OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #13

[Calliope]

DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY CONNECTION??? (Grey pickup truck). He was spotted by a body of water---NOT GOOD. They should check that body of water ASAP.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/suicidal_man_leads_three_law_e.html#incart_rh

Didn't that truck driver say he saw a kid looking like Kyron in a dark gray or black pickup? IF this matches that description, then they should at least rule this guy out.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Good mornina all! Quick question for anybody from that area: Does anyone know if this school or school district has a history of complaints being bought off or swept under the rug? Ie: Inappropriate touching by staff, aides, volunteers, other students, occupants of the school? Or, if you're in the know, if these kinds of circumstances do occur, how does the administrator handle the situation?

 

[R4ORT]

Please forgive me for possibly opening a can of worms but in the last presser, the sheriff states...

From 02:00

"All along we have said that we are looking at a full spectrum of possibilities as to what happened to Kyron. With the search and rescue mission completed at this time, we are moving operations towards the criminal investigative end of the spectrum. While we are still keeping all options open, it's a natural progression to move the overall focus to a criminal case."

BBM

Having slept on the case, I am listening slightly differently as I did when first hearing the presser yesterday. I am unfamiliar with US protocol and wondering whether in cases where no initial foul play/criminal activity is suspected, the process flow is SAR, then criminal investigation regardless as to whether evidence of criminal activity is discovered? IMO it sounds like it could (using the term loosely at the moment) still end up being an accident/misadventure scenario involving just Kyron.

What differences are there now that the case is being treated as criminal? i.e.
Do they have access to resources that were unavailable when case was missing person/SAR?

Sorry for the long winded post - hope I'm making sense

http://www.kptv.com/video/23886770/index.html

 

[sofia76]

At first I thought the jacket and backpack being left behind would have been noticed, but now I'm not so sure. Kids leave behind jackets and bags all the time. Even older kids do. I don't have school aged kids myself, but I remember my younger siblings frequently leaving coats and books behind.

I am always in the logic mood myself, so I get you Emma. Heres what sticks in my crawl, Kyron went into the school, I read he dropped off the backpack and jacket went with SM to the set up of science project, then goes down a hall and is never seen again. No one is missing him??????

You are right, there was some breakdown of communication or a mis direction of communication. Did no one question the fact he left his backpack and jacket? Forget everything else for the moment. It's the end of the day, there is his jacket and backpack, there in a closet or a where ever, not seen all day, project there, no Kyron. You are right that this is something you know LE jumped on. They have to be on a gag order at the school. Either LE or the school system legal counsel saying don't say a word.

 

[Bee Charmer]

Good morning everyone.

Regardless of what LE said, in my opinion they treated this case as a crime from the very first hours. LE calling in specialists in child abductions is proof of that.

What LE actually do and what they reveal to the public is sometimes two very different things, imo.

 

[sofia76]

What does "BBM" mean? I keep seeing that, but can't figure out what it means.

I totally agree, by the way. I don't think anything has changed. I think they have no real evidence to suggest that Kyron was abducted so they proceeded with emphasis on search and rescue, although they explored the possibility that he was kidnapped. Now that they've found no trace of him in the areas they figured he would be if he'd been on foot, they are pretty much done with the search and rescue unless acting on new information. And because they are no longer spending so much energy on search and rescue, this means the focus of their investigation will be on the rest of that "spectrum."

I think it's not so much that they now believe he was kidnapped. It sounds to me that they just have exhausted the search protocol.

I think Kyron is out there in those hills/forests, just not found. I still wonder why they never mentioned Forest Park at all. I have never tried to access it from the west side; maybe it is just not accessible from the west very easily. I'm assuming they had a topography expert on hand and some type of psychologist who worked as part of a team to determine routes Kyron could have travelled on foot given the weather, etc.

Please forgive me for possibly opening a can of worms but in the last presser, the sheriff states...

From 02:00

"All along we have said that we are looking at a full spectrum of possibilities as to what happened to Kyron. With the search and rescue mission completed at this time, we are moving operations towards the criminal investigative end of the spectrum. While we are still keeping all options open, it's a natural progression to move the overall focus to a criminal case."

BBM

Having slept on the case, I am listening slightly differently as I did when first hearing the presser yesterday. I am unfamiliar with US protocol and wondering whether in cases where no initial foul play/criminal activity is suspected, the process flow is SAR, then criminal investigation regardless as to whether evidence of criminal activity is discovered? IMO it sounds like it could (using the term loosely at the moment) still end up being an accident/misadventure scenario involving just Kyron.

What differences are there now that the case is being treated as criminal? i.e.
Do they have access to resources that were unavailable when case was missing person/SAR?

Sorry for the long winded post - hope I'm making sense

http://www.kptv.com/video/23886770/index.html

 

[Calliope]

NEW PPS RAPID BROADCAST SYSTEM

In an effort to broaden our ability to effectively communicate with parents and guardians regarding important, time sensitive information, Portland Public Schools will be implementing a new Rapid Broadcast System for the 2008-09 school year.

The PPS Rapid Broadcast System provides the ability to quickly contact parents/guardians of students through various methods, such as emergency contact phone numbers, emails and text messaging. Using the new Rapid Broadcast System, messages can be sent to students’ parents or guardians for inclement weather related school delays and closures, safety and security related issues or facility related issues, among others.


IMPORTANT!

The PPS Rapid Broadcast System uses parent/guardian contact information retrieved directly from eSIS student information system. Therefore, it is important that your eSIS parent/guardian contact information is updated and accurate at all times.

To assist you in providing accurate data to us for use with the RBS, there is an amendment attached to your students’ 2008-09 school year registration form. This amendment will explain how to fill out the registration form correctly for use with the PPS RBS.

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The above was in a student handbook I downloaded; not sure how to link to it =\

If you google 'Portland Public Schools rapid broadcast system', it's the one titled "layout 1"

Found other references to the new system:

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2008/12...glish-spanish-russian-chinese-and-vietnamese/

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/11/portland_looking_for_better_em.html

 

[Calliope]

What does "BBM" mean? I keep seeing that, but can't figure out what it means.

bolded by me

 

[Pensfan]

Godd morning, Bee Charmer!
I wish there was a website that explained the protocol for when the FBI Child Abduction Unit decides to accept a case. (Do they come immediately when called by any LE Department? Do they only come if there is a chance that it is a kidnapping/ransom case?) I would also like to know how many teams this department has available. (How many of these specialist are there? Is there a team in every state?)

Does your doggy have on a Pittsburgh Steeler's coat and hat? What is he wearing. He is cute!

Good morning everyone.

Regardless of what LE said, in my opinion they treated this case as a crime from the very first hours. LE calling in specialists in child abductions is proof of that.

What LE actually do and what they reveal to the public is sometimes two very different things, imo.

 

[sofia76]

The link you posted appears to be about a suicidal man who led police on a chase ... nothing to do with Kyron. Am I missing something?

When was Kyron spotted by a body of water? This is the first I'm hearing of that.

DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY CONNECTION??? (Grey pickup truck). He was spotted by a body of water---NOT GOOD. They should check that body of water ASAP.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/suicidal_man_leads_three_law_e.html#incart_rh

 

[Ms Suzanne]

This has been very sad.I pray they are still looking for Kyron and they find him today.

 

[Pensfan]

(Ooops. Need coffee.) I believe the previously posted Rapid Broadcast System is for large scale emergencies like my state's Snow Emergency Plan.
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NEW PPS RAPID BROADCAST SYSTEM

In an effort to broaden our ability to effectively communicate with parents and guardians regarding important, time sensitive information, Portland Public Schools will be implementing a new Rapid Broadcast System for the 2008-09 school year.

The PPS Rapid Broadcast System provides the ability to quickly contact parents/guardians of students through various methods, such as emergency contact phone numbers, emails and text messaging. Using the new Rapid Broadcast System, messages can be sent to students’ parents or guardians for inclement weather related school delays and closures, safety and security related issues or facility related issues, among others.


IMPORTANT!

The PPS Rapid Broadcast System uses parent/guardian contact information retrieved directly from eSIS student information system. Therefore, it is important that your eSIS parent/guardian contact information is updated and accurate at all times.

To assist you in providing accurate data to us for use with the RBS, there is an amendment attached to your students’ 2008-09 school year registration form. This amendment will explain how to fill out the registration form correctly for use with the PPS RBS.

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The above was in a student handbook I downloaded; not sure how to link to it =\

If you google 'Portland Public Schools rapid broadcast system', it's the one titled "layout 1"

Found other references to the new system:

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2008/12/...nd-vietnamese/

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...better_em.html
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[Calliope]

Please forgive me for possibly opening a can of worms but in the last presser, the sheriff states...

From 02:00

"All along we have said that we are looking at a full spectrum of possibilities as to what happened to Kyron. With the search and rescue mission completed at this time, we are moving operations towards the criminal investigative end of the spectrum. While we are still keeping all options open, it's a natural progression to move the overall focus to a criminal case."

BBM

Having slept on the case, I am listening slightly differently as I did when first hearing the presser yesterday. I am unfamiliar with US protocol and wondering whether in cases where no initial foul play/criminal activity is suspected, the process flow is SAR, then criminal investigation regardless as to whether evidence of criminal activity is discovered? IMO it sounds like it could (using the term loosely at the moment) still end up being an accident/misadventure scenario involving just Kyron.

What differences are there now that the case is being treated as criminal? i.e.
Do they have access to resources that were unavailable when case was missing person/SAR?

Sorry for the long winded post - hope I'm making sense

http://www.kptv.com/video/23886770/index.html

I think you're right. IMO, they simply ruled out the probability that he'd wandered off on his own. As far as their resources, they had criminal investigators on it from the beginning (per press conference, and that the FBI profilers and CARD unit are involved).

 

[Calliope]

Epic failure of this well-written policy. How sad!

But the school itself didn't have a system in place to call for absences. Just to clarify...what I linked to was information on the district's alert system.

Also, IIRC, LE put out a reverse 911.

 

[DairyGirl]

Good morning everyone.

Regardless of what LE said, in my opinion they treated this case as a crime from the very first hours. LE calling in specialists in child abductions is proof of that.

What LE actually do and what they reveal to the public is sometimes two very different things, imo.

I agree. We don't have access to the information that LE does. We don't know what evidence they have have or what they have been told. They know things like who Kyron was last seen with and at what time. They know if there were any suspicious people around, suspicious cars, if they have given lie detector tests, gathered cell phone and computer records, things we might know anything about. I am sure from the beginning they were treating this as a missing persons case and a criminal case. Just because they don't tell us doesn't mean they haven't investigated all angles. Personally, I am feeling more confident that they are gathing all the data they can and have an idea of what happened. I wouldn't be surprised if they were close to making an arrest soon. Of course, I may be wrong and they may be whistling in the dark but I think they have things well in hand.

 

[sofia76]

They continued doing interviews after Sunday. I saw articles that indicated interviews were still being conducted during the school week.

"By the end of the week, investigators interviewed all the families of the 300 Skyline students. Gates said parents had been very cooperative."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37523071

It appears the Sunday interviews were for people who were at the school on Friday. So when did they speak to students, parents, staff and volunteers, contract workers, etc., who weren't noted to be present on Friday?

 

[Reality Orlando]

I find it hard to believe that all the volunteers get a LE background check. Who pays for that? We have to buy our own copy paper sometimes, and I'm in a huge district.

In our school district, you can't even go on a field trip without a background check. Everyone who volunteers or works with kids must pay to have their fingerprints run and a background check performed by FDLE. It's been that way for at least the past 7 years.

 

[Pensfan]

But the school itself didn't have a system in place to call for absences. Just to clarify...what I linked to was information on the district's alert system.

Also, IIRC, LE put out a reverse 911.

You are correct and I am caffeine deficient.

 

[Calliope]

Godd morning, Bee Charmer!
I wish there was a website that explained the protocol for when the FBI Child Abduction Unit decides to accept a case. (Do they come immediately when called by any LE Department? Do they only come if there is a chance that it is a kidnapping/ransom case?) I would also like to know how many teams this department has available. (How many of these specialist are there? Is there a team in every state?)

Does your doggy have on a Pittsburgh Steeler's coat and hat? What is he wearing. He is cute!

Hi

I posted this on a previous thread. If I'm reading it correctly, the FBI doesn't have to wait for an invitation from local LE; in cases of children being kidnapped or a "mysterious disappearance" they have automatic jurisdiction.

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http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01035.htm

1035

FBI Assistance in Missing Persons Cases

In a missing person case, as a matter of cooperation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) will, at the request of a state or local law enforcement agency, make available the facilities of the FBI Identification Division and the FBI Laboratory.

Information pertaining to certain categories of missing persons, including missing children, may be entered into the missing person file of the FBI operated National Crime Information Center (NCIC) by the local law enforcement agencies and, since passage of the Missing Children Act (Pub. L. 97-272, amending, 28 U.S.C. § 534), by parents of missing children if the local law enforcement agency will not do so.

1036

24 Hours Rebuttable Presumption

The rebuttable presumption set forth in 18 U.S.C. § 1201(b) does not create a presumption of kidnapping. Rather, it creates a presumption of transportation in interstate or foreign commerce in cases where an actual kidnapping has been established. The presumption was added to the statute to give the FBI jurisdiction to investigate. In a Federal prosecution under 18 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(1), actual interstate or foreign transportation must be proved. See United States v. Moore, 571 F.2d 76 (2d Cir. 1978).

Also:

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm

In 1932, Congress gave the FBI jurisdiction under the “Lindbergh Law” to immediately investigate any reported mysterious disappearance or kidnapping involving a child of “tender age”—usually 12 or younger. And just to be clear, before we get involved there does NOT have to be a ransom demand and the child does NOT have to cross state lines or be missing for 24 hours.

Introducing the CARD Teams

Child abductions by strangers are often complex and high-profile cases. And time is of the essence.

That’s why we’ve added another tool in our Crimes Against Children program that helps our local field offices in these cases: our Child Abduction Rapid Deployment, or CARD, teams.

Here’s the “who, what, when, and where” of these teams:

WHO makes up a CARD team? FBI agents with in-depth experience and a proven track record in crimes against children investigations, especially cases where a child has been abducted by someone other than a family member. Once selected, team members go through extensive training. Each team has a designated leader. The teams work closely with behavioral analysts, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC) coordinators, and Crimes Against Children coordinators.

WHAT do the CARD teams do? Relying on their expertise and experience, team members make sure the investigation moves quickly, efficiently, and thoroughly. They provide our field divisions running the investigations with on-site investigative, technical, and resource assistance during the initial critical period after a child is kidnapped.

WHEN are the teams deployed? Soon after an abduction has been reported to a local FBI field office, to FBI Headquarters, or to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, or in other cases when the FBI determines an investigation is warranted.

WHERE are the teams located and WHERE have they been deployed? We’ve created ten regional teams nationwide: two each in the northeast, southeast, north central, south central, and west. With the whole nation covered, we can send a team anywhere in the U.S. within hours.

In addition to their unique expertise, CARD teams can quickly establish an on-site command post to centralize investigative efforts and operations. Other assets they bring to the table include a new mapping tool to identify and locate registered sex offenders in the area, national and international lead coverage, and the Child Abduction Response Plan to guide investigative efforts.

Child Abductions—No Ransom

Our field offices respond to cases involving the mysterious disappearance of a child whenever and however they come to our attention. All reports of circumstances indicating that a minor has or possibly has been abducted are afforded an immediate preliminary inquiry.

In this initial inquiry, we evaluate all evidence, circumstances, and information to determine if an investigation is warranted under federal law. (For instance, it is a federal violation for a person to travel between states to engage in any sexual act with a person under 18.) If a case is warranted, we will immediately open an investigation in partnership with state and local authorities.

During 2005 alone, law enforcement entered 632,804 children as missing into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center database. Although the majority of these children were temporarily missing and not abducted, we are committed to assisting law enforcement in investigating cases where there is appropriate jurisdiction.

National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC)

Our National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC), part of our Critical Incident Response Group (CIRG) near Quantico, Virginia, provides free assistance—in the form of investigative/operational support, research, and training—to federal, state, local, and international law enforcement agencies.

In particular, the NCAVC has a rapid response element that:

Applies the most current expertise available in matters involving missing and exploited children;
Provides immediate operational assistance to federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies involved in violent crime investigations; and
Provides onsite investigative support through technical and forensic resource coordination.
Upon being notified that a child has been abducted, our field offices and the NCAVC coordinate an immediate response to the abduction situation. The National Child Search Assistance Act of 1990 states that law enforcement agencies may not observe a waiting period before accepting a missing child report and that each missing child that is reported to law enforcement must be entered immediately into the state law enforcement system and National Crime Information Center (NCIC).

Our special agents join local law enforcement in coordinating and conducting comprehensive investigations. Our Evidence Response Team personnel may conduct the forensic investigation of the abduction site, while a Rapid Start Team may immediately be deployed to coordinate and track investigative leads, which often number in the thousands.

Members of NCAVC also teach and give presentations at training courses for CAC Coordinators. In addition, more than 150 FBI agents nationwide are designated as NCAVC Coordinators and provide a necessary and effective link between the NCAVC, our local field offices, and local law enforcement.

The Morgan P. Hardiman Child Abduction and Serial Murder Investigative Resources Center (CASMIRC) was also established through legislation in 1998 under the NCAVC. According to the legislation, CASMIRC is "to provide investigative support through the coordination and provision of federal law enforcement resources, training, and application of other multidisciplinary expertise to assist federal, state, and local authorities in matters involving child abductions, mysterious disappearances of children, child homicide, and serial murder across the country."

Public Outreach

Many FBI employees are parents, too, and we want nothing more than to keep your children safe. To that end, we make a concerted effort to help prevent child abductions in the first place through public outreach and education.

For example, we’ve created a brochure for parents entitled A Parent’s Guide to Internet Safety to inform parents about the dangers of Internet-related abductions. Also see our Be Crime Smart webpage for more tips and guidance.

For more information about current kidnapping, child abduction, and missing person cases that we are investigating, visit the Kidnapping and Missing Persons webpage.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/crimesmain.htm

What We Investigate

Major Thefts/Violent Crime

• Art Theft
• Bank Robbery
• Cargo Theft
• Crimes Against Children
• Cruise Ship Crime
• Indian Country Crime
• Jewelry and Gems Theft
• Retail Theft
• Vehicle Theft
• Violent Gangs

 

[Pensfan]

Why have there not been any reporters standing outside this family's home giving their updates? This always happens in other recent child abduction cases. (Perhaps others have seen reports outside of the Horman's home, but I have not.)