them to get out of town before destroying it.
The animals is one of the things fishy about that "vacation". But they could be paying someone to feed the animals until they are sold. BJM maybe? That seems to be her area of expertise.
Above all be safe. Keep an eye on the sky, the saying goes.
I have both earthquakes and tornadoes here. Fracking.
Here's a timeline I put together for the recent events in the case, based on interviews with BB, the friend of JW on whose farm JW stored his trailers.
Saturday, April 22, 2017
Pike County LE place a GPS tracking device on truck owned by James Manley, brother of Dana Manley Rhoden. LE claims it was placed there because the truck was related to an aggravated murder case
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ng-pike-county-massacre-case-court/101773632/
Friday, April 28, 2017
11:35 am - James Manley finds and removes tracking device and destroys it
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ng-pike-county-massacre-case-court/101773632/
About May 5, 2017
Jacob Wagner asks ___ Brown if he can store some trailers on his property. He tells him his farm is sold and he and his brother have found good paying jobs “up north” and are moving there. He needs to move out of farm for new owners. He drops the 3 trailers at the Brown property "a week before the search".
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...assacre-more-search-details-emerge/101713414/
May 5 – May 12, 2017
Sometime after dropping off 3 trailers loaded with furniture and personal possessions, JW and family leave the area. Later posts on FB show photos of them in a location resembling areas in Alaska or Canada.
Friday, May 12, 2017
Abt 11 am - PCSO, BCI, Adams County SO, Ohio Dept of Corrections STAR and other Ohio LE agencies conduct a search at properties related to Jacob Wagner & family.
260 Peterson Rd, Peebles, OH – farm formerly owned by Wagner’s parents, where JW resided with his mother, father, brother, daughter SRW and daughter of his brother G.
Unlimited Motors, St Hwy 41, Peebles, OH – Auto repair business and farm of ___ Brown, friend of J W
There was a gap of 1 to 2 weeks between the time JM destroyed the GPS tracker and JW leaving the area with his family. That should have been enough time to question JW and possibly arrest him before he left. If LE was able to arrest JM for removing the tracking device on his truck, surely they could have found a way to detain JW.
If they did find anything of importance during the searches last weekend, they should arrange to find JW and arrest him.
BBM
I think it is possible that the R's and M's were paid to move the drugs across the state of Ohio maybe. From south to north or vice versa. JM went to work over 2 hours away every day. So did KR. CR1 bought cars and hauled them back, sometimes from long distances. They may have been paid to store them also. I think the W's were the main players e.g. bringing them in and moving them along the pipeline, since that seems to be where the money is.
It is getting ridiculous around here, isn't it? I will take a tornado any day, you can hide from them at least.