OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs, money, & dog found abandoned, Oct 2009 - #2

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Does anyone know where Sherilyn was born?

MAYBE Oklahoma City, OK (her sister was born there according to the sister's obituary). Sherilynn's DOB is November 5, 1968.

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Marla D. Heflin, 36, of Gahanna, passed away suddenly Tuesday morning, Sept. 25, 2007, at Mount Carmel East Hospital in Columbus, after a brief illness.

Born Nov. 2, 1970, in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. ...

... mother, Connie (Bowman) Kokotan of Midwest City, Oklahoma; father, Doug Duncan of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma ...
 
Ok,

I think that I am so close to this case that I am having a hard time seeing things straigt. Oh I wanted to mention that where the truck was found there was NO room to get out on the passeger side of the vehile, it was parked on the side of the rd. with a cliff off to the side. Can we make a list of possibilities of things that happend to this family? I will start.

1- Killed for $$ by family (supported by their very odd behaivor and seemingly non caring)

2- Killed for $$ by someone else (apparently Bobby had very little self-disclosure and liked to tell everyone just about everything)

3- Kidnapped, possibly by Mafia?

4- Strayed off and got lost (unlikly with Bobby's back condition, and not being found in area)

5- Family is hiding out in some time share in Mexico, or some where else- why leave the $$ behind?

6- Murder suicide- still a possibility, but why go way out there to do it?

SOOO overwhelming!
 
I think that I am so close to this case that I am having a hard time seeing things straigt. Oh I wanted to mention that where the truck was found there was NO room to get out on the passeger side of the vehile, it was parked on the side of the rd. with a cliff off to the side. Can we make a list of possibilities of things that happend to this family? I will start.

Interesting. Do you think they all got out of the drivers side or do you think they got out then he parked?

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... Oh I wanted to mention that where the truck was found there was NO room to get out on the passeger side of the vehile, it was parked on the side of the rd. with a cliff off to the side ...
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That doesn't coincide with the pics we have seen of the truck mtrooper. Do you have an explanation for the discrepancy? Thanks.
 
That is what Peggy (a lady who had spoke to the Jamison's and lives on the mountain) said. She was the one that gave the Jamison's GPS coordinates, and went out to see the truck shortly after it was found to meet the LE. She also saw their truck headed up towards the property on the 8th. I agree the picture makes it look like there is more space than what she said. I am wondering if we are not getting a good angle?
 
The property owners actually live in FL, but there is a LOT of property that is forsale up there. Apparently a big NFL star used to own thousands of acres up on Panola Mtn., but he gave most of it away and sold a LOT of it to Pine Mountain Ranch. Here are some of the links, none of them are the exact location where the truck was found. I have the GPS coord. if anyone thinks that they would be helpful. Apparently the property was listed on both Craigslist and Ebay, but I cant seem to find the listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/OKLAHOMA-TIMBER-LAND,-5-Acres--**$157%2Fmo**--_W0QQitemZ110490702189QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20100208?IMSfp=TL100208181001r28759

http://www.pinemountainranch.com/OKRanch.html

http://www.therockymtns.com/LargeCabinInfo.html
 
Ok,

I think that I am so close to this case that I am having a hard time seeing things straigt. Oh I wanted to mention that where the truck was found there was NO room to get out on the passeger side of the vehile, it was parked on the side of the rd. with a cliff off to the side. Can we make a list of possibilities of things that happend to this family? I will start.

1- Killed for $$ by family (supported by their very odd behaivor and seemingly non caring)

2- Killed for $$ by someone else (apparently Bobby had very little self-disclosure and liked to tell everyone just about everything)

3- Kidnapped, possibly by Mafia?

4- Strayed off and got lost (unlikly with Bobby's back condition, and not being found in area)

5- Family is hiding out in some time share in Mexico, or some where else- why leave the $$ behind?

6- Murder suicide- still a possibility, but why go way out there to do it?

SOOO overwhelming!

A good list, but I'd add "done in by locals," for reasons involving possibly seeing something they weren't supposed to see. (Or maybe what I would call "The 'Deliverance' Factor" - there are some mean cusses in OK who just don't take kindly to strangers in their neck of the woods; meth usage exacerbates this!)

If they were killed for reasons other than those you list, it explains the locked truck with all the $$$ left behind - the killer(s) had no idea that they'd happened on a family with $30,000+ on hand; thus, they didn't take time to look for it. (And the Jamisons didn't look like the sort of folk who had that much money, at least in their vehicle, plus possibly were apprehended away from the truck.)

And again, mtrooper, THANK YOU for the great work you've done and are doing! (I dropped my "they disappeared voluntarily" vote after you found out just how much "a substantial amount" of money was, in this case.)
 
Ok,

I think that I am so close to this case that I am having a hard time seeing things straigt. Oh I wanted to mention that where the truck was found there was NO room to get out on the passeger side of the vehile, it was parked on the side of the rd. with a cliff off to the side. Can we make a list of possibilities of things that happend to this family? I will start.

1- Killed for $$ by family (supported by their very odd behaivor and seemingly non caring)

2- Killed for $$ by someone else (apparently Bobby had very little self-disclosure and liked to tell everyone just about everything)

3- Kidnapped, possibly by Mafia?


4- Strayed off and got lost (unlikly with Bobby's back condition, and not being found in area)

5- Family is hiding out in some time share in Mexico, or some where else- why leave the $$ behind?

6- Murder suicide- still a possibility, but why go way out there to do it?

SOOO overwhelming!

BBM above... I think 1,2,and 3 are good possibilities.

My hinky meter is still up on the man who stayed with them over the summer as well.
It is like they stepped out of the truck and just vanished.
With Bobby being so open about his affairs it is probally safe to say he shared with alot of people and the list of perps would grow....

Dad could have owed quite a bit of money perhaps relating to drugs and I could see someone taking them for a ransom of what was owed until paid, but since dad has passed and not only that Bobby had money to be able to pay someone to get them free.

I am still leaning towards the inheritance issue with Madyson. I just find it odd that we are not hearing any pleas from the family members associated here only with the exception of Sherilynn's mother and best friend. Nothing from Bobby's mom, nothing from either uncle's that speaks volumes to me, if anything you would think they would plead for the safe return of the grandaughter and niece.
Perhaps Starlet should use the money she recieved from LE ($30,000) to put up as a reward for information maybe someone is waiting...

Mtrooper did you bring the will issue to the attention of whom you are speaking to ? and if so did you get any kind of response ?

With the truck being parked with only one side being accesable to get out perhaps it was moved there and left.
With everything being left in the vehicle it is like there was only one purpose and that was to take the family. You would think if it was random or they were killed for their money everything would have been gone, why leave it ?

One other thing was the truck looked over for prints ? I would like to know if it was wiped down clean or maybe just the door and steering wheel that would tell us alot .

Motive is what we need, random kidnappings are rare. Family has motive due to inheritance, the summer guy has motive just due to his ugly nature of being racist against Sherilynn and Madyson because of their native american descent, and last but not least if drugs were the norm in this family there could be motive if alot of money was owed to the mafia, if dad or Bobby were dealing large amounts of drugs it is possible the drugs were fronted and repayed after they were sold, if they failed to repay there could be a problem.
Now that I said that it could even be some whacked out druugie that they were selling to that felt they were ripped off ...

The family is top on my hinky list though ...

I also want to thank you mtrooper for all the hard work you are putting into this case it helps alot
 
I completly agree!! I asked the same question about the reward. He said that there is a reward, but was not posted by the family. As far as the prints go, he said that the only prints found in the vehicle were the Jamisons. I am thinking that since half of the money that they recieved from the settlement is missing, then maybe they took that money not realizing that there was more under the seat. I would still think that they would have checked the wallets/ purses though. And if it was a robbery I would think when they were getting shuffled out of the vehicle the dog would have got out, but then again it could have been a timid dog and just hid. I am so baffled. I agree with the posibility of it being a local and could be the guy that Penny mentioned who used to work for the Jamisons that now lives in Red Oak. They could all be the same person. As far as the foot prints go, there were foot prints, but the rain really messed them up. But we DO know that the Jamisons were up there that day because the picture that everyone has of Madyson was taken AT THE PROPERTY on one of the Cell phones.
 
I know that this might sound jaded... but the lady (Penny) who had called the Police, said that her family took care of the dog for a while before Starlet decided to meet them to get the dog. Well apparently Starlet didn't even know the dogs name. Let alone shed a tear. I dont care what issues I have/had with my child...As a parent I would be devistated. I guess she was too busy filing probate paperwork at the courthouse.

Sorry.....you can all yell at me. I know that was hateful.
 
Mr Trooper, great info! Thank you so much for this. The interesting thing about no room to get out of the passenger side of the truck, could be that there were no passengers to get out of that side of the truck. For instance, I drive most of the time by myself and never think about that side of the car when I park. As a result many times passengers go to get out the passenger side, and either I'm right up against a snowbank or too close to a curb, etc. I have to move my vehicle so there is room for them to get out. Makes me think someone left the car there and had no thoughts regarding the passengers.

The fact that the settlement info was flowing freely gives me a robbery gone wrong vibe. There are quite a few threads at WS about some hideous crimes commited just merely based on rumors that someone came into money via a settlement or inheritance. The perp may have thought there was money on the Jamison's only to find out that it was a check if they found the check at all. The check would be worthless because it would be virtually impossible to cash without a trail leading back to the suspect.
 
I know that this might sound jaded... but the lady (Penny) who had called the Police, said that her family took care of the dog for a while before Starlet decided to meet them to get the dog. Well apparently Starlet didn't even know the dogs name. Let alone shed a tear. I dont care what issues I have/had with my child...As a parent I would be devistated. I guess she was too busy filing probate paperwork at the courthouse.

Sorry.....you can all yell at me. I know that was hateful.

IMO, a good observation.
 
I have to agree with everyone, mtrooper! You are doing an excellent job of getting information and posting it. Thank you!
 
I know that this might sound jaded... but the lady (Penny) who had called the Police, said that her family took care of the dog for a while before Starlet decided to meet them to get the dog. Well apparently Starlet didn't even know the dogs name. Let alone shed a tear. I dont care what issues I have/had with my child...As a parent I would be devistated. I guess she was too busy filing probate paperwork at the courthouse.

Sorry.....you can all yell at me. I know that was hateful.

Hateful, yes very hateful ;) but so gosh darn hard to read all the fine print with eyes awash in tears, no? :silenced:
 
OK, so I have spoke with the neighbors of the property today, and I dont know what it is worth...But I really do not feel that they are involved in this. They were both very kind and helpful and are willing to help in any way possible. I also contacted a medium today and hopefully they will be able to get us some answers as well. The one neighbor mentioned that back in about november, 4 people came up to his house and asked to be led to "the site", they claimed to be Bobbys mom and dad, and one was named Jack. So I am guessing Sarlet, maybe she has a new BF. And Jack and his wife. Well long story short the property owner asked them point blank why they didn't come up to help with the search, even just to bring the searchers food and water. And they responded with somthing along the lines of, we dont want to touch anything so they could get our fingerprints and try to pin this on us. WHY WOULD THEY "PIN THIS" on anyone if there was no crime committed? I have to say though.....I bet the relationship between Jack and Starlet took a quick turn for the worse after she found out that there was a new will and her name was not included in it as a beneficiary. Somthing to be said for Karma is a B*%$H. And not to mention....Why would you put a reward out for your missing loved one if you knew what happend to them, or worse yet, if someone else found out about it and was actually able to produce a body,...then she would have actually had to give them some of that hard earned money of hers. ( I am SO going to hell for that one)
 
Hmmmm, I think I just found the money problem the Jamisons were in. Apparently Sherilynn owed about $31,949 in back due child support. I will attach the link from the court case. Her previous name was Sherilynn Mangum. Look at this document:
02-14-2008 Mangum, Sherilyn 53276428
ANSWER BY PLAINTIFF SHERILYN MANGUM THROUGH ATY LARRY G CASSIL
Document Available (#1006221127)

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oc...=caseGeneral&casemasterID=1560352&db=Oklahoma

Ok after re-reading that it looks like Sherilyn was looking to collect that 31,949 not owe. Am I reading this correctly?
 
So it appears that Sherilynn has been married 6 times.
Duncan- Maiden name
Anthony Hightower- Divorce 1986
Stanley Eugene Jennings- Divorce 3/28/1990
Jeffrey Dee Waling- 5/17/91-1/17/1992
Billy Dean Mangum (coltons father)- 10/15/1993-9/30/1996
Tommy J. Yost- 1/8/01-12/13/02
Bobby Jamison- Cant seem to find anything on this one.
 
So it appears that Sherilynn has been married 6 times.
Duncan- Maiden name
Anthony Hightower- Divorce 1986
Stanley Eugene Jennings- Divorce 3/28/1990
Jeffrey Dee Waling- 5/17/91-1/17/1992
Billy Dean Mangum (coltons father)- 10/15/1993-9/30/1996
Tommy J. Yost- 1/8/01-12/13/02
Bobby Jamison- Cant seem to find anything on this one.

Thanks for that mtrooper.

Given that Colton is the only other child that we are aware of, it would seem at this time that Billy is the one who owed the back-payments for child support.
 
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