OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #27

[Yvettea]

Or maybe the Ws?

No I meant the Manleys, just had the Rhodens on my mind

 

[amauet1]

IIRC DR was working an extra shift because a co-worked didn't work that day. I think is was something she hadn't planned on, but maybe she knew in advance.

As for the late hours -- I'm a night owl as is my best friend, it would not be at all unusual for us to talk/text/email each other after midnight.

Also Rixey they were dealing, and way back in my party days I seen a lot of the dawn hours!!!! All night into the morning was nothing to me.

 

[molly1255]

To add, JM does have a prior record. It is public record in Pike Co. This doesn't mean that he was involved in the murders of his family, but it does indicate he has had problems with the law in the past.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

We have only JW's word on what time he picked SR up. How do we know it was 10:30 PM and not 2:00 AM? Then again who says they were all alive when he left with SR?

:yeahthat:

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think you are correct. I've been thinking on this AK angle w/JW. Those folks went all over getting those unique horse breeds, furry pigs, and giant breed dogs, and such. They likely had passports (in some US states you'll need to show them to fly, if they don't get their state DL system on board OR if the drove into Canada). It didn't look as if they took too much stuff with them either. We don't really know how much of a head start they had but they were a family of OTR truckers so head north and hop an airline from Windsor (or wherever) to AK. I've never wanted to flee the country before so I'm just pondering options.

My state better step up their game or I am going to have to use my passport to go to the post office let alone fly in a plane.

From everything I read and hear most people think if they get into trouble they can run to either Mexico or Canada or Alaska and hide.

Mexico because they think it is such a backward country they can buy off the police and live in peace. Big mistake. Mexican authorities are just like the police in the USA. There are a few bad apples that will sell out to the cartels not for money,but for protection for their families. And there is a very bad vibe down there right now against Americans. My daughter in law is from Mexico and still has family there so she keeps up with national trends. Also Mexicans watch TV and have cable and are very current with the news. For instance my DIL's mother called her 10 minutes after it aired on the news that a tornado hit here asking if she was ok. Anyone in Mexico would love to have that 10000.00 reward.

They think Canada because they can "live off the land" and disappear into the wilderness. You might be able to live off the land in the USA where there is a town no less than 25 miles away, but anyone who thinks they can do the same in the Canadian wilderness has never been to the Canada wilderness. Towns there are sometimes 100 miles apart and the people in those tiny one building towns are very curious. They don't have a lot else to do besides watch TV and gossip with everyone who comes through. They too are very current on news from the USA. Again anyone in the Canadian wilderness would love to share in any rewards.

They think Alaska because it is seen as this huge vast space you can disappear in. Big mistake. In reality most of the northern parts of Alaska are inhabitable and the parts that are habitable are not much different than Pike County. Not much room to hide.

Mexico and Canada have extradition treaties with the USA. Mexico will not extradite Mexican citizens or anyone born in Mexico if the death penalty is in play, but Americans are fair game. They deport them back to the USA ASAP. Alaska is obviously going to extradite.

Like the old saying. You can run but you can't hide. Or is that you can hide but you can't run? Well something like that anyway.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

My main theory from early on has been that custody was one of the key motivations behind the murders sad as it may be.

LM's revelation that HMR was being pressured to sign over custody shortly before the murders is some pretty serious conflict IMO.

Given that there have been many cases of people committing murder to solve domestic issues, it's not much of a stretch here. Courts cost money for lawyers and such and the outcome is anything but certain.

However to kill 8 people to solve a custody issue is certainly unlike anything I have ever heard of. One theory is that most of the killings may have been done to do a couple of things. The first would be to obscure the true motive behind the killings. Given all of the fights, alleged MJ grows, cars, demo derby feuds etc. there have been a lot of potential directions for the investigation to go. If just HMR, or even HMR, DR, and CRjr were killed, there would be a lot fewer potential motives. Also, the person(s) behind this may have have had a lot of anger towards several of the victims, may have even blamed them for the whole custody/relationship failure.


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There was no one left in the immediate Rhoden family capable of fighting for custody of S after the massacre. The problem of custody was completely solved for the family who wanted custody of S. How convenient for them.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I think that LE have a very good reason they are "sweating" the Manley's. I'm sorry but I get a very bad vibe from that family and have since day one. If they keep reviewing them (poly's) they must think their holding out about something.
For someone that is so upset by this, why is LM constantly in the "spot light"? Me personally, I think someone is a lot smarter than they appear to be. If he's trying to protect his family, why does he keep making statements that (sound to me) like their more involved with this. These families lived close to each other and appear to have been up in each other's business all the time. And now he says that AM was talking to DR that night. They either know who or were part of it IMO. And how did this dirt poor family come up with the first 4000.00 let alone the other 4000.00 in 1 day?

I don't think JM executed his sister and her entire family. It angers me that his bail is so high for smashing a $300 object. I'd give some money for his bail and others probably feel like I do. I hope his someone starts him a ******** to get the rest of bail money.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Do any of the locals know if the Wagners are at their Ohio home tonight?

 

[Betty P]

To add, JM does have a prior record. It is public record in Pike Co. This doesn't mean that he was involved in the murders of his family, but it does indicate he has had problems with the law in the past.

Yeah, I checked that out earlier. He had some traffic citations about 10 or so years ago for not wearing a seat belt and speeding.. An OVI in 2006, the case was dismissed, in 2009 a menacing charge 4th degree misdemeanor. Fined $70.

http://pikecountycourt.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi

Nothing for drugs or violent offenses.

LE obviously thinks he has information about who killed his family and in-laws. IMO, he knows who did it. But for reasons only he knows, he doesn't want to divulge. He may be worried about the safety of himself and his family. He may have had some hint that something was going to happen that night, but was told it was something different - a robbery, someone strong-arming Chris Sr over the custody battle, etc.

JMO, if LE thought he did it, he would have been arrested a long time ago. They may have suspected him and BJM in the early days, but probably learned enough over time to think that JM and BJM only know who did it. Maybe the Grand Jury and a plea deal will help them tell what they know.

 

[coburn]

Oh, Len, why couldn't you have just "remembered" the name of the friend JM bought the truck from?? You would have made me so happy!

Leonard did say the last name of who his son bought the truck from..he said Freeze or Free..those are local names in adams and pike counties..he just couldnt remember their first name.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

This being confirmed, by LE, has made me very sad. It makes me feel he, awoke, and had tried to hide. He'd just had his 16th birthday. Someone close to these folks hated them, but what could a 16 year old kid have done to them? If this truly was, in part, about custody, why not just expose the in-law's income stream, take the child, and leave town (seems there's enough funds to do the latter, now).

Because after they exposed the Rhoden's income to CPS and CPS took S away, the Rhodens would have started looking for them.....forever.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I still feel that two family members did this but I am leaning towards disgrunted grand parents. First, from what I understand there were signs of a struggle at one of the locations, I believe CR SR. He was a big boy and one of the people in question that we can not say his name looks frail. I just don't see him involved but maybe two other of his family members.

His brother and dad look pretty hefty and granny doesn't look like a lightweight either.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

IMO, there's been a lot going around in that Co for a long, long, time. I read somewhere that the W's were connected to P&G in Cincinnati? They had a barn fire that killed some of those beautiful horses a few years back.
Influencial (SP)/Wealthy family.
Drugs/dealers
Cars/New/Used?
Murders
Hmmmm.... sure does sound like something big!

Who is P&G?

 

[rsd1200]

I wondered about that, too. But there's a big age gap between JM, who is 40 and JW who is in his early 20's. Not sure they would have much in common and JW seemed to have a lot of other young guys his age who he socializes with. JM has a job with long hours, a wife and a son who is almost JW's age.

And, yeah, I still have a really difficult time believing JM and BJM are some kind of ninja mass murderers who were able to kill 8 people and stump every LE agency from PCSO to Homeland Security for over a year. They're low income people without a lot of resources and nowhere to learn or practice that level of mass murder expertise.

I am not accusing anyone, but, being family, they would have the element of surprise and could show up at any hour and be allowed inside, dogs would know them, they know the homes, and the properties, they know the family schedule and could make last minute adjustments for schedule changes. Also, I'd be kind of surprised if the Manleys, Rhodens, or Wagners, didn't know their way around handling a firearm.

I'm like most of ya'll, I've studied this six ways from Sunday for over a year now, and family has ended up in my top three theories every time. I truly hope though, that that theory is wrong.

 

[rsd1200]

Ok. Does anyone have some media links about this case where we can gather some facts? TIA

Here's his obit to at least start with.
http://www.rogerwdavisfuneralhome.com/notices/Harry-Howard

 

[Dudly]

Here's what I hear:

"We had to send a cop back in the house three times to find my grandson just because he's in between the bed and the wall."

ETA: I missed the "bedfast" comment the first time. It is at abt 2:40. Wonder who the invalid is?

Apparently between the bed and the wall is where CR Jr. was found? No idea about what he meant about the bed fast person...

 

[Yvettea]

This being confirmed, by LE, has made me very sad. It makes me feel he, awoke, and had tried to hide. He'd just had his 16th birthday. Someone close to these folks hated them, but what could a 16 year old kid have done to them? If this truly was, in part, about custody, why not just expose the in-law's income stream, take the child, and leave town (seems there's enough funds to do the latter, now).

You're saying use the W abundance of funds to challenge the R family legally for custody of S? Maybe the family wasn't aware there was a problem about the custody. Or do you see the desire to raise S something that was shared by the grandparents?

 

[pearl]

This is in reference to Jennifer17 post if the quote gets lost in transition because the "reply with quote" and I don't have a good relationship.

And also, if JM is in some way involved, why would he even have this truck in his possession?

 

[rsd1200]

Interesting. Why is that poster at the Wikileaks site? Does Julian Assange have a file on the Manleys? /s Just kidding, but seems odd. Do tell.

ETA: This poster says he was found inside of a car parked in Brush Creek State Forest. That doesn't sound like JM's sister's driveway.

WikiLeaks was founded by Assange but it publishes secret or classified govt. information. The info is published from anonymous sources so it's likely hacked info. As long as they (Wikileaks) aren't doing the hacking they are covered by the first amendment. It's legal to read the info too contrary to some statements that have said otherwise.

 

[MJKTOOL]

Ok, so we already heard what Leonard said about LE saying JM had texted JW. The talk of April Manley (JW's wife) texting Dina R at 1 am is a rumor that floated around for months.

This report confirms that LM told the reporter that he talked to his son and confirmed both JM's texting activity & AM's as well.

Not confirmed officially by LE, but confirmed by Leonard. I guess it's ok to discuss AM texting Dina R that night?

Perhaps AM was playing a long distance lookout of sorts. Sending texts to DR so she could let the killers know whether or not DR was still up. Whatever the case is, it's pretty damning that JW was texting JM and AM was texting DR in the middle of the night.

I guess my question would be why did it take a year to release info on the texts? That's something they should've discovered the first day of the investigation.