OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #8

[lonesomepaws]

Nobody wants to believe this kind of activity goes on in their communities, right under everyone's noses. But in fact, that's exactly how it happens. Most people suspect people who look different from them, when it could very well be the nice family next door.

I am no longer going to argue about whether there are drug cartels in Pike Ohio. There is nothing anyone can say that will make me believe that is so. You can throw statistics, web site links, whatever you want at me- I do not and will never believe a drug cartel is involved in this murder- let alone in the county.

 

[egokills]

The flat out lies bother me. Without saying it, he is making us doubt what they have been saying from the beginning. They talked about actual protective custody for Rhodens.

I'm wondering if he's revising what was implied at first (i.e. Rhoden's in danger) to justify the ongoing withholding of information. If the Rhoden's - and by extension anyone else - is actually in ongoing danger, it becomes much harder to justify to the public continuing to withhold info. There is a pretty compelling case to be made if people are in danger, then it is in the public interest to release info. But if no one is in danger, then it is easier to justify stonewalling.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Cockfighting used to be considered a gentleman's sport in this country. I don't understand how watching two animals fight to the death is entertaining. Does anyone know if the ohio law passed that would make cockfighting a felony? In most other states it is.

Apparently not as of February 2016:

“Criminals are coming to our state to participate in this cruel blood sport because Ohio has notoriously lax penalties for cockfighting. Indiana and Michigan, as well as all other Great Lakes states, have punished cockfighting as a felony for years,” says Corey Roscoe, Ohio state director for the Humane Society of the United States. “Yet Ohio has failed to catch up; the maximum fine for cockfighting in our state is $250. Only Alabama and Mississippi treat cockfighting more leniently.”

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/news/ohio-lawmakers-look-to-crackdown-on-cockfighting/nqKCL/

Kentucky and neighboring Ohio have long had some of the weakest anti-cockfighting laws in the nation — they are at the north end of the “cockfighting corridor” that stretches from there down to Alabama and Mississippi. In all of these states, penalties for cockfighting are anemic, the laws haven’t been upgraded in decades, and politicians have consistently sided with organized networks of lawbreakers and resisted efforts to square these states’ laws with those of the rest of the country and the federal government. And so have some law enforcement officials who turn a blind eye in these states. In 2010, The HSUS released undercover video of uniformed state police officers at a cockfighting pit in Manchester, Kentucky.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/weak-laws-bring-cockfight_b_5290848.html

But by the time cockfights are in progress or breeding and fighting operations established, much of the abuse and cruelty has already occurred. We need laws to prevent this kind of depravity from happening in the first place. Ohio is aligned with Alabama and Mississippi as having the most flaccid anti-cockfighting laws. In Ohio, the maximum fine for cockfighting is $250.

*SNIPPED*

Ending cruel practices like cockfighting is not just about putting a stop to animal abuse; there is plenty of evidence that shows these kinds of operations often serve as fronts for hardened and even organized criminals. A U.S. Department of Agriculture agent who brought down a large cockfighting operation in Kentucky this last year stated in an affidavit that Mexican organized crime figures had frequented the cockfights there, and had even brought in a hit man to kill a cockfighter who had laundered money. Federal investigations continue to reveal cockfights can be intricate illegal gambling enterprises, often associated with the distribution of large quantities of cocaine, heroin, and meth.

http://blog.humanesociety.org/wayne/2016/02/strengthen-ohio-cockfighting-law.html

I'm in Texas where it is a misdemeanor or lowest felony level depending upon case specifics. It's not uncommon to read about a bust somewhere in the state. One ring was hit with arrests about 60 miles from where I live in rural Texas. Where I live 60 miles is more or less still in the extended neighborhood.

I know my father gambled at *advertiser censored* fights in Texas in the 70s and 80s. Probably earlier that that, too, but it escaped my younger notice. The ones I knew about were run by and mostly attended by gringo natives of semi-rural north Texas.

It was unquestionably a good-old-boy sport that businessmen also took part in. Kinda like strip joints -- turn your nose up at them in church, but give them your money on Saturday night.

 

[KKearns]

I'm wondering if he's revising what was implied at first (i.e. Rhoden's in danger) to justify the ongoing withholding of information. If the Rhoden's - and by extension anyone else - is actually in ongoing danger, it becomes much harder to justify to the public continuing to withhold info. There is a pretty compelling case to be made if people are in danger, then it is in the public interest to release info. But if no one is in danger, then it is easier to justify stonewalling.

Nope, this is a QUOTE:

"We don't have any information on that. And we did not when we initially said it other than the fact we had eight people killed."

Never thought it when he said it, just pulled it out of nothing.

That is so irresponsible if true.

 

[tlcya]

From what another poster said, I don't think we are supposed to talk about BR per TOS but not sure why. Can someone clarify if it's because he is a minor or what the reason is please? Thanks! Just getting caught up now. But I have to say a lot of good discussions recently and a lot to think about.

BR has not been named a suspect, POI, has not spoken in the Main Stream Media and therefore his living situation is not a good topic for us to delve into. Honestly, since we have no idea the whys or who s in this case, it is not really responsible to discuss where any of the still living family members are currently staying.

I took DeWine's statements earlier today about danger to mean this:

They have 8 members of one family dead across four crime scenes. They don't know if the marijuana grow is related, so how can they answer if any remaining family is in danger or not? I don't think they know. Which means we don't know either.

If BR speaks in the press then by all means, discuss what he says. Otherwise, he is just a private citizen of Piketon just like any other who we have no reason to sleuth.

 

[KKearns]

Nope, this is a QUOTE:

"We don't have any information on that. And we did not when we initially said it other than the fact we had eight people killed."

Never thought it when he said it, just pulled it out of nothing.

That is so irresponsible if true.

That is basically saying.. We had a bunch of people named Jones that were killed and we have provided security, told people named Jones we would protect them, told them they were in danger, just because their name is Jones.

 

[winterrose]

I don't know if I see the connection between the campground where some of the Rhodens worked and the Mexicans camping out in fields of MJ.

I think that the Mexicans suspected of being pot growers (didn't see anywhere that any were actually caught) were pretty much squatting out somewhere where the intent was not to be noticed. Wouldn't look for them at an actual "camp site."

It's just another one of many theories, since we've not been given any info except 8 members of one family have been executed, there's nothing else to do except come up with different theories. As far as the drug bust in 2012, that involved many agencies investigating it for some time, I'm sure they knew more about who was doing it than they let out. The state has been and is actively investigating and charging drug dealers connected to the Cartel and other out of state drug dealers dealing in the state.

 

[lonesomepaws]

That's what I was thinking....if there was any patience at all, they may have waited for turkey hunting season and it wouldn't be strange to hear the vehicles in or near the woods. JMO

Turkey season opened April 18th.

 

[rsd1200]

Cockfighting used to be considered a gentleman's sport in this country. I don't understand how watching two animals fight to the death is entertaining. Does anyone know if the ohio law passed that would make cockfighting a felony? In most other states it is.

It is now illegal nationwide. They're trying to make the law more substantial though. I guess the reason that *advertiser censored* fighting kind of didn't carry the stigma for so long is that it's been around for literally thousands of years and these type of roosters will fight one another naturally, just not to the death. Man comes along and starts placing bets and pretty soon it turns into what it is now. (Note: Any rooster will fight another rooster (and a human too) but game roosters seem to be a bit more behaviorally suited for this.)

 

[Pheasant]

Yeah I can help you out. He is saying "I'm not telling you crap and will use a lot of words to tell you nothing".

He is also contradicting himself, such as this:

"In the days after the slayings, Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader said that it was clear the family was targeted and that he had told the victims' relatives to arm themselves.

On Monday, Attorney General Mike DeWine said authorities didn't know whether there was a threat to the family and he would not speculate about whether a threat remains.

"We have no new information that would indicate that there is a threat to any of the members of the family," DeWine told The Associated Press in an interview before speaking at an opiate-related conference in Columbus. "We don't have any information on that. And we did not when we initially said it other than the fact we had eight people killed."

This is a lie and it makes people doubt what they saw with their own eyes and heard with their own ears and that is intentional.

I'm shocked he didn't say.. "who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?"

Why do all this, and contradict yourself and do it intentionally?

Either you know what is your and about to do bust someone and you are smart like a fox.

Or..

You don't have crap and you don't want the politicial fallout of people raising a stink about a mass murderer running loose and you pray it goes away.

I'll be shocked if he is smart like a fox.

If there is no threat why the funeral security?

The man either lied in the beginning or is lying now.. It is a huge contradiction, not even a play on words or a spin. He is lying to everyone about this case.

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i definitely agree he is saying basically nothing, right from the beginning of the case. Football coaches and politicians are very good at using a lot of words to say nothing, his statements would work for either.

I don't see the lie in your post, though. I think it's clear the family was targeted- other people live on Union Hill rd and are not dead, the location of the eighth victim was not close to the first 7. They based the targeted comment on that alone, assuming their was no note left at the scene that said "we targeted this family."

The only problem I can see with DeWine's statement is he should have said no information on an ongoing threat, or no information on a threat to the remaining family members. He also can't be contradicting himself based on the sheriff's comments vs his comments. Contradicting the sheriff, yes, not himself. That's really just semantics, though, if you believe the statements are contradictory. If "the family was targeted" was an assumption, which it appears to be, what he said isn't contradicting that. He's simply saying they have not uncovered anything to indicate an ongoing threat or to confirm the original targeting, other than the dead bodies.

Officers at at the funerals are serving two purposes- the primary reason is probably to observe the family and friends. Secondary would be that if they weren't there and something happened (family member accuses someone and attacks them) they would get crushed for not being there.

 

[winterrose]

Back of Chris' property...

 

[KKearns]

i definitely agree he is saying basically nothing, right from the beginning of the case. Football coaches and politicians are very good at using a lot of words to say nothing, his statements would work for either.

I don't see the lie in your post, though. I think it's clear the family was targeted- other people live on Union Hill rd and are not dead, the location of the eighth victim was not close to the first 7. They based the targeted comment on that alone, assuming their was no note left at the scene that said "we targeted this family."

The only problem I can see with DeWine's statement is he should have said no information on an ongoing threat, or no information on a threat to the remaining family members. He also can't be contradicting himself based on the sheriff's comments vs his comments. Contradicting the sheriff, yes, not himself. That's really just semantics, though, if you believe the statements are contradictory. If "the family was targeted" was an assumption, which it appears to be, what he said isn't contradicting that. He's simply saying they have not uncovered anything to indicate an ongoing threat or to confirm the original targeting, other than the dead bodies.

Officers at at the funerals are serving two purposes- the primary reason is probably to observe the family and friends. Secondary would be that if they weren't there and something happened (family member accuses someone and attacks them) they would get crushed for not being there.

The lie is he was clear day one and on, the Rhodens were in danger.

Now he says there was nothing to say they were in danger really, they had 8 Rhodens
So all Rhodens were in as much danger when they made those statements as all people named Jones due to people named Jones being killed.

They also said they offered protective custody and that isn't a normal thing.

 

[lonesomepaws]

Rooster fights they're popular in Mexico and they do it here. It's popular over here in the country for years in different places, also. I was wondering if the Rhodens had befriended some of the Mexican workers living in the campground that worked for the cartel, or middle man dealers. Cartel is all over Ohio, according to Govt statistics, they're always finding ways to blend in and never do things the same way. There's many articles on all of this that I've posted before. I don't think this was direct Cartel, but could be middle man dealers, who knows?

I will totally go along with there being *advertiser censored* fights in the area. These are raised and not only fought locally- but also sent off- sometimes overseas. There are different types and they're bred for temperament etc. There IS big money in this. At a *advertiser censored* fight in a rural area- bets are made on the chickens- so there is normally a lot of cash thrown around.
Now, the Mexican part of this. There is less than 1% of the population that is Mexican in Pike County. If there are any Mexicans- they are not going to associate with the locals at all. Period. These *advertiser censored* fights in rural areas are hosted by locals and only locals would go and the only locals that would go would be the ones that could be trusted. LEO would probably take a "look the other way" attitude about these, they are that common.

 

[Margo/Mom]

DeWine is no novice - he started his career as a prosecutor in Greene County, before getting elected to the state Legislature 36 years ago. Since that time, he has served as a member of the U.S. House & U.S. Senate, as well as Lt. Gov, which is all prior to his current stint as AG. In the political world, it's speculated that he has his eye on the Governor's office when it'll be open again in 2018.

I'm not sure if he intentionally put himself in the middle of this Pike County thing - he might have been brought in due to issues with Pike County Sheriff's office and also to bring in state resources - but now that he's in the middle, I'm fairly certain he's not going to allow himself to be hoisted on his own petard here. He is playing it close to the vest because he knows it's going to be resolved, if he thought it was not going to be solved, IMO he'd be handling this differently.

Could be he's there to deflect any firestorm that could come back on the Gov--who's busy campaigning for Prez on the I'm Not Trump Or Cruz ticket.

Early on in the Gov's term he made a lot of noise about shutting down pill mills. Not certain of exact locations, but he targeted spots in rural Ohio. It was really a low-cost photo-op that was intended to look like a solution to a problem. Couple years down the road we are looking at a heroin epidemic. Seems like the two are probably related. DeWine speaking at an anti-opiod conference is kinda part of the mopping up process. So Mr. K. kinda needs for Mr. Dewine to kinda chill out whatever is going on down in Pike County--especially if there is potential for someone to hold it up as an example of how shutting down some pill mills (and now handing out the anti-OD drug like candy) was really just a cosmetic action and we need some widespread attention to things like addiction recovery services--not to mention economic recovery in places like Pike County where folks are putting food on the table by making illegal things grown out on the back 40.

IJS

IMO

 

[rsd1200]

Which kinda leads me to one theory, which is that they were behind the tip-off that led to the PO interception of that package from CA--or in some other way playing the inside track with LE. I don't suspect the local folks who got shut down of doing this. But clearly they were working for someone. If the someone they were working for was a different someone than the Rhodens were working for, and the Rhodens were believed to be behind that particular bust, this could have been the result.

I think that--in that scenario--taking out so many was to disable any attempt at revenge.

Totally just spitballing, but it fits most of the facts as we know them.

I've been leaning that way too. People will do terrible things sometimes to not go to prison for a long time.

 

[lonesomepaws]

I believe LE has advised them to not do interviews.

If I was related to the family, I would belaying very very low.

 

[Sharedspirit]

I am no longer going to argue about whether there are drug cartels in Pike Ohio. There is nothing anyone can say that will make me believe that is so. You can throw statistics, web site links, whatever you want at me- I do not and will never believe a drug cartel is involved in this murder- let alone in the county.

I didn't say it was a cartel.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Now reporters are stating that besides marijuana, the Rhodens had the dogs and roosters for fighting.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/justice/2...encia.cnn/video/playlists/ohio-family-killed/

 

[creepcrusher]

Yeah I can help you out. He is saying "I'm not telling you crap and will use a lot of words to tell you nothing".

He is also contradicting himself, such as this:

"In the days after the slayings, Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader said that it was clear the family was targeted and that he had told the victims' relatives to arm themselves.

On Monday, Attorney General Mike DeWine said authorities didn't know whether there was a threat to the family and he would not speculate about whether a threat remains.

"We have no new information that would indicate that there is a threat to any of the members of the family," DeWine told The Associated Press in an interview before speaking at an opiate-related conference in Columbus. "We don't have any information on that. And we did not when we initially said it other than the fact we had eight people killed."

This is a lie and it makes people doubt what they saw with their own eyes and heard with their own ears and that is intentional.

I'm shocked he didn't say.. "who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?"

Why do all this, and contradict yourself and do it intentionally?

Either you know what is your and about to do bust someone and you are smart like a fox.

Or..

You don't have crap and you don't want the politicial fallout of people raising a stink about a mass murderer running loose and you pray it goes away.

I'll be shocked if he is smart like a fox.

If there is no threat why the funeral security?

The man either lied in the beginning or is lying now.. It is a huge contradiction, not even a play on words or a spin. He is lying to everyone about this case.

Is he a liar always? No idea.

Oh and he is discussing all this with the Sheriff and probably telling him.what to say, that part is just my opinion.

This man is contradicting words and more importantly, ACTIONS they are taking.

So he is basically saying, everything is peachy keen, nothing to see here, move along.

He is knee deep in a **** storm of a political nightmare and knows it. He is worried about his career above everything.. Unless of course he shocks us and someone is arrested and we find out the man is a genius investigator.

I'm not buying that right now.

I don't know why he would contradict what Reader said earlier. It only makes them look stupid- like they have no idea who did the crime. I really hope this is a facade that'll help them out with the case in the end, but with the AG I don't know. He doesn't give me the same impression and Reader did.

 

[rsd1200]

If there was no threat to or from someone, there is no way they would have all of that security at the visitations.

I'm thinking they also want to see who came and didn't come. They're taking down license plates, and running them, I'll bet money on it. The killer(s) could very well be at the funeral tomorrow or the visitation tonight. If they know the family it would look out of place if they don't show up.