OK - Jody Rilee Wilson, 23, murdered, Wister, 5 May 2009 *Arrests*
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robertjacksonjr
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We have the unsolved murder case of Kara Fuller which also involved water. She was found floating near the Lake Stanley Draper Dam in Oklahoma City in 2004.
On June 8, 2004 the body of an unidentified female was found floating in Lake Stanley Draper near the intersection of S.E. 104th and E. Draper Lake Rd. It was not until June 28, 2004 that she was identified as Kara Fuller. Ms. Fuller was originally from Wichita, Kansas and had prior arrests for prostitution.
http://johntv.com/?p=379
On June 8, 2004 the body of an unidentified female was found floating in Lake Stanley Draper near the intersection of S.E. 104th and E. Draper Lake Rd. It was not until June 28, 2004 that she was identified as Kara Fuller. Ms. Fuller was originally from Wichita, Kansas and had prior arrests for prostitution.
http://johntv.com/?p=379
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Poor Kara. That's going to be a hard one to solve.
When I hear about the killing and dumping of a prostitute, my mind goes straight to serial killer. Someone preying on those they feel will not be immediately missed when the opportunity strikes. Then again, one of those gangbangers could've made good on their threats. What a shame.
It could also be that these bodies are naturally floating towards the dam. I've been poking around to see if this is a common occurrence, but haven't really found anything.
When I hear about the killing and dumping of a prostitute, my mind goes straight to serial killer. Someone preying on those they feel will not be immediately missed when the opportunity strikes. Then again, one of those gangbangers could've made good on their threats. What a shame.
It could also be that these bodies are naturally floating towards the dam. I've been poking around to see if this is a common occurrence, but haven't really found anything.
Robert, it doesn't say how she was killed but alludes to being strangled. I am assumming she did'nt drown because she was found floating, right? Sorry Brooke for responding to the wrong post. If you drown, you go to the bottom right away or what?
robertjacksonjr
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We have four local cases where the homicide either occured near a body of water, or the victim was dumped.Two of the cases have been solved.
I don't have any information on what method was used in the Fuller homicide. I have also attached a pdf file regarding how a body reacts to water.
1. Denise Stice
2. Kara Fuller
3. Juli Busken http://www.amw.com/captures/brief.cfm?id=27666
4. Roxy Ruddell http://www.wetv.com/photo-galleries...terror/elliot-tying-roxy-ruddell-s-hands.html
Sinking, putrefaction and refloating
A body in water will usually sink but because the specific gravity of a body is
very close to that of water then small variations e.g. air trapped in clothing have a
considerable effect on buoyancy. Having sunk to the bottom the body will remain
there until putrefactive gas formation decreases the specific gravity of the body
and creates sufficient buoyancy to allow it to rise to the surface and float. Heavy
clothing and weights attached to the body may delay but will not usually prevent
the body rising. Putrefaction proceeds at a slower rate in water than in air, in sea
water than in fresh water and in running water than in stagnant water. The
principal determinant is the temperature of the water so that in deep very cold
water e.g. the North American Great Lakes or the ocean the body may never
resurface.
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/water.pdf
I don't have any information on what method was used in the Fuller homicide. I have also attached a pdf file regarding how a body reacts to water.
1. Denise Stice
2. Kara Fuller
3. Juli Busken http://www.amw.com/captures/brief.cfm?id=27666
4. Roxy Ruddell http://www.wetv.com/photo-galleries...terror/elliot-tying-roxy-ruddell-s-hands.html
Sinking, putrefaction and refloating
A body in water will usually sink but because the specific gravity of a body is
very close to that of water then small variations e.g. air trapped in clothing have a
considerable effect on buoyancy. Having sunk to the bottom the body will remain
there until putrefactive gas formation decreases the specific gravity of the body
and creates sufficient buoyancy to allow it to rise to the surface and float. Heavy
clothing and weights attached to the body may delay but will not usually prevent
the body rising. Putrefaction proceeds at a slower rate in water than in air, in sea
water than in fresh water and in running water than in stagnant water. The
principal determinant is the temperature of the water so that in deep very cold
water e.g. the North American Great Lakes or the ocean the body may never
resurface.
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/water.pdf
Thank you very much Robert. I don't suggest reading the Dept. of For. Med, Un.of Dundee report if you have a weak stomach. This part was very interesting though:
'Homicidal drowining is uncommon and requires either physical disparity between the assailant and the victim or a victim incapacitated by disease, drink or drugs, or taken by surprise. Disposal in water may be attempted where the victim has already been killed by other means.'
Again, thank you Robert.
'Homicidal drowining is uncommon and requires either physical disparity between the assailant and the victim or a victim incapacitated by disease, drink or drugs, or taken by surprise. Disposal in water may be attempted where the victim has already been killed by other means.'
Again, thank you Robert.
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thank you for this information. My dad was joe neff, murdered may 14, 2009. He was shot and dumped in a strip pit. He was discovered 3 days later. His killer has never been identified. Thats why i came here. I have wondered often about the days he was in the water. Not that i want to dwell there, i cant help but think of it sometimes. It makes me sad, he was my hero. Thank you again. If you get an opportunity, look at my dads thread. Maybe you could offer some insight as well. Thanks
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hey there, thanks for the tip on the red truck. Joe neff is my dad. From what information i have heard, the red truck in question is much older than the one in picture. I actually heard it described as an older model import. Maybe nissan or toyota. Since then i have not heard any more info. Thanks so much.
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missingmydad, I hope the information regarding the water was not offensive or hurtful. My perspective on these homicide cases is they ARE NOT just bodies. These are cherished family members who deserve respect, dignity and justice. We the living, have an obligation to seek justice on their behalf. I hope and pray that the person or persons who took your Dad's life will be brought to justice.
Wouldn't it be something if Joe's girlfriends new b.f. knows Bo's new g.f? Let me guess, Joes girl is dating a younger man, and Bo is dating an older girlfriend. That would say it all for me. If not, then I would go away and shut the hell up. It all seems's to weird that both of them went out and found someone that fast. I'am still hardly over my divorce 12 years ago.
Joe was dating a younger woman, 45 years of age. Here are my small thoughts on this case....
According to a recently posted forum message, Jody’s Facebook account on May 5 (the day her husband left for New Mexico) displayed a note saying that she lost her cellphone and that anyone "really" needed to reach her, to call her husband. Donald "Bo" Wilson returned on Saturday to find his wife and her truck missing. (http://crimeshadowsnews.com/main/2009/06/what-happened-to-jody-rilee-wilson/)
and from jody rilee wilson post #66..."Investigators are hopeful they will be able to check surveillance video to see who might have left the SUV behind."http://www.4029tv.com/news/19728819/detail.html
why have the footage not been checked and, if not found to be useful, cleared?
I couldnt agree more with the posters who ask why Jodys husband went with the baby and she stayed behind?
According to a recently posted forum message, Jody’s Facebook account on May 5 (the day her husband left for New Mexico) displayed a note saying that she lost her cellphone and that anyone "really" needed to reach her, to call her husband. Donald "Bo" Wilson returned on Saturday to find his wife and her truck missing. (http://crimeshadowsnews.com/main/2009/06/what-happened-to-jody-rilee-wilson/)
and from jody rilee wilson post #66..."Investigators are hopeful they will be able to check surveillance video to see who might have left the SUV behind."http://www.4029tv.com/news/19728819/detail.html
why have the footage not been checked and, if not found to be useful, cleared?
I couldnt agree more with the posters who ask why Jodys husband went with the baby and she stayed behind?
I don't know if you misunderstood what I was saying. Joes girlfriend has a new boyfriend. Jodies ex husband has a new girlfriend. Just seems strange to me, at it sure would be weird if they knew each other.
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Those links re the surveillance equipment are old articles from last May and June. Surely LE has been able to review them by now.
The one link to the article about Jody's SUV
http://www.4029tv.com/news/19728819/detail.html
has a picture of their residence. Not being snobby here ... just an observation .. they sure weren't living in the lap of luxury, and the place looks blank and exudes zero warmth.
The one link to the article about Jody's SUV
http://www.4029tv.com/news/19728819/detail.html
has a picture of their residence. Not being snobby here ... just an observation .. they sure weren't living in the lap of luxury, and the place looks blank and exudes zero warmth.
It doesn't look like they could spare 35 bucks for a weed whacker.
I was just stating the fact their ages are closer than most would assume (Joe was in his early 60's i think) and she is only 7 years older than Missingmydad...
I understand the cameras should have been looked at long ago, why not release information on it, or ever dropping his gfs name? Everyone is fair game, especially the first person at the crime scene, JMO.
I understand the cameras should have been looked at long ago, why not release information on it, or ever dropping his gfs name? Everyone is fair game, especially the first person at the crime scene, JMO.
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Very true GB ... we had Chipper's name early on, plus saw the media clips of him, so why zilch re the gf?
ETA: Sorry, I see we are discussing this is in the wrong thread.
I couldn't agree more with you on this and I think that Bo's girlfriend should be revealed so we can see if they are one of the same.... if I'm following you correctly on this. I personnally think that it's too short of time to be connecting with someone when you wife and boyfriend haven't even been gone a year and even a year is too short of a time. I don't think I could move on so quickly. As for where Jody was living they were trying to improve their living conditions by adding on a addition to the trailer. I'm a good friend of hers and know she wasn't raised to live like that and she didn't want to live like that, she also didn't want to become like so many of those women down there that stop caring about their appearance and just give up.
Hope some hopeful news about this case comes out soon.
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Someone posted this on Topix - haven't read all of it yet.
Link to story- Fired Oklahoma examiner plans lawsuit, attorney says
Board votes to terminate official after concerns were raised
Read more: http://www.newsok.com/fired-oklahom...2?custom_click=lead_story_title#ixzz0fAnplvxY
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Link to story- Fired Oklahoma examiner plans lawsuit, attorney says
Board votes to terminate official after concerns were raised
Read more: http://www.newsok.com/fired-oklahom...2?custom_click=lead_story_title#ixzz0fAnplvxY
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That is just great Trant has been as long as Jody has been gone.... 9 mons! Which means it is very likely, he may have had a hand in her autopsy.