OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #28

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
Thanks RSD1200! Cannot use the Reply with quotes! gggrrrr!

I totally get it about the polys. I sometimes wonder if I would take one if ever in a situation and truly innocent. I am deeply disturbed by even 4% innocent people being on death row!

I feel bad for Leonard! He just seems to love his kids so much and all of a sudden the most horrific, bloody massacre happens to his family and neighbors. That has to weigh heavy on his shoulders.

I'm thinking the text messages must have gone *poof*.... I do believe it was only Len that gave us this information.

OT: I live in Texas and we go to the drag races in October!
 
Thanks RSD1200! Cannot use the Reply with quotes! gggrrrr!

I totally get it about the polys. I sometimes wonder if I would take one if ever in a situation and truly innocent. I am deeply disturbed by even 4% innocent people being on death row!

I feel bad for Leonard! He just seems to love his kids so much and all of a sudden the most horrific, bloody massacre happens to his family and neighbors. That has to weigh heavy on his shoulders.

I'm thinking the text messages must have gone *poof*.... I do believe it was only Len that gave us this information.

OT: I live in Texas and we go to the drag races in October!

I truly don't think I'd take one, and, like you, that 4% number greatly bothers me. That number is one of the reasons that I could never be a jury member on a death penalty case, the other is that I just don't feel that I should have that kind of power.

If I had the means, I'd probably move away from that area, if I were the surviving family members. Especially if I lived on or near UHR. If I had the means. LM seems angry that justice doesn't seem to be moving very quickly. JM looked broken and haunted in his mug shot. We never hear from MrsL. I often wonder how she's holding up.

I agree on the texts but if they ever were there, they can probably regain them through the cell carrier (although that can be a bit difficult sometimes).

OT: We've got plans to hit a couple AMRA and Top Fuel Drags this summer. Nothing like the smell of top fuel in the morning!
 
That's what I'm curious about. Where some of the family was listed as living at the W's Bethel Hill property (which did have a heart shaped pond at one point), is less than five miles from the church. The Flying W is on the same road as the church, (it is between the Bethel Hill cutoff and the church). I've just really felt like HMR spent a lot of time with the Ws.

It's a small church. I would think everyone knows each other in this church. New faces are noticed. I haven't seen links yet with any acquaintance of the victims.
 
It's a small church. I would think everyone knows each other in this church. New faces are noticed. I haven't seen links yet with any acquaintance of the victims.

Oddly enough, I have zero friends from any churches I've attended, (well excluding relatives) including the one I currently attend (when I go). I've had the deacons stop in and visit but that's about it. Also, there's the possibility that when the drug issue was brought into the public that if she had any friends from there, that they DE-friended her profile. I know the folk's faces but couldn't tell you their names at my current place of worship. Also, she was young. This little church looks like the ones around here that are in the middle of nowhere. It looks to have its own little cemetery and it is not large. I'd bet a dime to a donut that there were / are no youth pastors or youth activities. There's no funds for those things in a lot of these little churches and young people don't want to go and just sit with a bunch of old people. Especially if the pastor is a fire and brimstone preacher. I don't know that this guy is or isn't but I'd lean toward is. Odd that April of 2016 is blank. I looked to see if they had some type of prayer thing for the families, they did live right within spittin' distance of the church, but zip. I figured she may have attended while she was with the Ws but wasn't an every time the door was open attendee.

Edit: I am in no way alluding to anyone at the church having anything to do with this. I'm only thinking in terms that HMR may have spent quite a lot of time at the Ws at both Bethel Hill and Peterson Rd. The pastor's comments, and the church being located nearby to the W properties (Bethel Hill) caught my eye. I think something happened that caused her to abruptly move out and a change in the family dynamics. It's probably nothing, it's just a "vibe" I'm getting.
 
I truly don't think I'd take one, and, like you, that 4% number greatly bothers me. That number is one of the reasons that I could never be a jury member on a death penalty case, the other is that I just don't feel that I should have that kind of power.

If I had the means, I'd probably move away from that area, if I were the surviving family members. Especially if I lived on or near UHR. If I had the means. LM seems angry that justice doesn't seem to be moving very quickly. JM looked broken and haunted in his mug shot. We never hear from MrsL. I often wonder how she's holding up.

I agree on the texts but if they ever were there, they can probably regain them through the cell carrier (although that can be a bit difficult sometimes).

OT: We've got plans to hit a couple AMRA and Top Fuel Drags this summer. Nothing like the smell of top fuel in the morning!

Everyone should experience a Top fuel car warming up in the pits and also making a run. There is no way to describe it. I used to go to Kirkersville, Ohio for the NHRA race until they moved it. There was a house real close to the track toward the finish line. They gave the owner a vacation away on the weekends they had national events. The shutdown crosses a local road. They closed that road when AA/FD and AA/FC cars ran.
 
Everyone should experience a Top fuel car warming up in the pits and also making a run. There is no way to describe it. I used to go to Kirkersville, Ohio for the NHRA race until they moved it. There was a house real close to the track toward the finish line. They gave the owner a vacation away on the weekends they had national events. The shutdown crosses a local road. They closed that road when AA/FD and AA/FC cars ran.

Absolutely. For car & m/c folks there's nothing like it. For derby and mud run folks too. For those of us who really enjoy our vehicles and the sports associated with them, it's not uncommon to travel fairly far to attend an event, collect lots of parts, keep a "special" vehicle when we buy a new one, as we just can't part with that particular one(s) b/c ..and the reasons are numerous, etc... I guess that's why I never really thought that much about the collection at CR1's place. Similar ones dot the countryside. I used to love looking at all of them on the fellas land near ours, when I was a kid. I didn't see them as an eyesore, or a potential danger. I'd envision them as they looked when they were new. My brain just kinda jumped to my love of cars, bikes, racing, to the Rhoden's love of cars, bikes, and derbies. They were mechanics too, and sold cars. Could be that they just loved things with wheels, like me.
 
There's been at least a one, of a couple, of folks who have been visiting at least one particular area in AK during the last couple of weeks. Very openly seeking out long term rentals but not necessarily places with a large number of bedrooms. Same person is inquiring about work too.
 
Everyone should experience a Top fuel car warming up in the pits and also making a run. There is no way to describe it. I used to go to Kirkersville, Ohio for the NHRA race until they moved it. There was a house real close to the track toward the finish line. They gave the owner a vacation away on the weekends they had national events. The shutdown crosses a local road. They closed that road when AA/FD and AA/FC cars ran.

:ditto: You feel the power from the inside of your chest to outwards! The last time we went Priscilla Presley was there and we were able to get her autograph! John Force's gear clutch hangs on our garage wall.

Absolutely. For car & m/c folks there's nothing like it. For derby and mud run folks too. For those of us who really enjoy our vehicles and the sports associated with them, it's not uncommon to travel fairly far to attend an event, collect lots of parts, keep a "special" vehicle when we buy a new one, as we just can't part with that particular one(s) b/c ..and the reasons are numerous, etc... I guess that's why I never really thought that much about the collection at CR1's place. Similar ones dot the countryside. I used to love looking at all of them on the fellas land near ours, when I was a kid. I didn't see them as an eyesore, or a potential danger. I'd envision them as they looked when they were new. My brain just kinda jumped to my love of cars, bikes, racing, to the Rhoden's love of cars, bikes, and derbies. They were mechanics too, and sold cars. Could be that they just loved things with wheels, like me.

I married into a similar situation over 30 years ago. At first I was like this is like living in a junkyard. Eventually I grew to appreciate my FIL and hubby's passion for all things with a motor especially after my one and only son was born. He too wanted to be a mechanic and work on cars! When my FIL passed, my MIL started cleaning up the place. On our property we have sold everything except my deceased son's 1994 Chevy that he wrecked shortly before his death. We have had quite a few people interested, but I think my husband is having a hard time letting go.

Anyhow back to the vicious murders of 8 innocent people. Why didn't JW and HMR marry? He looks to have been a good catch. Maybe he never proposed and she moved on obviously.
 
:ditto: You feel the power from the inside of your chest to outwards! The last time we went Priscilla Presley was there and we were able to get her autograph! John Force's gear clutch hangs on our garage wall.



I married into a similar situation over 30 years ago. At first I was like this is like living in a junkyard. Eventually I grew to appreciate my FIL and hubby's passion for all things with a motor especially after my one and only son was born. He too wanted to be a mechanic and work on cars! When my FIL passed, my MIL started cleaning up the place. On our property we have sold everything except my deceased son's 1994 Chevy that he wrecked shortly before his death. We have had quite a few people interested, but I think my husband is having a hard time letting go.

Anyhow back to the vicious murders of 8 innocent people. Why didn't JW and HMR marry? He looks to have been a good catch. Maybe he never proposed and she moved on obviously.

I'm so sorry about your son. My sincere condolences. I don't think I could part with the truck either. Some folks don't understand the love and attachment to a vehicle. To me, at least, they are a work of art, that you can drive or ride. I've got my first m/c. I'll not part with her unless I'm financially drained and it's a have to case. I totaled her out but we got her put back together and the stamp of approval from the county that she's road ready. Gonna have a little fun on her this summer.

Idk why they never married but it doesn't seem all that important to this generation anymore. There's several members of my family, and their friends, who have lived together for over a decade and never gotten married, and they proposed years ago, and even call their gf their fiance. Whatever floats their boat but ten years is pushing an engagement a bit imo. When I was in school there were hardly any children who had divorced parents. If their parents divorced it was SHOCKING! I had a friend that b/c their parents divorced, and it was so uncommon, other parents would not let their children go to their home to play with her anymore. It was a social stigma. Because of growing up in that time period, and then seeing divorces begin to become pretty common, I do think that in this generation, and the prior, they may see their commitment as not needing the piece of paper, that did absolutely nothing to hold their home together, so why do they need that piece of paper? Although legally, and with children, that piece of paper is very important. I don't think that they realize that though, until it is too late. Strictly my thoughts on the subject. One friend of my kids got together and just said commitment vows, nothing legal, no pastor, judge, etc...in front of a HUGE group of friends. Again, I guess whatever floats your boat.

Edit: That feeling of the power is just awesome!
 
Absolutely. For car & m/c folks there's nothing like it. For derby and mud run folks too. For those of us who really enjoy our vehicles and the sports associated with them, it's not uncommon to travel fairly far to attend an event, collect lots of parts, keep a "special" vehicle when we buy a new one, as we just can't part with that particular one(s) b/c ..and the reasons are numerous, etc... I guess that's why I never really thought that much about the collection at CR1's place. Similar ones dot the countryside. I used to love looking at all of them on the fellas land near ours, when I was a kid. I didn't see them as an eyesore, or a potential danger. I'd envision them as they looked when they were new. My brain just kinda jumped to my love of cars, bikes, racing, to the Rhoden's love of cars, bikes, and derbies. They were mechanics too, and sold cars. Could be that they just loved things with wheels, like me.

I was working on cars at age 12. All those car an CR1's was interesting to me, too. A friend worked on antique cars. It is amazing what you might see sitting out in a field. I owned and unfortunately sold a lot of what ended up being collector cars. One was a'68 Camaro RS/SS 396 4 speed I bought for $900 back then. Oh, well...
 
I'm so sorry about your son. My sincere condolences. I don't think I could part with the truck either. Some folks don't understand the love and attachment to a vehicle. To me, at least, they are a work of art, that you can drive or ride. I've got my first m/c. I'll not part with her unless I'm financially drained and it's a have to case. I totaled her out but we got her put back together and the stamp of approval from the county that she's road ready. Gonna have a little fun on her this summer.



Idk why they never married but it doesn't seem all that important to this generation anymore. There's several members of my family, and their friends, who have lived together for over a decade and never gotten married, and they proposed years ago, and even call their gf their fiance. Whatever floats their boat but ten years is pushing an engagement a bit imo. When I was in school there were hardly any children who had divorced parents. If their parents divorced it was SHOCKING! I had a friend that b/c their parents divorced, and it was so uncommon, other parents would not let their children go to their home to play with her anymore. It was a social stigma. Because of growing up in that time period, and then seeing divorces begin to become pretty common, I do think that in this generation, and the prior, they may see their commitment as not needing the piece of paper, that did absolutely nothing to hold their home together, so why do they need that piece of paper? Although legally, and with children, that piece of paper is very important. I don't think that they realize that though, until it is too late. Strictly my thoughts on the subject. One friend of my kids got together and just said commitment vows, nothing legal, no pastor, judge, etc...in front of a HUGE group of friends. Again, I guess whatever floats your boat.

Edit: That feeling of the power is just awesome!

I have a daughter over 40 that has never been married. Her younger sister who always said a marriage license is just a piece of paper is married...lol
 
I was working on cars at age 12. All those car an CR1's was interesting to me, too. A friend worked on antique cars. It is amazing what you might see sitting out in a field. I owned and unfortunately sold a lot of what ended up being collector cars. One was a'68 Camaro RS/SS 396 4 speed I bought for $900 back then. Oh, well...

I understand. We go to car shows too, and I'm just as interested in the unfinished ones, and the rat rods, as I am the fully restored, and current year models. I fell in love at first site with a car at a small dealership a few counties over. We were just passing through and it was the only antique car on the lot. She was sitting out front. I just had to turn around and check it out. If I'd had been flush w/cash she'd have been mine!

I too would have loved to have looked at all of the cars on the Rhoden properties. I tried to blow the photos up but still couldn't make out much. I've always wanted a school bus. I could see their buying that.
 
I have a daughter over 40 that has never been married. Her younger sister who always said a marriage license is just a piece of paper is married...lol

I've got a son whose been w/his s/o for three or four years now (it's complicated...). There's an engagement ring but I doubt there will ever be a marriage. I've a daughter who I thought would probably never have an interest in tying the knot, she's a fairly free, but stubborn, spirit (as am I), but she and her HUSBAND ;) just celebrated their first year anniversary. Not to go into politics at all, but, she leans a bit left and he leans a bit right so conversing with them is always enjoyable (they keep it cool :cool: ). They balance one another out very well thus far. She chose well.
 
Hi all, just checking in. Assume there's still nothing happening with the case? Wonder if the grand jury is meeting.

After following the case of the man in N Ohio who killed an older couple in North Canton, then killed a mother and 2 daughters in North Royalton the next day, it's more clear than ever that the Rhoden case should have been solved by now. Up here, it's assumed LE checked with the mom's boyfriend who saw the suspect's car at her house. Did some checking on social media, made some calls and cornered the guy. No problem getting search and arrest warrants. No problems with balky prosecutors.

http://www.cleveland.com/north-royalton/index.ssf/2017/06/north_royalton_mothers_throat.html

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/06/son_of_slain_stark_county_coup.html

Ohio BCI and PCSO had pretty much the same information within 24 hrs of the Rhoden murders.

This case isn't being solved, IMO, because LE doesn't want to solve it. Whether that comes from higher up, at the county level, we don't know. But I'm no longer buying any more BS excuses from LE, nor am I giving any of them great praise.

I hope the locals keep pushing instead of letting them cover up another group of murders.

:cupcake: :rant: :deadhorse:
 
In my opinion......things that stand out:

The W family is involved somehow. The timing of the murders (after the baby was born) and the sparing of the children. I don't think they physically participated but perhaps they provided information to those who actually committed the murders.

The coincidences of all the people who were supposed to be there the night of the murders. Did they have advance knowledge of what was about to occur?

The possibility is that quite a few people have at least some knowledge about the crime. Usually, the more people involved in a crime, the greater the chances that someone will talk, confide, or brag.

I wonder if KR was killed because he had knowledge and was considered to be a risk.

How can can people live with themselves if they had knowledge that this premeditated, cold blooded crime was going to occur?
 
Hi all, just checking in. Assume there's still nothing happening with the case? Wonder if the grand jury is meeting.

After following the case of the man in N Ohio who killed an older couple in North Canton, then killed a mother and 2 daughters in North Royalton the next day, it's more clear than ever that the Rhoden case should have been solved by now. Up here, it's assumed LE checked with the mom's boyfriend who saw the suspect's car at her house. Did some checking on social media, made some calls and cornered the guy. No problem getting search and arrest warrants. No problems with balky prosecutors.

http://www.cleveland.com/north-royalton/index.ssf/2017/06/north_royalton_mothers_throat.html

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/06/son_of_slain_stark_county_coup.html

Ohio BCI and PCSO had pretty much the same information within 24 hrs of the Rhoden murders.

This case isn't being solved, IMO, because LE doesn't want to solve it. Whether that comes from higher up, at the county level, we don't know. But I'm no longer buying any more BS excuses from LE, nor am I giving any of them great praise.

I hope the locals keep pushing instead of letting them cover up another group of murders.

:cupcake: :rant: :deadhorse:

Nothing new really. This case in North Royalton actually had someone, Plymale, who'd been dating her, if I read it correctly, to come forward about seeing the guy's van parked outside the home. He "met Brinkman, who was a longtime acquaintance of Taylor's, several dozen times after Plymale began dating Taylor. " He also knew that Brinkman and the vicitim's relationship had soured after she started dating Plymale.

No one saw a thing (that they're telling anyway) on UHR in those early morning hours. It's not surprising to me b/c of the difference in where the murders ocurred. I'm sitting right here with a state highway running nearby and after about 1 a.m. or so, it's pretty darn quiet. I lived in a subdivision for a few years before coming back to the country and there were cars coming and going all of the time. It was a nice little cul-de-sac outside the city limits, but people had different work routines, teens coming in and out, and it still wasn't as busy as some subdivisions, or living in town (did that for a short period and even with our town being as small as it is, it was horrible).

If you look up her address, she had homes all around her. Couldn't throw a rock without hitting one. The boyfriend (I think that's what he was) noticed the vehicle at her home, and the Greenhouse across the street may have even captured video of the car going into her little cul-de-sac, and leaving back out.

I love living out in the country, away from most distractions, but I've got No Trespassing signs, and Beware of Dogs signs, and a couple of equalizers. My nearest neighbor wouldn't hear nor see a thing if someone sketchy came 'round, and by the time LE got here, it would all be over.

There's no street lights on UHR, nor on 32 (iirc), no close neighbors to see cars pulling in or out, (I do think they may have left tread marks where they just pulled up and let folks out, and circled back to pick them up.). The folks who murdered the Rhodens, and HHG, are probably kind of like those of us who live in the country, they know the little side roads like the backs of their hands, and could pretty near drive them blindfolded.

I agree, I don't feel that they were up front on the Rhoden/Gilley case, and may be in over their heads, and feel close so they're not wanting to bring in any other folks to help. I hope I'm wrong about the latter, but feel pretty solid on the former. I do think location has something to do w/the difficulty of solving this though. We had a vehicle stolen right out of the front yard, in broad daylight. You could tell by the tire tracks that they had just backed right in, pushed the car into the box truck and drove right off. One of the family drove by that morning and remembered seeing the car there, and I drove by that afternoon of the same day and noticed it was gone. I made a comment that I saw they'd decided to sell the car (it was a pet project they'd been working on). NOPE! We talked to neighbors, but folks just aren't close enough to see much of anything, visited junk yards, called LE, (LE told us it was probably already a cube...) Never did find it.
 
In my opinion......things that stand out:

The W family is involved somehow. The timing of the murders (after the baby was born) and the sparing of the children. I don't think they physically participated but perhaps they provided information to those who actually committed the murders.

The coincidences of all the people who were supposed to be there the night of the murders. Did they have advance knowledge of what was about to occur?

The possibility is that quite a few people have at least some knowledge about the crime. Usually, the more people involved in a crime, the greater the chances that someone will talk, confide, or brag.

I wonder if KR was killed because he had knowledge and was considered to be a risk.

How can can people live with themselves if they had knowledge that this premeditated, cold blooded crime was going to occur?

I've got a couple theories on KR. One is that he drove by on the way to his trailer, saw familiar people/car exiting at CR1 or FR places (they're right on the road), waved, honked, as he went by and they knew he saw them there, so he had to go.
 
I've always wondered if the failed attempt to pass MJ legalization in Ohio in 2015 was in some way part of the "background" of the Rhoden murders. Not to say any of the investors, etc. were involved in the Rhoden killings, but understanding the background of the network of players interested in legalized MJ development might help shed light on other players.

The 2015 Issue 3 referendum failed at the ballot box because many voters felt it was creating a "legalized cartel" to control future production, processing and sale of legalized MJ in Ohio. A significant amount of money, $21.5 million, was spent to pass Issue 3. Several other proposals/referendums have been floated over the years, similar to those in other states that allow for smaller operations or for owners to grow their own product. Ohio has always been geared towards approving limited numbers of grow ops, usually owned by wealthy investment groups.

Again, none of the parties in the links below are considered suspects, nor am I promoting that idea. Just some background information.

Pro-marijuana group ResponsibleOhio dead, founder says, won't press ballot issue in 2016

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/01/pro-marijuana_group_responsibl.html

Ohio House Speaker Cliff Rosenberger, who is the representative for Pike, Ross, Highland and Clinton counties, announced a new Task Force to study medical marijuana legalization in Ohio.

Link to a view of the network of businesses and investors who developed and funded ResponsibleOhio PAC in 2014-15 to promote passage of Issue 3

https://prezi.com/of_pqybapfnl/responsibleohio-pac/


$36 million raised for Ohio marijuana legalization proposal


http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/03/36_million_raised_for_ohio_mar.html


Again, I'm not indicating any of these people or groups were behind the Rhodens, but there may have been other competing interests in the MJ industry in Ohio who may have played a role or whose activities may still play a role in how the Rhoden murders are being investigated.

On April 13, 2016, legislation was introduced in the Ohio House to approve growing and selling of MJ for medicinal purposes. The bill was approved by a 15 member panel that studied the proposal. Two members of the panel were also investors in ResponsibleOhio.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/03/current_status_of_ohios_2016_m.html

The bill was signed into law by Gov John Kasich in May 2016.
 
Hi all, just checking in. Assume there's still nothing happening with the case? Wonder if the grand jury is meeting.

After following the case of the man in N Ohio who killed an older couple in North Canton, then killed a mother and 2 daughters in North Royalton the next day, it's more clear than ever that the Rhoden case should have been solved by now. Up here, it's assumed LE checked with the mom's boyfriend who saw the suspect's car at her house. Did some checking on social media, made some calls and cornered the guy. No problem getting search and arrest warrants. No problems with balky prosecutors.

http://www.cleveland.com/north-royalton/index.ssf/2017/06/north_royalton_mothers_throat.html

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/06/son_of_slain_stark_county_coup.html

Ohio BCI and PCSO had pretty much the same information within 24 hrs of the Rhoden murders.

This case isn't being solved, IMO, because LE doesn't want to solve it. Whether that comes from higher up, at the county level, we don't know. But I'm no longer buying any more BS excuses from LE, nor am I giving any of them great praise.

I hope the locals keep pushing instead of letting them cover up another group of murders.

:cupcake: :rant: :deadhorse:

Your thoughts are my thoughts exactly.
In less than 24 hours, Brinkman was connected to both murders. I live on the border of north royalton and Parma- I also grew up about 1/4 mile down the same street from where Suzanne and her daughters resided. As a local, I of course was on top of the case and doing my own research. There is no way- in this day in age- that some one can kill 8 people at 4 different locations on the same night and not get caught. I just don't understand it. It really makes no sense to me, especially with technology (cell phones/social media etc).
There is a reason this case has gone "cold"......... same with the Bryon Macron case. They know exactly who did this


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Your thoughts are my thoughts exactly.
In less than 24 hours, Brinkman was connected to both murders. I live on the border of north royalton and Parma- I also grew up about 1/4 mile down the same street from where Suzanne and her daughters resided. As a local, I of course was on top of the case and doing my own research. There is no way- in this day in age- that some one can kill 8 people at 4 different locations on the same night and not get caught. I just don't understand it. It really makes no sense to me, especially with technology (cell phones/social media etc).
There is a reason this case has gone "cold"......... same with the Bryon Macron case. They know exactly who did this


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Was the North Ohio case well planned or committed in the spur of the moment like an active shooting type of crime?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
84
Guests online
215
Total visitors
299

Forum statistics

Threads
609,259
Messages
18,251,432
Members
234,585
Latest member
Mocha55
Back
Top